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Ghetto Child

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What does everyone feel about the suggestion of a Zero Tolerance policy on Personal attacks. Not to dictate policy for PERB. The MOD's are the only ones who have the right to police the site when we cannot police ourselves.

After being banned for a week I have had time to think. In my anger last week I threw out any caution and went on a poorly thought out mission to give others a taste of their own medicine. That was not productive in any way. I apoligize to the SP's for having to wade through any of the stupidity that showed up in those threads on my part. I cannot apolgize for others.

Reading hundreds of threads on PERB for the last few years, anytime personal attacks started between people, any good info that could have been gained from that thread was lost or muddied up in personal wars. For the most part the same select groups in the cities seem to go on these personal rampages.

Alberta massage Reviews had a zero Tolerance policy on personal attacks. That is why I choose to post there before I posted here.

Personal attacks kill the quality of the site, they add no new info, and they make people afraid to post ideas if they are going to be personally trashed. New people who may have some useful info do not post on the chance they may get stomped on.

Sp's stay away when they read threads that get nasty. I cannot even imagine how much useful info is lost to petty attacks.

Personal attacks on SP's or members do nothing to help the site. Grey-area personal attacks seem to be good to go but they deserve equal treatment in my opinion since they are just as vindictive.

Attacking an opinion not the person, defending your idea or saying why you disagree is great since debate is a good way to find out new ideas.

Personal attacks do nothing but make it a hostile environment where no new ideas are free to get out.

So what do you all think. Is a zero tolerance policy on personal attacks a good suggestion or not? Does anyone really think personal attacks are necessary or do you agree with me and see them as anti-productive?

Nuff said...
 

Ghetto Child

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Steve Ray said:
Maybe the problem lies with the person who are attacked by the majority of Perberts and not with the system.
I have seen plenty of senseless personal attacks on the site that were not provoked by the person. I threw some gasoline on the fire in my case so I will exclude myself.

Not all Perberts are to blame either.

There has been plenty of attacks on others that add no value with no reason. Why they just cannot disagree with the idea. Personal attacks add no value in any thread. I like to see an example of any personal attacks that actually add value, make things clearer. or contribute anything useful. There are none that I know of.

Politics use personal attacks to avoid the real issues. They get us off track on the real issues and into endless petty arguments. Ask George Bush or Stephen Harper a question they are not comfortable with and watch them use personal attacks to put us off track.

There is no place where personal attacks ever add any value.
 

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This is virtual and not real

There are no personal attacks when each member is virtual. The exceptions are the sp's who are known to many.

Free speech applies to all of us or none of us even if we're assholes.

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mexman

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This is the message we have been sending you

bubbles112 said:
dunno bout zero tolerance on personal attacks but i think people just have to learn to get along ... altho i do find your threads somewhat annoying ... dont seem to contribute (not you i mean the thread) much to the forum and obviously people disagree thats why they fire back ... again this is not a personal attack as the people who know me know thats just not in my character but why dont you go see a hot ass chick and do a review and contribute that way ... between this post and your dont PM SPs thread ... you make it seem like you are some kind of expert which can rub people the wrong way .. just my opinion ... and if people think your threads are helpful in anyway i apologize .. again just my opinion .. cheers man
This is exactly why, Bubbles is 100% right. I see nowhere was it anyone elses fault you got a vacation. The only thing you didn't do was name the names. You have said you are new here, now you say you've been here a couple of years, your average post rate is way up on the scale for someone who has been lurking for 2 yrs and all of a sudden has something to add.
What will get negative attention is when members see a BS factor over the top. Members also consider the value of the topic as well.
As far as AM Reviews goes, nobody posted regularly on that site, that place was deadsville. One of the only ones that ever did was Alphabetaman, who has very similar writing skills and topics as you have. He was banned permanantly for the same reasons you just got a week for.
You need to have a look at all of the posts you have done, maybe then you will figure out what got things going.
I for one won't be responding to these type of "o poor me" threads. I will just continue on with taking a few Motrin every couple of hours to get rid of the neck pain I get from shaking my head at your posts.
 

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So whatta ya think we should do?

Should we hang the guy???

Take a pill Mex and as John Lennon said, "give peace a chance"!!!
 

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mexman said:
I will just continue on with taking a few Motrin every couple of hours to get rid of the neck pain I get from shaking my head at your posts.
I hear massage is good for 'repetitive motion' types of headaches too. I'm sure the ladies would agree :)
 

Ghetto Child

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How do the SP's feel, this topic is serious

Ghetto Child said:
I have seen plenty of senseless personal attacks on the site that were not provoked by the person. I threw some gasoline on the fire in my case so I will exclude myself.
Sad to have to quote myself. Buts as I said that I know I tried to make war so I am not looking for anything for me. This is a general look at threads in Edmonton and other cities.

Plenty of threads over years that are so washed down in personal attacks that they become unreadable.

I was here two years ago and I left to join am-reviews last year. I came back recently so that makes me new to some degree. When I was first here first I only casually posted every couple of months. I never showed up on the map that often. At no point did I ever claim to be brand new to PERB.

Now back to the point that is about the personal attacks in general are adding no value to the site at all.

The review on some girls at sinderellas where they make fun of their skin conditions and making fun of a girls for being overweight at another studio. Another thread makes fun of an SP for her hair down there. What value does any of this add?

Another thread picks on a new guy for being too stupid to even visit an SP when he does not know what the GFE abbreviation means. Another new poster is picked on for having no use for his penis for being afraid to go in for his first session.

Where do these personal attacks add value to the content on the site? That is my issue. They scare off new posters and they make SP's not want to participate on the site.

Lauren rarely visits PERB now for reasons I promised not to mention. I know plenty of SP's who have read the site and will not give it the time of day because they are afraid of personal attacks that will ruin there business. Saying the word PERB to some girls in a session is the equivalent of swearing at them. Why is that? it really should not be that way. Can you blame them.

I have guys justify this by saying what a good review can do for a girl but most SP's I talk to would rather not be on the site at all. Why is that the case? Personal attacks.

The SP's have info of value and really do add a lot of great info on the site. But if they feel threatened how long will they want to participate?

My question to SP's is have you been personally attacked on the site and how do you feel about it?

let's hear from the girls. Maybe the guys who seem to see more humor in for this topic will learn something if some of the SP's reply and say how these personal attacks made them feel.
 

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And.....

At the same time careers have soared because of reviews on perb. Many many many many girls have had business go thu the roof because of perb. And a handful or two have had it go thru the floor! Some people will be pissed off when they read that this guy said my titties are a 36b when they are indeed a 34c. And they just paid 5k so you would notice.
 

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If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all...If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all...If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all...If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all...If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all...If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all...If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all..........................................

..........ok... I'll take my own advice now. ;)
 

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Paige wants to be on the No Review List flip flop

Originally posted by stryker
Originally Posted by paigeadams
Surprise surprise... I agree with you 100% (about attacking SPs)
Surprise,surprise,surprise(add the southern accent)Yes Paige,we know,and knew you would agree because YOU are on the NO REVIEW LIST

Paige Adams recruited Panda (the dominatrix on the TV show KINK) to be an
assassin to wreck another SP's business.

Here is Panda's two posts, unedited, exposing the situation. Some concerned citizens kept copies. They probably even kept copies of your response, and
Saraphina's response.

Paige Adams will always be remembered for trying to recruit multiple cliques into your personal vendettas.

The Perb mods will say, Paige Adams you got yourself into this cry-wolf stalker manipulative vendetta, Paige Adams you can't flip flop now; Paige Adams get yourself out of it.

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Originally posted by Panda
Time For The Truth To Come Out
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Panda Posted: Sep 14 2004, 10:26 AM

Newbie

OK, Here it goes. All out on the table.

I'm well known for my honesty....and the fact that truth means more to me
than popularity.

Well, I was approached some time ago by some vancouver SP's....they asked me to assist them in "cleaning up" the Vancouver scene. To use my pull and
popularity to get rid of a "nasty bitch". They stated this SP was a stalker,
a liar.....she manipulated girls....used their id's.....sent out nasty
fliers....I mean...way overboard stuff. These girls befriended me, took me
in with open arms, did so many nice things....I thought, wow. Better help
them, right? but...hmmmm....Panda doesn't act without all the facts.....so
it was time for a little research. Play along while I fnd the facts.

So, I researched.....I mean, being called in as a professional "assassin" to
ruin this girl's buissness is something I take seriously. Well, after much
research...many questions and being on the inside of this plot....I now have
all the facts....I know more about this than anyone else.

I promised to "take out the trash".....and, I will hold to my promise. The
only thing is.....It's not a catty bitch.......It's catty bitches. So, last
night....I called this "nasty bitch stalker" and said....Quite clearly....

ALEX, Pandora's got your back.

Coco, Paige...I've never seen such catty bullshit and destructive obsession
in my life. You tried to use and manipulate me to destroy Alex......That's
not the move of a friend. Watch your back, girls. You called in a "pro" to
take out the trash...Well, I hope you're both bagged and ready.....because I
intend to keep my word.

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Panda Posted: Sep 15 2004, 06:08 PM

Newbie


Firstly, the colonel was correct. My post was directed directly to the
persons named and to publicly declare my support of Alex.

This is not about something that was going on, but something that even now
continues. The last time I was asked to make posts and take part in hurting
Alex by Paige was only recently...during coco's winnipeg tour.

Coco's part in this was as more of a 'lackey", she agreed with everything
Paige said, did indeed take part in planning things to do to Alex and indeed
stated she believed Alex was the stalker throughout my vancouver tour. I
stayed with Paige during my tour and coco was there for that same time.
Coco, I think, was simply "going along". She's a good person who got caught
up in it. But, she was there and certainly involved and I would hope she'll
admit it.

Who all was involved? Well, in order....

Victoria-Lee
Sushiman
Paige Adams
WC Drifter
Saraphina
Coco
Myself
Mikey's Here

I was first approached by Victoria Lee before she left. Well, actually,
Sushiman contacted me for her and I then called her. That was where this
whole thing began, as we know. But, it didn't end with all that, it just
became more pivate. Before she left, V-L vowed to get Alex....whom she
believed was this "stalker" Paige was involved from the beginning, as was
V-L, sushiman and I. After V-L left, Paige took the lead in proving that
Alex was the stalker. But, in doing so, she became the only real stalker.
Hiring a PI to follow Alex for 3 days. I was aware as they planned to do
this before I arrived on my Vancouver tour. The people who were aware or
involved in discussing and planning this were Saraphina, Paige, Coco,
myself. I do not know who did the actual hiring, but I was informed that
Paige had good evidence now, it had been done and she had contacted the
police. When I was staying with her in Vancouver, she showed me a police
card, stating she was having things traced to try to find more proof it was
Alex. (ie: emails, etc).

WC Drifters only involvement was as a lover to Paige and therefore,
supporter. Agreeing with her and assisting her in trying to convince me of
Alex's guilt.

Saraphina, I only saw involved online. And only, before my tour. She was one
of many sending me url's to posts against these three girls made by "Alex",
they claimed. I publicly showed support for them in these forums, Big Doggie
for instance. You can confirm it yourself. I assume she too figured out it
was bull as I did not see any further involvement from her after that point.
But, she too, was aware.

Sushiman, was also talking to Alex, informing her of things. As I see it,
playing both sides. He however, when I confronted him, did indeed give
evidence by dates of online attacks and Alex's tours, that she (in his
opinion) could not be responsible.

Paige asked me during my Vancouver tour to make dinner plans with Alex. To
gather information, see what she knew. I indeed did have dinner with Alex.
She , to my surprise, asked nothing of Coco, Paige, Saraphina or anyone
else. Things were becoming clear. I enjoyed my evening with her and decided
to look further into things.

When I returned from dinner however...I was questioned in detail. Had she
brought a laptop? Because a post had been put up by the "stalker". Had she
left long enough to use a computer? Things were becoming clearer to me.

Here's Mikey, on my Edmonton tour, mentioned he had been aware of a great
deal of this too, having been approached about it. We shared information.
After matching dates to posts to tour dates, things we were told by who and
when.

Fact is, Alex is not the stalker. She may have been vindicated, but she is
still being harassed and pursued. Only 2 weeks ago, I was asked by Paige to
start a thread on PERB aimed at driving Alex off the boards and out of
Vancouver. "We have to get her", being a direct quote. And Coco, you were
right beside me, in my room, beside my bed. You see, Paige isn't happy with
just proving Alex is the stalker. She wants to drive her straight out of
town. That has been Paige's aim since before my Vancouver tour.

And yes, as I am not online right now (using a friends PC), I am contacting
Here's Mikey , who will be able in my place to post some tangible links and
evidence with dates.

No, I don't claim innocence whatsoever in this, I was aware and I kept
silent and in doing so, am guilty. Which is why I myself, told Alex
everything. Which is why I myself exposed us all. Because even a small part
is still part. This could not have continued without the silence of those
aware.

The least I can do is try to make things right. Never should an SP take part
in hurting another by any means.

Is there really a stalker? I do not know. All I know is of Alex's situation.
This I do know.

Paige claims to have been evicted due to flyers sent out in her building.
Yet, I was recently offered to share that apartment as an incall location
until the end of september. Now, look back on perb to when she posted about the flyers. Check the dates. Longest eviction I've ever seen. Maybe , there is a stalker, maybe not. What I am addressing is the actions and plotting and discussions that have made Alex's life a living hell for quite some time now. The actions of SP's, fellow girls against her. It's wrong.

I've left the escort buissness, I'm retired. So, you bash me all you like if
you choose, won't matter to me and for my part, I deserve it. After all,
this is just another board, like perb. I'm heading back to my real life.
But, I couldn't leave without making things right. Alex is a good person,
she's not the stalker. Paige, you're wrong. Stop now. Alex, I should have
come to you sooner, for that , I am sorry. I hope that for the part I
played, I have somehow made life just a little better for you. (huge hugs) I
hope others will come clean with their parts and knowledge of this matter
too and finally give you the peace you deserve.

And I have nothing to gain here, people. In fact, I am only losing. Paige,
Coco, Saraphina, Sushi....these people were my friends. And...I am losing
them by exposing them. And gain? I am gaining only the peace that comes from doing whats right. That's enough for me.
 

Ghetto Child

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Thank You

WhomI said:
Here's my two cents worth: Ghetto Child - your mother dresses you funny!
What does that accomplish. My parents are both dead. But thank you for a great example of why personal attacks add no value to the site.

Again, what value do personal attacks add to the site besides the old over used freedom of speech concept. People forget that with rights come responsibility. Rights do not exist without responsibility. That is why Larry Flynt is not a hero. He forgot that the other half of what makes freedom is Respect for the rights of others.

Nuff said...
 
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Are you trying to win the National Enquirer of the year award?

Frogkiss, you're just recycling the same shit we've seen in here before. How original!

That doesn't even rate you being an Ambulance chaser.

Grow up and get a life... :rolleyes:
 
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