How Many of you Guys Negotiate

yogi

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Jonesy, I think it's ok to try to negotiate over the phone, thereby taking advantage of someone who could be needy at that point and time, but showing up and negotiating is not only cheap, it's manipulative and rude. I hope that's not what you do, but if so prepare to be unpolitely shown the door, or receive half assed service for your half assed payment.

Btw, people expect to negotiate when selling their car/boat/house so they usually start with a higher asking price, just so they can negotiate and end up close to their expectation.
I agree, it should be done over the phone. Making an appt. & showing up implies that you're accepted the terms. To renege at that point is dishonest.

Btw, that's often not the case for selling a house. Overprice it in some markets & you'll receive no offers at all. Price it right, & multiple competing offers come in, getting a price even sometimes better than expected.
 

David in Van

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Negotiation

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With a thread like this, you can't escape being called a cheap bastard.

Anyways, anybody who feels they should negotiate when it come to ass, should really reconsider the activity. After negotiating with an SP, you are for sure going to get a less than stellar performance from her, and with your board background you will in no doubt, write a poor review.

If you can't really afford it, move on to the rubber blow-up variety that will provide you with sexual entertainment that's pretty much paid for itself the first time you use it. What's even better, is that with the doll you'll never have any complaints about how your gut smothers her face when you climb aboard for a BJ. And cleanup is a breeze!
I negotiate for everything in my business, and after I negotiate, I expect good service (I make it clear with whom I am negotiated with that I want good service and tell them that their price has to include it).

At times I will meet somebody and have a great session. I will then tell them that their service and everything is great, but that I cannot afford their fee every week (my budget is about $20k per year, not $30-40k). About half the time I am given the cold shoulder (their right) and about the other half the time I get a reduced rate, sometimes almost half off. Sometimes, time flexibility on my part is expected.

In my business, which spends about $60 million per year on suppliers of various sorts, if an employee tells me that "they don't negotiate", I usually smack them on the side of the head.

The only supplier that has a valid business excuse not to negotiate is in one or more of the three situations:

1. They are physically incapable of increasing output. In that instance, their product essentially becomes an auction. I would imagine that "some" SPs might be in this situation.
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The incremental cost (materials, labour and directly variable overhead) is more than the asked for price. For a SP, materials (condoms, lube), labour ($0 if she is not busy, whatever her asking rate is if she is fully booked), and ctly variable overhead (electricity for the vibrator) are very little (unless she is fully booked). SPs that work in MPs may have a higher labour cost if they have to pay something to the house.
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Confidentiality. This is a real concern for a service provider. In business, most of my contracts have confidentiality clauses for this reason. The key here is gaining your business partner's trust so that you can both enter into an agreement where confidentiality is respected.

Bottom line, regardless of whether the supplier supplies bottles or BJs, their is lots of scope for negotiation. If the supplier will not negotiatiate, then find one that does. Of course, every business has its own "cultural style" and I have adapted mine accordingly.
 

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"At times I will meet somebody and have a great session. I will then tell them that their service and everything is great, but that I cannot afford their fee every week (my budget is about $20k per year, not $30-40k). About half the time I am given the cold shoulder (their right) and about the other half the time I get a reduced rate, sometimes almost half off. Sometimes, time flexibility on my part is expected."

At least you've had the common decency to see the SP with their full rate first. The manner Jonesy was writing this thread suggested otherwise, like just short of creating a coupon and presenting it upon arrival.

There is particularily nothing wrong with the way you do business and negotiating with an SP, it seems that the Sp would be happy to suggest a session that will be more affordable. The point of the matter is presentation, you saw the SP with her full rate, completed the session and then presented your financial limitiations and brought forward your proposal. i'd say that was class.
 
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Hey, look at me, I'm Kreskin!!!!! :D
Great, now make yourself disappear
 

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I do not negotiate. I am more concerned about getting what I paid for. I tend to stick with the providers who are reliable in providing value for the $. I have met lots who do not because I have been pooning around the world for a long time. Many in Vancouver do provide good value and rather than negotiate, I tend to tip if the service is good value.
 

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Lolita said:
"At times I will meet somebody and have a great session. I will then tell them that their service and everything is great, but that I cannot afford their fee every week (my budget is about $20k per year, not $30-40k). About half the time I am given the cold shoulder (their right) and about the other half the time I get a reduced rate, sometimes almost half off. Sometimes, time flexibility on my part is expected."

At least you've had the common decency to see the SP with their full rate first. The manner Jonesy was writing this thread suggested otherwise, like just short of creating a coupon and presenting it upon arrival.

There is particularily nothing wrong with the way you do business and negotiating with an SP, it seems that the Sp would be happy to suggest a session that will be more affordable. The point of the matter is presentation, you saw the SP with her full rate, completed the session and then presented your financial limitiations and brought forward your proposal. i'd say that was class.
No, not saying that at all. You have full right to disagree with what I do but please get it correct. By phone and e-mail only (I never do this once there, that lacks class and even for a cheap bastard I am not that low - yet (beat you to it 50 mile)) I simply raise the issue. I have had a concession on rate as often as not. I do this with every thing I spend my money on in life and, in my line of work, clients are always asking for similar breaks when we do a reno, fix a bathroom or whatever. I don't find it offensive and if I really need the work I comply with the request. I find that I get great repeat business. What a concept. :eek:
 

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David in Van said:
I negotiate for everything in my business, and after I negotiate, I expect good service (I make it clear with whom I am negotiated with that I want good service and tell them that their price has to include it).
Excellent answer, Dave. I also agree with the earlier assertion that once you make an appointment, you have implicitly accepted the specified terms (as has she). Besides negotiating for subsequent sessions, it seems reasonable to negotiate for extended time or expanded services, as long as it's clear that the original terms would be otherwise honored.

I've never tried to negotiate with a provider, but I've been surprised by girls offering deals for longer sessions.
 

carlotta

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May I Ask a Rather "Inane" Question here???

Why is it a negative to Negotiate one's rates? Not everyone is livin' the high life... Mainly just high LOL There are tons of students in and around the Lower Mainland... Who need luvin' too **giggle** I especially like the Med students!!!! Yesir, playin' Doctor in Trainin' is always fun!!! :D

I often negotiate... I even have worked it out that after the 5th time that you have seen me... Since that seems to be where the "comfort" level between 2 people is found... I reduce my rate or I extend the time together by 30 minutes, whichever the client prefers???

Of course I enjoy longer sessions... & If my rates are too steep, I negotiate. OMG a ho w/a heart LOL

Or a suckahhhh for a sob story hahahaa :p

Carlotta
 

Sir Jim

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If I have had a great session I simply mention that I would like to come back more often but the cost is prohibitive. Virtually every time there is a discount made available.
 

SeekSteadyRegSP

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response - negotiation

Jonesy said:
A request first that SPs do not post to this thread. I know you will all say that your prices are non-negotaible. If you start posting some of us will post who we have negotiated with and that includes tons who have "non-negotiable" on web etc.

How many of you guys negotiate? I have found that almost every SP will negotiate price or time. This is particularly true if you get them at an odd time or when they are not busy or had a cancellation or I guess a lot of other reasons. I know some of you will call me a cheap bastard but I figure I have saved an average of 10 to 15 percent over my pooning career and that adds up to a significant amount of dollars. My best all time negotiation was with someone who is quite prominent on these boards and I got twice as long at two hours at half the hourly price so essentially 75% off.

Just curious how many of you do this?

Hi,

I suspect your query is geared toward those who like to visit "Escorts", but you didn't exactly limit the respondents that way so I guess I'll add my two cents.

Seldom have I ever seen a business where supply and demand (and need) dictate the rates more so than is the case on the Vancouver streets.

I have the feeling that most of the girls there understate what they could get just for perhaps not being confident enough that you'll "date them" at the price they'd like to name.

Time and again I've gone out driving while expecting to pay, perhaps $80 for a "car date", only to encounter a woman who is just the sort of 'approachable' personality-wise that I like to discover. Then she quotes a rate that makes me gasp to myself at how little she is charging. (in this case perhaps $30 give or take $10)

I typically give her the number she stated at first, and then as long as she is an experience at least above (just opening the car door and fleeing on foot), then I chime in to bring the total at least to $60 and perhaps even $80.

If the session starts out too mechanical in nature, and there isn't enough touching or 'foreplay' to suit my hopes, then I barter with the money I was expecting to pay anyway, and hopefully inspire bared breasts and a slower build-up to climax.

I really appreciate that the SW's are out there, far more than they can probably perceive as I'm driving or walking past their spot.

Guess I save the true bargain hunting for the grocer or something, as it just seems like everybody's physical intimacy is worth a minimum of something. It is rather arbitrary what the end total expense is going to be when we're out there. And I don't know that I'd want to be the woman trying to gauge how much I might be likely to want to spend. Sometimes the mere idea that a (meal ticket) is interested right then and there is more important than the personal accounting an SW might do the next morning.

An SW who shows an approachable and sincere personality is a gold mine as I see her, and I'm willing to pay a bit more than some just to let her understand that.
 

crazydancer

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i never negotiate. in fact, if the experience is memorable, i'd even tip. :)
and i did sometimes pay $300 just for cuddling n chit chat. 'cause sometimes, i only looking for some companionship (even if it's just make believe). everybody do their own things.
 

Rowdy Rodney

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Extreme examples on both sides of the scale: Do you walk up to the cashier in Wal-Mart and negotiate a price on Equate shampoo? Do you pay the asking price of $9995 for a 1992 Honda Civic at Crazy Boris' Used Car Sales? Well, no in both cases.

So, asking for a price before hand is fine and if that price does not meet what I believe that person's service and appearance is worth, I move on. It is quite easy to get sticker shock especially when you know you get good service from one SP at a fair price and then when you call another SP and she is charging $75 to $100 more for the same thing...

A long time ago I used to see one SP who was great and charged a really fair price. A couple years later when I was back in the hobby I saw some adds for her and decided to contact her and the same service and time had jumped $125. Do I negotiate? No, I move on because I know a lot of girls who do as good of job if not better at a more fair price.

That is the beauty of have so much variety in this area. And if a girl wants to give me a special price because she knows me and trust me, then great. But, I would never ask for what is not already offered in this hobby. At Crazy Boris' Used Car lot, I would tell offer him less than a quarter of the asking price of that 1992 Honda Civic (depending on mileage and if it is Air Cared) because he is crazy :)
 

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Forget GFE - make her feel like a prostitue and negotiate??

Most of the EC advertisers in Winnipeg post a tip rate between $160 and $200. I pay them all the same $200. I have often told the ladies that charge less that I payed the flat higher rate because it seems disrespectful to me to pay them less than I would pay someone else for the same service. While it was not a calculated strategy on my part this has been very rewarding.

My visits are never timed and a one hr. rate invariably buys 2 hrs. (mayby not the first time but next time there is no rush out the door) Also the extras just keep getting better with return visits. By example BBBJ is not normally on the menu with many ladies here but when you tip more than what is asked for, treat them like a lady and not a prostitute and pleasure them as much as they pleasure you they will often surprise you and the experience will reflect just how much they enjoy seeing you.
 

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If its for rent or sale I negotiate; in advance to avoid an uncomfortable situation for both parties involved. There have been exceptions to the rule but very few.

When someone decides to put something for sale or rent they have to be able to serparate themselves from any sentimental value attached to it since it strictly becomes a business transaction. Pussy is no different than cars, legal services or dental care when its being rented/leased/offered!
 

RobBC

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Twist the question a little bit:

Is it okay for a SP to provide sub-par service if a client negotiated a price? What if the price was negotiated before the session (ie - on the phone)?

Lets say I call a SP up, she says that she charges X dollars for service Y, I say "I can't afford that", and then she says "how about X-Z dollars?" to which I accept. Just seems to me that I should still be able to expect normal service even if I'm not paying "normal" rates.

Having said that, I don't negotiate, largely for two reasons:

1) I tend to see agency girls, so negotiation isn't really as much of an option
2) I just hate negotiating in general

Just my 2c...

RobBC
 

Jonesy

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Interesting response. Seems many like me negotiate and some SPs even endorsed it.

For those who don't, good on ya and keep it up I guess. For those that do, those few extra bucks in your pocket are earned dollars.

During the time this thread was up, someone pmd me and said he had a scheme he used with a buddy where one would phone up and book SP. Then other went to place and waited until half hour over the time then called and as SP just got stood up, he would get discount rate more than 1/2 the time. This is not negotiating and like I told the guy, this is just ripping someone off and far from a classy thing to do.

For the record, I never negotiate once with the SP. However, more than one (more than ten times probably) I have had the SP negotiate once I am there when I book one session and they want it to go longer. I remember one in Richmond who was $125 for 30 minutes and $250 for the hour. At 30 minutes I was about to depart and she said no more appointments so I could stay for other 30 minutes for $75 more. I said, no, not interested. She countered with $50. I countered back with $50 for a pole dance (she actually had one in her apartment!) and then another great bj. Ended up staying close to 80 minutes total and she got some more money and I got well serviced. Free enterprise is great when it works!
 

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HeMadeMeDoIt said:
If its for rent or sale I negotiate; in advance to avoid an uncomfortable situation for both parties involved. There have been exceptions to the rule but very few.

When someone decides to put something for sale or rent they have to be able to serparate themselves from any sentimental value attached to it since it strictly becomes a business transaction. Pussy is no different than cars, legal services or dental care when its being rented/leased/offered!
exactly right
 

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I don't negotiate hourly sessions, but with extended sessions, which is what I enjoy most, I do ask what the SP wants. One memorable experience was a 4.5hr session for $600. That was fantastic.
 
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