LE in calgary?

[cutesexymya]

I just got a call from some guy by the name of John, go figure! Saying that he got my number form sexcia. My number IS NOT on sexcia and i do make initail contact through email......

Here they come again ladies, he called from a blocked number......

 

[SG4EVAH]

You might want to consider not answering blocked calls, I know I don't Sorry guys, thats just the way business works on my end!

 

[gravitas]

I hate to say I told you so......

Calgary LE and bylaw are about due for a crackdown on indy SP's, in particular those who offer incall, so it wouldn't surprise me that some of the ladies are going to get busted. Makes me happy that I live in a city where the cops have eliminated all the violent crimes like murder, assault, rape, etc. and there's no more robberies or DWI's and can focus so much effort on a legal activity that takes place in private between consenting adults! Well done boys, have another donut.

 

[cutesexymya]

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Just a thought? How many missing women are there in Calgary? i heard last year, more than 30?...... Really do they not have something better to do? I took a drive dt last night, that was really attractive, really!

Yet here they are....... I wonder how much money they would make if they decriminlized or legalized prostitution? How many homeless people could have homes or drug treatment with those exrta tax dollars?

Would that money help some single mom pay for daycare so she can work and leave her abusive husband?

sorry for ranting but really! The laws really need to reflect the times, the economy, and well take a drive down center one night!

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

Does this mean bylaw could fine independent escorts $1000 if they don't have a licence?
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/2006/09/20/1871204.html

...increased fine structure that will see offenders pay $1,000 instead of $100...

...if they decriminlized or legalized prostitution?..

...but Art Hanger isn't interested in listening to your "slanted" and "skewed" views.
http://arthanger.ca/newsarchive/na20060307torontosun.htm

 

[Bartdude]

CPS needs some high-profile stuff to back its demand for more officers (a legitimate demand, IMO), so no surprise they are starting this again. MP's, particulary ones that are largely Asian, will be next, along with more street stings on the SW strolls.

 

[CalgaryJenn]

Yeah pretty much they will fine you $1000 for being unlicensed and working as an "escort". Much to my run in with them (by-law) this past June as I had the word "escort" in my name, have since taken it out, call it for what it really is "prostitution" as we all know prostitution IS 100% LEGAL in Canada under Section 213 of the Canadian Criminal Code. I have no control of a site or an owner to an escort site calling it an escort site, I just in no way associate myself as an escort, I like many of my many unlicensed lady friends in Calgary, we are prostitutes. If I were an "escort" I would have to be licensed, which I am NOT.
As a prostitute, as long as I don't discuss anythng in a "public place" I am NOT doing anything illegal. The girls on 3rd, discuss matters in your car, which makes it illegal.

I hope this helps some of the girls in one way or the other

 

[SG4EVAH]

Yeah pretty much they will fine you $1000 for being unlicensed and working as an "escort". Much to my run in with them (by-law) this past June as I had the word "escort" in my name, have since taken it out, call it for what it really is "prostitution" as we all know prostitution IS 100% LEGAL in Canada under Section 213 of the Canadian Criminal Code. I have no control of a site or an owner to an escort site calling it an escort site, I just in no way associate myself as an escort, I like many of my many unlicensed lady friends in Calgary, we are prostitutes. If I were an "escort" I would have to be licensed, which I am NOT.
As a prostitute, as long as I don't discuss anythng in a "public place" I am NOT doing anything illegal. The girls on 3rd, discuss matters in your car, which makes it illegal.

I hope this helps some of the girls in one way or the other

That would be good if you could post more info on that

 

[hornyitalian06]

I believe the justice should leave the independent escorts alone . When the government gets involved with anything they make it full of red tape and costly to the consumer

 

[gordfurb]

Where are to good cops

I have needed the police a few diffrent times,they act like it is a burden to do their jobs,or like they are so busy....yet they find time to pick on these girls,,.I guess they have to feel like they are doing their job.On friday i watched 3 police cars speed through traffic (and lights),with there lights flashing.I followed them as best as i could ,and found all three of there cars parked at a tim hortons,(just doin their job i guess).......

 

[CalgaryJenn]

Considering that most community care projects are more concerned with getting the girls off of their block, I see no reason why they feel a need to police indies and try to cause shit. The whole reason for 90% of the programs out there is to eliminate street prostitution because communities don't want it on their doorstep. It looks bad for the community, so they bitch and moan.

From the Calgary Police Services Site:
Prostitution targeted by police and communities
Prostitution not only affects those buying and selling sex, but also those communities where the transactions take place. Increased traffic, road congestion, discarded needles and condoms, public sex, and a negative impact on community activities, businesses and property values are all spin-offs of the sex trade.

The Vice Unit works closely with community-based organizations to address residents' concerns and the underlying issues that can lead to a life of prostitution. For example, childhood sexual abuse and drug addictions are two factors shared by many sex trade workers walking the streets of Calgary.

Community associations, street-level support agencies, CAAPI, the Alberta Crown Prosecutor's Office, Calgary Probation and Community Corrections, and The City of Calgary Licence Division are all partners with the Vice Unit in developing a long-term innovative and strategic prostitution enforcement approach to address crime and safety concerns.

The Vice Unit actively targets pimps, sex trade offenders (commonly referred to as johns) and sex trade workers (commonly referred to as prostitutes). More than half of the prostitution-related charges laid by the unit are against sex trade offenders. Enforcement initiatives are directly aimed at addressing the harms that sex trade activity brings to Calgary communities.
All businesses employing and individuals working as escorts, exotic entertainers or massage practitioners must be licensed by The City of Calgary Licence Division. The Vice Unit works with the city to ensure the licensing criteria are enforced. Detectives also monitor these businesses for illegal prostitution-related activity and conduct investigations when such activity is suspected or identified.

Ironically, there is nothing illegal about prostitution in a private environment.

I personally think governments PURPOSELY leave grey areas in the laws so that its harder for people to understand and leave open doors for bullshit arrests. The wordings and the laws are always presented to the public in a vague manner. You would almost have to be a lawyer to understand the laws. I had one incident where LE tried to arrest me. I listened to the officers involved radio back and forth downtown asking questions. They then discovered that an arrest could not be made, as I discussed matters on the telephone, and not in a public place. I heard the officer downtown say, "You can not arrest her if she discussed it on the phone, she has to solicit you in a public place." If arresting officers have a hard time figuring the laws out, how is the average person supposed to figure them out the way they are written and presented to the public?

If LE doesn't get you, bylaw sure will try. I have to make an appearance in court because bylaw wants to charge me. One of the charges is: Operating an escort agency without a license. Hey, never on any thread or website have I ever said I was an Escort AGENCY... Cool trumped up charge that is huh? Escort? Noooooooo.... Whore? Yeahhhh.

I recently read a court transcript where the judge said that law enforcement and the courts know full well what goes on in an MP and Escort business, and they must follow the laws. Ok, lets say they do. Does that mean that if I was to become an escort, and pay the City Of Calgary for a business license, that they are living off the avails of prostitution? I'd think so. After all... They know I fuck 'n' suck right? Right! And now they want me to pay them for the right to do so. In the eyes of anybody other than the law, it's living on the avails of a prostitute.

No matter how you slice it, Canadian laws aren't there for the girls or the pooners, they are there for the cops. Making it legal would mean that a lot of girls could be put into a safer environment, as opposed to ending up in an alley. Government doesn't see it that way. Canada will go into shock if lawmakers ever made it legal. The big problem is that the tax man is worried because they haven't created a meter that gauges how many times a girls legs hit the air. How will they know how much they need to collect in taxes?

Should you, as a pooner or an SP ever feel that your being harassed, or treated inappropriately, contact the Chief Of Police in your municipality. 9 out of 10 times, he / she will back the officer(s). However, it's the first step. The next step is to contact the Canadian Association Of Police Boards at this address: http://www.capb.ca They have standards they have to live up to. The Canadian Police Association looks into things a lot more fairly and in depth. Don't ask me how I know.... LOL Long story.

 

[cutesexymya]

we need resources, as we have rights too!

I am an adult companion, I do only charge my clients by my time and anything that I choose to do is of my own free will and by the consent of two adults.

In the late 80's and the early 90's, one of clagarys most profitable business was in the sex industry.....

I have had conversations in the past will popular community members that are in the media frequently, and i can empathize with him. I used to live only a few doors down from him when i first came to calgary and yeah, that community is going to shit, I have lived it!!! But really, in the bigger picture, there really are only a few bad apples that need to be weeded out, and really, why is it not the crack dealers? If there is no supply, no one can commit a slow suicide!

There are very few agencies in the city that address issues that sex trade workers have, and the few that are out there have over worked staff as they have very large client lists of women and men that utillize their services. Funding for such programs is cut on a regular basis because the white collar world we exist in does not see the issues that are real and that need to be addressed. I personally know of an agency providing such support, and unfortuatlly because of red tape is unable to use media to educate the public and find contributors to her cause... a gag order i belive it is called.



I think that there needs to be more resorces for people in the industry SP's and for pooners.... Because at this point, there is few to none. That would be a really great start to cleaning up communities, and addressing everyones issues, from community members, to sps to pooners to the police! And in the long run, i firmly belive this would be a more cost effecive way to address issues and provide long term solutions for everyone. I know of one girl last year that was short on funds and going to university after leaving the industry, and so she decide to take a few bookings. She did incalls, and got busted. She lost her home, everything in it. Her kids and her pets..... All she was doing was tring to provide a christmas for her family. SAD!!!!!!


I love my job!! I have the greatest career in the world!!!!!! And u know, it is hard work sometimes! Late nites, early mornings.... I dont know a single person in my life that has such a crazy schedule!! I would be more than happy to claim taxes everytime i played! for sure! Just let me know how much!!!! I pay taxes to go to the movies do i not?


I can understand how some of these women on the street turn to drugs to ease their pain for sure! They get harassed by their community, the police, the media, basically everyone that they come into contact with. And I can very well imagine that would take a toll on ones spirit relitively quickly.

Some women in our great city work under awful conditions and take unnessary risks in order to just get by, it should not be like that. I belive that SP should have the basic right to have a safe working enviorment, if she creates for herself, or there is a legislation that is brought in to assist with this. How many sex trade workers are there? If I was a steel worker working in some of the situations i have seen women in (n they have small children at home), there would be a national uproar! And changes would be made immediatly... u would think that this being the oldest proffesion, there would be standards and guidelines to follow. Why because it is considered immoral. Most of our laws in Canada are based on a christain way, i am not christain so do i not have the right to my freedom of religon and my freedom of personal expression? So, I express myself through sex!!!!!

Sorry bout my rambling, this is just an issue that makes me totally frustrated! And i am sure, the LE and bylaw, are breaking a womans contitutional rights every time she feels threated by them, or is arrested for trying to provide a better life for herself and for her family!!!!

 

[cutesexymya]

Marc Halat, the city’s chief licence inspector, said bringing the fees in line with other businesses is fair and an increased fine structure for violators should keep them on the up and up.

He said while escort agencies are often linked to prostitution, if the business is run legally, it should be treated like any other.

He said the design of this process is to stop illegal activities

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/...0/1871204.html

Communicating and soliciciting in a public place is illegal, as is running a common bawdy house... PROSTITUTION IS NOT ILLEGAL! Too bad the city does not seem to get this! and if more licenses are issued, would that not bring the rate of street level prostitution down, and provide safer working enviroments? Get with it city hall, I think that maybe u maybe creating a hidden monster if they continue to push the industry underground further...

justmy thoughts!

 

[Annalise Lane]

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/...0/1871204.html

Communicating and soliciciting in a public place is illegal, as is running a common bawdy house... PROSTITUTION IS NOT ILLEGAL! Too bad the city does not seem to get this! and if more licenses are issued, would that not bring the rate of street level prostitution down, and provide safer working enviroments? Get with it city hall, I think that maybe u maybe creating a hidden monster if they continue to push the industry underground further...

justmy thoughts!

Didn't Calgary just reduce licencing to a bill and change ??

Jenn, Yes the city becomes our pimp when we get licenced, but it saves the problems of bylaw coming after us. Edmonton is the pimp for hundreds of girls both in the mp and sp world. But they also protect us from the naughty boys who try to hurt us.

The only problem with getting licenced when ladies are accustom to working out of an incall is that bylaw can still fine you. Incall is considered a common bawdy house or a house of ill repute, weather one gal or more use the space for the intentions of prostitution. And I believe with the Canadian laws as they are, would fall under federal jurisdiction because our laws are federal not provical. Bylaw only enforces the cities laws, but the police enforce federal.

I'm a huge fan of licencing there are so many beneifts, like - being able to advertise in the Sun Newpaper, the Yellowpages.

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

...Too bad the city does not seem to get this!..

Oh, they know the laws all right. The city officials know independent SPs doing only outcalls aren't violating the Criminal Code. The cities are not really trying to stop it, as they dishonestly tell the media. They are just trying to make as much money from it as they can with licensing and fines.

I'm amazed at how the media fails to question the statements from people like Marc Halat who defend this dishonest set up while trying to falsely pretend they're not licensing the sex trade.

The problem is the ignorance of the general public, who hear terms like 'sex trade' or 'prostitution' and immediately think only of street prostitution. If they knew that most of the sex trade is off-street and is already knowingly tolerated and often tacitly licensed, they would realize the Criminal Code laws are outdated, and should be reformed to allow it to operate more safely and legally, as similar countries such as New Zealand and Australia have already done.

 

[calvinxxx]

Calgary has reduced the escort agency fee to an immaterial amount but then I think it may open up the door to no incalls and violation of the bylaw for something like that

 

[westwoody]

What happened to Calgary? In the seventies to mid-eighties it was a free for all, now it's turned into the anal-retentiveness capital of Canada. It's just Toronto with more hills and an even snottier attitude.

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

What happened was a licensed escort agency operator was charged with living on the avails of prostitution, after someone from a competing agency complained to police. He was acquitted on most of the charges after his lawyer (a former RCMP officer) argued the guy assumed he was operating completely within the law because the city had given him a licence.

So now the city just makes the licensees sign a waiver saying the licence does not allow them to violate the Criminal Code. The city reducing the licensing fee is just part of the legal moves to cover their ass by doing a better job of pretending they're not licensing prostitution businesses (which is of course what they really are doing in practice).

If they reduce the licensing fee from $3600 down to only $114, they may try to replace the money they're no longer getting from licences with more $1000 fines, which would explain why the bylaw enforcers may now be looking for unlicensed escorts to fine.

 

[CalgaryJenn]

That would be good if you could post more info on that

SG all the legal info on Section 213 and other such related incidences are located in my webpage too help pooners and working "prostitutes" throughout Canada know what their rights are. Hopefully it helps you all out.