I hate to say it but...

[Maury Beniowski]

Someday, sometime, this type of board will experience an unspeakable tragic occurrence, and so we must become and remain vigilant. The greatest irony of this board is that men here have a distinct advantage that SPs lack, and that is scary. Men here are anonymous, while SPs are out in the open. Believing that men can be traced with an IP address is a false comfort at best; men can sign in from any location. Quite frankly, if I was an SP, I would stay away from here - even if it would make the conversations less exciting for the rest of us. I really don't think SPs get that much business from these boards, at least not enough to cover the tremendous risks they face. MPs are still the most secure place to conduct business from - relatively speaking anyway. Even there, weirdos still haunt them at times, but they at least, they have the security of numbers to protect them.

I voice this as a grim reminder of a grave concern...

 

[WiYd]

Gosh maury, maybe we should close these kinds of boards down.

While we are at it, perhaps every parent should keep their kids locked up 24 hours a day to protect them from pedophiles

.. maybe we should should down every fast food outlet as someone could get addicted to fast food

Get a life Maury.. BTW.. Why are you here?

 

[hitrack]

.. maybe we should should down every fast food outlet as someone could get addicted to fast food

OMFG!!!! Bite your tongue man!!

I always dreamed the perfect mothers breasts would have McDonalds Orange Pop in one and x-tra McChicken sauce in the other.

 

[Ophelia Black]

I don't like boards for the very reasons you mention, but they are necessary to conduct business for both SPs and pooners until something better comes along.

And there is another huge factor - we are very isolated in this business, and sometimes we really need to be with people who know what the hell is up.

I trust my gut more than anybody else's - and nobody else is going to do my screening for me better than I can. I also got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more problems advertising in newspapers.

The single most important thing for our safety on these boards is Mods, Mods, Mods. They need to understand the risk, take it very seriously, and move quickly to nail people who exploit these boards as hunting grounds.

 

[skyboy]

i think the boards are a great resource for both SP and Perbert. There are times where the advantages of the board is used in a manner that lacks consideration and respect for both sp and perbert. It's those instances we could do without but I'm the first person to support the board and it's benefit to it's members.

I never see an sp without checking on "perb" first. When used with respect for others, the board is a vital bridge between sp's and perberts.

Just my 0.02 again =)

 

[Massagegirl]

Thanks for your concern Maury.

I have to agree with Maury, this is a risk we take on posting here. Bad people can post or lurk here looking for their next victim. That is why when I signed on I did it under a pseudo-name, laid low and only put my homepage on my profile when I felt safe enough to do so.

Nothing untoward has ever happened to me but I am of the opinion that men who target women, children and homosexuals are the biggest cowards in society. Being such limp dicked cowards and so obviously wrong, I would fight back tooth and nail! I have limited self defence training and a few tricks up my sleeve, but I should sign up for more since I'm flappin my lips on here.

While I'm at it...WiYd what are you on? A helpful hint -sarcasm is only cool if it's funny. Maury is here to post with other adults and is kindly warning us ladies of the dangers we face on posting here, please don't discourage him by coming up with silly pointless comparisons. Thanks.

 

[Maury Beniowski]

Forewarned is forearmed!

I think this thread is useful. It is written to promote prudence and awareness. It is not meant to sanction censorship, but to foster a linking of our minds to guard against creeps of the sort that has reared its ugly head today. The more aware and the more informed we are, the better armed we shall be deal with them.

I have pm'd WiYd about his indiscretion, and trust he probably just acted reflexively, and not in a mean-spirited manner.

 

[rickoshadows]

Predators have been preying on SPs long before the internet. If anything, the internet and media in general has made everyone more aware that this is going on. Until prostitution is recognized as a legal business who's empoyees/practioners are entitled to the same protection before the law as everyone else, this sad state will continue.

rickoshadows

 

[BS Detector]

.. maybe we should should down every fast food outlet as someone could get addicted to fast food

I'd starve if we did that! OMG...What would I eat???

I think safety is a concern whether a lady posts here or not. A whacko can show up just as easily after getting a name from here as he can from the paper. The ladies should always be prepared for the worst and hope for the best. Even the ladies that have talked to me. I would hope that they wold still take precautions until they REALLY got to know me and probably even then as the con artists know how to win ones trust and then strike. They are not ALWAYS the drunken, dirty and smelly ones. I would NEVER be offended if a lady took precautions regardless as to how well she knew me. If she let;s her guard down with me, she might with another and eventually it could be with the wrong one.

 

[seattleknights]

There are risks to everyone involved here. There always have been and always will be. Fear and lack of knowledge has kept me from participating in the hobby. This and other boards is changing that.

I think the board can and does help enhance safety and dealing with fear. I base this on a few things. SP's can share information with each other. Hobbyist can find sp's that are closer to their expectations therefore less hositlity due to dissappointment. When a problem does occur, there is a community to help, with people from all backgrounds and skill groups. Does the girl who advertises in the paper or walks the corner have instant access to lawyers, computer techies and all the other trades out there. We have seen today VL doesnt have to live in fear alone. There are people to help. This board has shown that. Other girls dont have these resources.

Stalking is widespread. School teachers are stalked, housewives are stalked, bartenders are stalked not just girls in this line of work. I think all people have to assess the risk for themselves. It saddens me that this is happening but there are bad people out there but there are also a lot of good, caring wonderful people too. I myself like the way the board humanizies these wonderful women. Makes a difference on who I will see when I get my passport renewed and travel north.

 

[Massagegirl]

Good points seattleknights.

The last part about all types of people getting stalked reminds me of a girl I met in University who would "follow" a guy she was interested in to see if he had a girlfriend. Then, if not, she would arrange to meet him by a chance encounter, like by bumping into him and dropping her books.

I thought it weird at the time and didn't pursue a friendship (obviously), but I wouldn't have called it stalking then because of her gender. Nowadays I would.

 

[Mark Service]

Someday, sometime, this type of board will experience an unspeakable tragic occurrence, and so we must become and remain vigilant.
I voice this as a grim reminder of a grave concern...

Hmmm..You should try harder to see things in perspective. What is the difference between posting your link or phone number here and posting it in your local paper ? IMO it's more risky to post an ad in your local paper as the majority of people who read it are non-hobbyist. At leat on this board any member who signs up can be traced by the authorities in the event he commits an offence against a provider. The vast majority of our members are hobbyist unlike your local paper where your mom, dad or brother can easily find your ad.
Cybercafes are required to have cameras you know !

 

[oppai]

Re: Re: I hate to say it but...

Hmmm..You should try harder to see things in perspective. What is the difference between posting your link or phone number here and posting it in your local paper ? IMO it's more risky to post an ad in your local paper as the majority of people who read it are non-hobbyist. At leat on this board any member who signs up can be traced by the authorities in the event he commits an offence against a provider. The vast majority of our members are hobbyist unlike your local paper where your mom, dad or brother can easily find your ad.
Cybercafes are required to have cameras you know !

I have to agree with this. I don't think this board makes being an SP any more risky than it already is. Any shmuck can go pick up any of the FREE newspapers around the city, find an SP in there and do whatever he would do. This board doesn't really make being an SP any more dangerous unless the SP let's it (by giving out too much personal information that could perhaps be used against them). I think if an SP is careful in what they do then the risk diminishes. Unfortunately I think it is the less fortunate SP's who are at more risk. Look at the Willy Pickton murders. All sreet walkers, I think the more the SP charges the more safe they are. The same goes for the more "expensive" advertising you do the safer you are. So far the itnernet would be the most expensive as you actually have to pay money in some way to check them out. Obviously street walkers are the most vulnerable as they will jump in anyones car. With an SP they have the safety of their own home and hopefully a safety network around them. I know of a few SP's who are in the higher charge market who rent out two apartments, one containing someone who will definitely do some serious ass kicking if you get out of line.

Anyways, I don't think this board puts SP's at more risk, UNLESS THEY ALLOW IT TO. If you have a good head on your shoulders you can protect yourself in the business. And, as most of the members on here would ike the SP's to stay safe I think we all kind of watch out for them as best we can.

Oppai, the concerned citizen who is always distracted by large guns.

 

[Ophelia Black]

Very well said, oppai!

The difference between clients I got from the GS/WE and those that found me through the net was astounding!

In general, I found the internet clients far more respectful, and to be folks with whom I would be far more likely have instant click with - it was such a marked difference that towards the end of my stint advertising in papers, I would not see guys who phoned me from those ads unless they went online, checked my site, and THEN got back to me if still interested!

Obviously not a very efficient use of my advertising dollar at that point

And you are very right - this is a business for smart girls. Reckless and careless will get you killed. You need to clearly know your safety goals, and make it your foremost priority that those goals are not only met, but easy to attain. Educate yourself in how to spot potential trouble, always listen to your gut, and get effective self defense training.

Our bodies are our living - we not only need to keep them looking good, but we need to also keep them strong and ready to keep us safe.

 

[oppai]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I hate to say it but...

I think the more the SP charges the more safe they are. The same goes for the more "expensive" advertising you do the safer you are.

I think this is just silly big gun lover. (-;


Some of the most offensive and dangerous people i've encountered are wealthy. Money has zero to do with mental health.

Julia, I think you misinterpretted what I said, or I didn't fully explain. The more YOU or an SP charges, the nicer place they can stay in, they can perhaps have an appt. with a video camera at the door (and before you say it, I know, not all crazy fuckers look crazy). You can also afford to have a bodyguard or something along those lines. So, money coming to YOU does have something to do with how well you can protect yourself. I think if an SP is not desperate for cash they will also make wiser choices.

 

[michel]

May I suggest a solution ?

SP who want to be safe and secure when prospecting new clients please use MSN or Yahoo Messanger!

Is between you and your prospect no one knows !

All my sp contacts are in my data base and they all know me so is mutually safe!

 

[oppai]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I hate to say it but...

oooooh okay that makes much more sense....I was looking at it from a hobbyiest perspective.....doh!

That's cool, Jule. I have a tendancy to not explain myself very well..I just assume people know what I'm talking about or where I'm coming from.