Green Party & Liberal "Alliance"
- Thread starter Vroomfondel
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Now if only all politicians would take the duct tape and (yes, the whole
roll thank you) use it to SHUT THE FUCK UP !!
Directions for Libs especially;
Dion can start the demonstration...........does it come in french?
Wrap significant amounts until the roll is gone 'round your whole head.
Don't miss any unwrapped parts remember.
............QM'r
Ha! at least we have one guy who knows about Red-Green... and duct tape
so... ya won't vote for a party led by Harper... and you appear to not be particularly enamored with Dion, so... where's your protest vote goin?
Very Canadian..............eh?OTBnHa! at least we have one guy who knows about Red-Green... and duct tape
ADQ !!
Where's yours going?
.............QM'r
Where's yours going?
That's a tough one. I've always been dissillusioned with the major parties, I miss the old days when I could vote Rhino or Communist or even Maoist. Thanks to the changes in electoral law all the wierd fun parties are gone and we're stuck with the same old same old.
That's a tough one. I've always been dissillusioned with the major parties, I miss the old days when I could vote Rhino or Communist or even Maoist. Thanks to the changes in electoral law all the wierd fun parties are gone and we're stuck with the same old same old.
You can still vote for the Communist Party of Canada, except they changed their name a while back to the NDP.
No, I'm not making a joke. Look it up, it's true.
It's not a true statement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party
"Origins and early history
Tommy Douglas, Leader: 1961-1971
Tommy Douglas,
Leader: 1961-1971
The NDP was created in 1961 as a merger of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) and the Canadian Labour Congress (CLC). Tommy Douglas, the long-time CCF Premier of Saskatchewan, was elected the party's first leader. In 1960, before the NDP was officially registered, one candidate, Walter Pitman, won a by-election under the New Party banner.
The influence of organized labour on the party is still reflected in the party's conventions as labour votes are scaled to 25% of the total number of ballots cast. Until 1983, the basic statement of principles of the party was embodied in the Winnipeg Declaration, which was passed by the CCF in 1956."
http://www.ndp.ca/ourhistory
http://www.saskndp.com/history/
The History of the Communist Party of Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Canada
The History of the Marxist - Leninist Party of Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Canada_(Marxist-Leninist)
In the age of easy Google searches of the Internet, "the big lie" doesn't work. It's much too easy to find and link the information that proves the person is lying.
Okay, here's a question. Hows does the "D" in democratic (NDP) party
become Communist?
Communism and Democracy are two totally different ways.
The only real Communists I see are the oh so very quiet Conservatives
just bating the masses until they strike you through the heart with a
majority win one day. Then we'll see real "religious" Communism take a
strangle hold with their Ideologue way of dictatorship.
Known as the RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT RIGHT !
Truthfully speaking..........I won't vote for anything that's on the ballot
today as they all prove time and time again none of them give a real shit
about the people they govern.
All they give a fuck about is who they can suck in to getting as many
votes as possible to gain power. Very sad indeed..............
Once you've committed to one party in this day and age it seems like we've
all been sucked into a sort of "Communism" no matter how you cut it.
..............QM'r
That has to be the biggest cop-out I have ever heard. In a democracy, voting is a responsibility as a citizen. If you don't vote then in my opinion, your views mean dick. If you do not like the platforms of the people currently in power, then change them. The only way to do this is by voting. If enough people agree with you then it happens. If not - well that is what majority rule is all about. And if you don't like anyone who is running, then get a bunch of like-minded people to support you and run yourself. To say "There is nothing I can do so I am not going to vote is nothing but a lazy cop-out".
I wasn't talking about the Sask NDP I was talking about the federal NDP.
I'll dig up the references later, too busy at the moment.
But, just like the BC liberals were basically the Social Credit party originally, the federal NDP was basically the Canadian Communist Party. I wouldn't use the NDP party's website to look up that fact as I'm sure they do not want to remind everyone.
Similarly, the current Conservative party used to be the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform party and the Alliance party.
And the CCF was formed when a group of people splintered off of the Communist Party of Canada.
You have to actually dig a bit deeper and look at who the candidates where and what party banners they had previously run under, not just what they call themselves and whether or not they chose to distance themselves from their past associations.
In many places on this still-primitive planet, good and decent people are murdered over the right to vote, or lack thereof. Be thankful that the "worst" politicians we have in this country are people like Harper, or depending on your political views, Layton or May. Or Dion. Or Duceppe.
Always go and vote. Even if it's raining, or the nearest poll station is five miles away and your car is at the mechanic, or you're really tired and all you want to do is go home and sleep, or if you are really horny and just want to spend the evening with your favourite SP. Vote even if no particular politician/party inspires you; someone is representing at least part of your views. Go and vote - the sad reality of life, and the cold calculations of probability, suggest that somebody somewhere has gone through much worse in order to exercise his/her rights.
VF
I never said "There is nothing I can do". Point that out where I said that.
I will vote the way I always have but with a certain disdain for the party
I choose. As of late they haven't impressed me but IMO they are better
for what I agree with than anyone else.
Also I don't believe not voting is a cop out when you don't agree with
what there is to vote for. Would you go see an SP who has had nothing
but negative reviews? Or buy a car that has been notoriously known for
being a piece of shit? It's the same thing in my book.
The last few years the way things have been going I've had
a worse taste in my mouth for politicians than ever before.
.............QM'r
No, really, what color is the sky in your world? Is it red, is that why you see commies everywhere?
Use some Visine next time before you post
The biggest reason right here why I'd never vote for the cons.
Reform alliance and took over the name Conservatives.
The way the reform alliance use to see things when they were that name
was nothing short of Nazi socialism.
............QM'r
Socialism?
Did you mean Fascism?
Somehow I doubt you mean to say the Reform or Aliiance parties were socialist parties?
Doesn't look like there is a Commie in the bunch
As I posted yesterday, the NDP gets it's roots from the CCF and Labour. Now, why did the leaders of the CCF want to include the National and Provincial Organized Labour Elements?
Could it be because the Local Labour Councils have an element of radicals that we wanted to prevent having the resources to run candidates? Could it be that we actively ensure that those radicals can't get a nomination in a party that has the resources to actually elect it's candidates?
When Labour Councils could achieve nomination of their candidates, they weren't that successful.
The CCF was able to elect candidates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-operative_Commonwealth_Federation
When Labour elected a candidate, they often ended up becoming a Liberal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_candidates_and_parties_(Canada)
The members of the Ginger Group wanted the CCF to have the support of both the farmers and labour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Group_(Canada)
The farmers were successfully electing their candidates both nationally and provincially as the Progressive party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_of_Canada
The CCF and later the NDP took away resources the Communists would have otherwise been able to acquire in Urban Centers. This is why the Communists under the Communist Party of Canada or the Marxist - Leninist Party of Canada have never managed to elect anyone.
http://www.elections.ca/intro.asp?section=pas&document=index&lang=e
1997 result
http://www.elections.ca/content.asp...opsis06&dir=rep/dec3097&lang=e&textonly=false
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
2000 result
http://www.elections.ca/content.asp...=synopsis06&dir=rep/37g&lang=e&textonly=false
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
2004 result
http://www.elections.ca/scripts/OVR2004/default.html
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
2006 result
http://www.elections.ca/scripts/OVR2006/default.html
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
There aren't any successful political partys who are willing to allow a group who's policies are so radical that they can't garner 1% of the vote to be able to nominate candidates, establish policy or make their public statements. That is why the Communists find themselves without resources or electoral support.
It takes too many resources and too much of people's energy to have it wasted on candidates who have deliberately put themselves well outside of mainstream opinion.
added
Many times people think that you can add the votes that another party received to your own and demonstrate that the seat could have been won if those votes hadn't been "wasted".
There are no seats that the NDP would have won if both Communist Party votes were added to the NDP vote. The communists simply don't get enough votes to affect the result. The communists have always been unable to motivate the people they can get to demonstrate on the street to the polls on election day.
To add the Green Party votes to the NDP vote would be a mistake. The Green Party policies for social programs and financial initiatives are more Conservative than Liberal or NDP. If the Green Party wasn't providing a place for the person to vote, they may not vote at all or their vote may split between the Conservatives and the Liberals. Those votes were never NDP votes.
As I posted yesterday, the NDP gets it's roots from the CCF and Labour. Now, why did the leaders of the CCF want to include the National and Provincial Organized Labour Elements?
Could it be because the Local Labour Councils have an element of radicals that we wanted to prevent having the resources to run candidates? Could it be that we actively ensure that those radicals can't get a nomination in a party that has the resources to actually elect it's candidates?
When Labour Councils could achieve nomination of their candidates, they weren't that successful.
The CCF was able to elect candidates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-operative_Commonwealth_Federation
When Labour elected a candidate, they often ended up becoming a Liberal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_candidates_and_parties_(Canada)
The members of the Ginger Group wanted the CCF to have the support of both the farmers and labour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Group_(Canada)
The farmers were successfully electing their candidates both nationally and provincially as the Progressive party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_of_Canada
The CCF and later the NDP took away resources the Communists would have otherwise been able to acquire in Urban Centers. This is why the Communists under the Communist Party of Canada or the Marxist - Leninist Party of Canada have never managed to elect anyone.
http://www.elections.ca/intro.asp?section=pas&document=index&lang=e
1997 result
http://www.elections.ca/content.asp...opsis06&dir=rep/dec3097&lang=e&textonly=false
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
2000 result
http://www.elections.ca/content.asp...=synopsis06&dir=rep/37g&lang=e&textonly=false
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
2004 result
http://www.elections.ca/scripts/OVR2004/default.html
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
2006 result
http://www.elections.ca/scripts/OVR2006/default.html
The communists didn't break 1% of the vote.
There aren't any successful political partys who are willing to allow a group who's policies are so radical that they can't garner 1% of the vote to be able to nominate candidates, establish policy or make their public statements. That is why the Communists find themselves without resources or electoral support.
It takes too many resources and too much of people's energy to have it wasted on candidates who have deliberately put themselves well outside of mainstream opinion.
added
Many times people think that you can add the votes that another party received to your own and demonstrate that the seat could have been won if those votes hadn't been "wasted".
There are no seats that the NDP would have won if both Communist Party votes were added to the NDP vote. The communists simply don't get enough votes to affect the result. The communists have always been unable to motivate the people they can get to demonstrate on the street to the polls on election day.
To add the Green Party votes to the NDP vote would be a mistake. The Green Party policies for social programs and financial initiatives are more Conservative than Liberal or NDP. If the Green Party wasn't providing a place for the person to vote, they may not vote at all or their vote may split between the Conservatives and the Liberals. Those votes were never NDP votes.
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