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Goodbye Stanley Cup

sirlickheralot

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=75890

With Bertuzzi gone for the rest of the season and the playoffs the Canucks chances at the cup are greatly diminished. :(

When compared with previous punishments handed out by the league I think this decision is out of line. Colin Campbell allowed the media and the court of public opinion influence his decision. If he comes down this hard on the Canucks because of all the media coverage, hopefully in the future he is just as severe on other players and teams when there isn't as much media coverage.
 

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Bertuzzi broke some guys neck. This isn't the cheap tomahawk style shot McSorley inflicted on Brashear. Later repeated by Neidermayer (Scott). Punishment should've been a little more severe.

And seeing how Bertuzzi spent most of the playoffs in the penalty box, costing the team a few key games, it's a greater advantage of keeping "the cup" in sight.
 

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99 times out of a 100 the injuries inflicted by hitting someone in the head with a stick are going to be more severe than punching them. That is why historically the suspensions for stick infractions have been more severe than those for sucker punches. Bertuzzi got unlucky on this one, if the injury had of simply been a concussion he wouldn't have gotten more than 12 games for the exact same infraction. However the words broken neck sound much more sensational and the media has really played up Steve Moore's injuries to make the story more interesting. Moore suffered 2 undisplaced fractures which almost always heal without surgery and take on average 6-12 weeks to heal. There is little doubt Steve will make a full recovery and probably in less time than many other injuries that players suffer regularly.
 

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I don't think we had a chance anyways...

Well we had 7 guys in the lineup last night who could not make the team back in September or were not even around.

This is not the same team that has thrilled us Canucks fans for the past two years. They have not been an "elite" team since October.

Bertuzzi has destroyed any respect he earned from his great play last year. It's all about Bertuzzi, not the team, not the fans, not his fellow players. If I knew I had just lost upwards of $3 million I would be sobbing too. In a split second he MADE himself a nobody. His actions insulted me and embarrassed me as a Canucks fan. Thank god Trevor is my favorite player, else I would have a useless jersey in the closet.
 

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Goodbye Stanley Cup?

You mean you thought they had a chance to win it?

The Canucks were a one line team (unless you consider the Sedin's endless passing behind the net to be an offensive threat) that has now lost one of it's two marque players.

I would argue that the Canucks with the two recent additions -- Sanderson and the Russian who I won't even try to spell -- are now stronger than they were before the "hit that will live in infamy".

They probably have a better chance now. But it is unlikely they will get past Detroit or Colorado.
 

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sirlickheralot said:
[BWhen compared with previous punishments handed out by the league I think this decision is out of line. [/B]
Read this article and see if you still think it was "out of line". Considering the severity of the injuries, the obvious pre-meditation, and Bertuzzi's record of violence, he got off easy IMHO.
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SPORTS Thu, March 11, 2004

Man with 'hair-trigger'

STEVE SIMMONS, TORONTO SUN


TORONTO -- What happened in Vancouver on Monday night was not about the National Hockey League or the culture of hockey or the apparent problems within the game. Do not confuse one with the others.

It was about one player out of control. It was about one player acting irresponsibly. It was about one player's premeditation, and a heinous and frightening act of cowardice, that Todd Bertuzzi and only Todd Bertuzzi is guilty of.

Neither the game nor the league can be expected to police violent stupidity and, frankly, neither can society.

The league and game may be bystanders, albeit neither are innocent: They just didn't pull the trigger on this one. An individual still has to make that reckless decision. This was an orchestrated stickup gone bad. Bertuzzi acted. The rest is shameful history.

ROBBING THE BANK

He was robbing the bank. He didn't mean to shoot the teller. How many criminals end up the same way?

"He's always had that hair trigger," said Mike Kelly, who was Bertuzzi's general manager in junior hockey and now runs the Windsor Spitfires. "Unfortunately, it went off the other night."

Unfortunately. Everybody keeps using that word. Unfortunately, Steve Moore is in hospital. Unfortunately, he has a broken neck. Unfortunately, we don't know if he'll ever play hockey again.

Bertuzzi was just doing his job, protecting his teammates, that's what the hockey community will mutter and continue to sound ridiculous saying it. Bertuzzi was doing what he has done for too long, in too many places, excused by too many people because he was so very skilled: He was parading violence as sport, living the macho code that is so often misinterpreted in hockey, and figured to be congratulated for it.

"He wanted to make a point," said his teammate, Markus Naslund, maybe the best player in the NHL. "That you don't hit our players." Some point.

The kid is in hospital. The sucker-puncher shouldn't be allowed to play in this or any other season. The NHL has to be that strong when it makes its announcement on suspension length this morning - it has to be more outraged than even the public on this one.

And no matter what happens, Bertuzzi is probably the lucky one here, lucky that a Colorado player named Andrei Nikolishin was in the right place to stop his left fist from further pounding into Moore's already injured head and neck. Had that punch connected, we might not be debating suspension length today.

We might be talking about murder charges.

This isn't a one-time ''I snapped'' kind of determination for Bertuzzi. There is history here. There is a background. There are stories out there to be told.

POUNDING ON THE WINDOWS

Like the time in 1991, playing in the northern Ontario midget championships, when his team was beaten out in the finals by Sault Ste. Marie and he chased the winning team's bus out of the parking lot, swearing and pounding on the windows, out of control.

The next year, his first in the Ontario Hockey League, Bertuzzi missed the end of that season and the beginning of the next when he was suspended 15 games for kicking a Kitchener player.

The year after that, in his own locker room, for no apparent reason other than jealousy, he punched out teammate Jeff O'Neill.

In the NHL, Bertuzzi punched linesman Jean Morin in a 1996 scuffle and was suspended for three games before losing 10 more games to suspension for leaving the bench to attack a Colorado player in 2001.

This morning the NHL has an opportunity to distance itself from Bertuzzi. This morning, the NHL has an opportunity to make one of their problems go away forever.
 
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Steve Simmons is a bloody moron. If you've ever seen him on TSN Wednesday Night Hockey or Dave Hodge's show The Reporters, you'll see this exact point.

Do all of you forget that in 1998, Matt Johnson ended Jeff Bukeboom's career with a sucker-punch to the back of the head and only received a 10 game suspension? Or is it okay because it was goon on goon? According to the NHL it was.

Does everyone forget how Bryan Marchment gets suspended five times a year for putting other players careers and lives into danger and the NHL does nothing about it? If there are players for the NHL to 'distance' themselves from, it's goons like this, not stars like Bertuzzi.

Both Johnson (suspended for six games last month) and Marchment (broke a guy's collarbone two nights ago) still play in the NHL, while Bertuzzi's gone? Who the hell is in charge of this league? The media? The owners? Do they have a rulebook for the game of hockey? Do they have set guidlines for suspensions? Do they use even use the rulebook or the guidelines anymore?

The NHL's downfall is that they care more about attracting new fans than actually keeping the ones they have (the ones that have helped them survive this long).
 

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Lurker said:
The NHL's downfall is that they care more about attracting new fans than actually keeping the ones they have (the ones that have helped them survive this long).
I agree Lurker. There called Canadians. --- Kev
 

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If there was a media frenzy, it was caused by the Canucks before the Bertuzzi incident happened. The Canucks started the media frenzy the night Moore hit Nasland with the clean (as per Nasland himself) hit.

The reason this suspension may seem stiff compared to the examples you all cite is because this was a premiditated attack as per Brad May's comment before the game about there being a bounty on Moore.

I think Bertuzzi got off real easy if all he gets is the "rest" of the season. Huh!!! The "rest" of the season is 13 games!!! plus playoffs. Ya think it's all media hype...Ask Steve Moore ih his being hospitalized, his surgury and neck brace are just 'hype'.
 

sirlickheralot

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Brad May and the Canucks were just letting off steam when the bounty comment was made after seeing their friend and captain sustain a serious injury. For all they knew at the time Naslund may have been out for the rest of the season, with concussions you never know.

If this attack was so premeditated then Marc Crawford would have to be the stupidist coach in NHL history. Who sends your second highest scorer and premier power forward in the league to take out a fringe player. That would be like Colorado sending Joe Sakic out to injure Jarko Ruutu. If there had of been a bounty on Steve Moores head Marc Crawford had Wade Brookbank in his lineup that night who would have been a far better candidate for collecting the bounty.

Bertuzzi was embarassed and frustrated by how badly the Canucks were losing and tried to convince Steve Moore to drop the gloves. When Moore wouldn't fight, Bertuzzi lost his temper and did something extremely stupid, but I don't think he had been planning this for the past 3 weeks.
 
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