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God part 2

shawn

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I posted a thread a while back about God and Religion. Saw this article today and it did get me thinking? What if the conservative right is correct? Will we go to hell if we poon and ignore the Sabbath Day? Or can somebody make it in the Kingdom of Heaven on being a good person alone? No flames please.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9731623/



It’s been 10 months of epic disaster. First there was the tsunami that killed some 250,000 people in Southeast Asia. Then came Hurricane Katrina with its devastating toll on the Gulf Coast, followed by an earthquake that took tens of thousands of lives in South Asia. Now, Hurricane Wilma, one of the most powerful storms ever measured in the Atlantic Basin, is stalking the Florida coast, and experts are warning of a deadly avian flu pandemic.

It’s enough to make just about anyone pause to look for meaning in the madness.
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For many who await Judgment Day, the writing is on the wall.

So close is the correlation between recent events and the biblical prophecy of the Second Coming, by the reckoning of RaptureReady.com, its "Rapture Index" has been hovering around 160 — the highest levels since just after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. According to the Web site, "the higher the number, the faster we're moving towards the ... rapture." When the number is above 145, it advises: "Fasten your seatbelts!"

"There is a resurgence of End Times thinking," says Stephen O'Leary, an expert on apocalyptic thinking and an associate professor at the University of Southern California. Anxiety about doomsday always lurks under the surface and resurfaces periodically, he says. "It's a very traditional way of coming to terms with disaster. In one sense it’s as old as the hills ... but there is a recent uptick of this kind of thinking."

Current events have provided rich fodder for religious groups devoted to watching for the End Times, when the faithful believe that they and nonbelievers will ultimately be judged. Nowhere is this more evident today than on the Internet, where scores of Web sites analyze the news through a biblical lens. While predictions of an apocalypse are part of many religions, including a version in Islam that is very similar to the Christian one, it is evangelical Christians who are sounding alarms in U.S. churches and online.

Among the most commonly cited biblical passages describing the beginning of the end are in Matthew, where Jesus warns that "nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes," and this passage in Luke: "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring."


The race to interpret the news
Many evangelical Christians believe these events signal the End Times, as spelled out in the Book of Revelation, which go something like this: First there is the Rapture, in which God's loyal followers suddenly disappear from Earth and enter his kingdom. Then comes the Tribulation, a seven-year period of rule by the Antichrist and severe hardship on Earth. During this time, nonbelievers who remain on Earth will have a chance to convert to Christianity but will be hounded by the Antichrist and his minions. Then comes Armageddon, when God comes back to defeat Satan in a devastating battle. Ultimately, there is Judgment Day, when those who are with God live on in Paradise, and others are eternally condemned to Hell.

There are scores of Web sites that interpret current events through the prism of biblical passages, seeing divine signs not only in the weather, but in the war in Iraq and events at the United Nations.

Abbaswatchman.com "explains how virtually everything we are seeing, from hurricanes and tsunamis to tensions with Damascus are fulfilling prophesies." The blog ApocalypseSoon.org strives "to document the final moments of human history as it unfolds and to announce the return of Jesus Christ on earth." The list goes on.

New Orleans warning
Some Web sites serve as a pulpit for those who believe that God sent Katrina to smite New Orleans for its sinning ways and to send a warning to the rest of the nation.

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," says conservative anti-gay activist Michael Marcavage on the site RepentAmerica.com. He says New Orleans was punished for a "public celebration" of homosexuality, wanton drunkenness and show of flesh.

Alabama state Sen. Henry E. "Hank" Erwin Jr., a Republican, expressed a similar view in a weekly column he writes for news outlets. "New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness," he wrote. "It is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgment of God."

Irwin Baxter, founder of End Times Ministries, is among those more focused on how Katrina and the other disasters, combined with key political indicators — including the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip — point to an imminent apocalypse. "With all these converging at the same time, it looks to me we are very close to or just entered the (End Times)," says Baxter.

“People are really apprehensive right now,” he says. But the upside, from his point of view, is that the disasters could help make believers out of doubters. “If we continue seeing event after event of this magnitude ... I think it could really galvanize a lot of people.”

He's given up his regular job as pastor at a Pentecostal church in Richmond, Ind., to devote all his time and energy to End Times Ministries, which includes a magazine that has 30,000 subscribers, a Web site and a radio program broadcast on 30 stations and over the Internet.

To be sure, not all conservative Christians think it's wise to make predictions. "There have been storms throughout history," says Mark Bailey, president of the Dallas Theological Seminary, a conservative evangelical institution. "To say about any of these that 'this is it' is dangerous speculation."

He is also troubled by the view that storms are used to punish a certain group of people. However, he adds, "It's a great time to ask, 'If this was it, would I be ready?'"

Apocalypse on the big screen
The soul-searching, and the speculation in Christian circles is driven in part by a highly successful series of films based on the best-selling book series "Left Behind." The story, a melodrama with a backdrop of End Times prophecy events, focuses on characters who remain on Earth after the believers are swept to heaven in the Rapture. The films, starring former television actor Kirk Cameron, launched on DVD in 2000 and have prompted a wave of other books, movies and spin-offs in the apocalypse genre. The third "Left Behind" movie is set to premiere at churches across the country on Friday.

USC's O'Leary suggests that media coverage of real disasters from Sri Lanka to New Orleans may also be intensifying the belief in impending peril, because the events are delivered instantaneously to American living rooms. "There is a sense of escalation that makes us feel that it's happening more rapidly," says O'Leary.

Religious groups don't have a monopoly on apocalyptic thinking. O'Leary says that even in secular circles, people also embrace apocalyptic thinking when it converges with worrisome scientific or technological developments.

"The prime case was the Y2K scare," he says, referring to fears of a disaster on the eve of the new century. "For awhile it seemed to have a rational technical basis, which seemed to go overboard," creating fears that lingered until the clock struck 12:01 a.m. on Jan. 1, 2000, "long after computer programmers said it was going to be OK," he says.

Evidence of global warming fuels fears of impending disaster among those who don't necessarily believe in divine intervention, O'Leary points out. And the emergence of nuclear weapons technology after World War II lent plausibility to belief in a secular version of Armageddon.

"You don’t have to be a religious believer to think that we’re headed for disaster," O'Leary says.
 

mustangjoe

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take it somewhere else, choir boy

Fuck I need I hooker right now.
 

Aeiyah

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Good advice, although I'll be repenting on my deathbed. I can blame it on the vixens who have led me down the sinner's path. See you in heaven if you make the list.
 

maxx50

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Not the rapture

ManKind is so fearful.... Everything that has been happening ..is just another day on planet earth.. get over it .
Those that truely know ..and listen to God ... just won't be in those situations .. ... they will move before dissater stricks...... and if they are there then that is where they are ment to be... At least I hope that is partly true.

I just wish religius people would stop running around ...saying "...The sky is falling ...the sky is falling ." //there just abunch of chicken sh.. s that have very little faith .. and there own srewed up agenda..of self godlyness.


Yes I could get struck by lighting today .....Oh happy day hal la lua!!!

But I know you all have better things to think about ... and want to do before your time is up ... So get going....and thank God for all your happyness.
 

hitrack

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My limited
attention span will not allow me to read all that :rolleyes:
 

vancouverman

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worse kind of a sinner is the one who puts the blame on others


mummy ,,,,,, mummy ..... she made me do it



:D :D :D
 

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"65 million years ago a disaster happened, although we are not sure of the cause. All the dinosaurs and many other groups of animals and plants became extinct around this time. The most popular theory is that a mountain-sized meteorite hit the Earth, throwing up a thick cloud of dust and causing tidal waves and global forest fires. The dust hid the Sun. This might have killed many plants, which need light to live. It might also have cooled the Earth and so killed the dinosaurs which, being unable to keep themselves warm, might have stopped moving and so starved."


...I guess God did this in anticipation of Man's sins... 64.9-65.001 million years into the future????????


Heavy sarcasm intended.
 

Aeiyah

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vancouverman said:
worse kind of a sinner is the one who puts the blame on others

mummy ,,,,,, mummy ..... she made me do it

:D :D :D
The flesh is weak, especially when Lucifer himself appears in the form of wanton woman with wares to beguile the senses and satiate the basest appetites. :)
 

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To repeat what I've said before, my idea of hell is spending eternity with people who describe themselves as "born again" or "evangelicals". If the bible thumpers are right and my belief in reincarnation turns out to be wrong, as I'm on the elevator to the nether regions, I can take some comfort in the fact that at least I won't be spending forever with the self-righteous fuckers.
 

shawn

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FuZzYknUckLeS said:
You`re that dude that holds up John 3:17 signs at football games.
Fuzzyknuckles, your the one that got in a huff when I did a mock review about a provider

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33037

I`m sure you look like Tom Cruise with the body of Greek God with six pack abs. Unfortunately I think you also have six grade mentality and are insecure.

MustangJoe. I am no choirboy and like to poon like most people on this board, all i`m asking is what if there is a Hell?

Can`t people just have discussion without flaming one another. And yes I am a hyprocrite for even responding to their insults.
 

shawn

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Thanks

~Alexandria~ said:
What if there is a Hell? A hell as you know it? or as I know it? or JC himself knows it? Hell to me is the deep, dark depths of the pits of death that our lifeless selves are cast, never to be warm, or happy or loved again. The constant nashing of teeth and clanking of chains are heard amongst the moans and sobs of the lonely souls gasping for air. Stagnant, putrid wet plumes of smoke linger over everything, and the ground is thick and wet in feces and muck. It's kind of like Night of the Living Dead, except all the zombies are naked and scarred and bleeding. The place where all of us sinners go when we grow too old, or too weary or tired to go on.

isn't that creepy?

Now, obviously hell is a very bad place to spend all of eternity. And if you're unwilling to live life like Vancouvermonk has and you truly want to get to heaven, the trick is... you must repent. So, everyone should have a good catholic priest in their family, or at least one for a neighbor or a curling partner. That way, when the angel gabby comes knocking on your door, your ticket to heaven is just a phone call away. That's a risk though, you know as well as I do that you could get hit by a mac truck tomorrow and die instantly and then you'd be hooped. Last rights must be administered before the final breath is taken.

choices choices...what to do what to do :confused:
Thanks Alexandria, It is nice to see some people can comment without flaming :)
 

FuZzYknUckLeS

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shawn said:
Fuzzyknuckles, your the one that got in a huff when I did a mock review about a provider

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33037

I`m sure you look like Tom Cruise with the body of Greek God with six pack abs. Unfortunately I think you also have six grade mentality and are insecure.

....
Relax dude, I`m just having a little fun. :cool: And what do my looks and your opinion of my mentality have to do with anything? :confused: Did I strike a nerve? :eek:
 

WABASH

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~Alexandria~ said:
What if there is a Hell? A hell as you know it? or as I know it? or JC himself knows it? Hell to me is the deep, dark depths of the pits of death that our lifeless selves are cast, never to be warm, or happy or loved again. The constant nashing of teeth and clanking of chains are heard amongst the moans and sobs of the lonely souls gasping for air. Stagnant, putrid wet plumes of smoke linger over everything, and the ground is thick and wet in feces and muck. It's kind of like Night of the Living Dead, except all the zombies are naked and scarred and bleeding. The place where all of us sinners go when we grow too old, or too weary or tired to go on.

isn't that creepy?

Now, obviously hell is a very bad place to spend all of eternity. And if you're unwilling to live life like Vancouvermonk has and you truly want to get to heaven, the trick is... you must repent. So, everyone should have a good catholic priest in their family, or at least one for a neighbor or a curling partner. That way, when the angel gabby comes knocking on your door, your ticket to heaven is just a phone call away. That's a risk though, you know as well as I do that you could get hit by a mac truck tomorrow and die instantly and then you'd be hooped. Last rights must be administered before the final breath is taken.

choices choices...what to do what to do :confused:
Heaven and Hell are right here on earth, individual to each, defined by our psyche and manifested by our actions. Religion need not be involved.
 

aznboi9

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If I'm wrong, I'll recant on my deathbed...

 

rampart

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Shaw is stuck in the timewarp called the Dark Ages!!!

I just posted a reply to Ava's plight with the uptight/demonic SO and how some humans are living in the dark ages of religious persecution.

I agree totally with Wabash that Heaven and Hell are right here on earth.

The doom & gloomers who love to quote Revelations and other fear messages should think when the Black Plague was on the earth. I bet the church cashed is big time on End of the Earth scenarios.

Shawn, spend some time broadening your scope of vision with an open heart and an open mind.

"The Bible is a good book but it is not the only book." Clarence Darrow-Inherit the Wind(John T. Scopes Monkey Trial 1926)
 

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Who would pay attention to a god like that?

If there was a god who sent people to "hell" for breaking the rules, there is no way I would pay any attention except out of fear --- kind of like being a courtier to Saddam Hussein or Idi Amin. The right thing to do would be to tell that deity to fuck off and take the punishment.
 

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I find this thread funny. Why do people believe that the book (i.e. Bible, etc) they read and believe is the right book? What if the catholics have it all wrong and the Muslems have it right? or any other religion?
I view the bible like when your Mom tells you the Stork is how babies are delivered. At the time your mind is not ready for the real truth so that one is fine for the age. The Bible worked when people were unable to explain where people came from and how things were made. Now we have come a long way with science and the story of the bible is no longer sounding as plausible much like a 10 year old isn't believing that the Stork delivers babies.
 

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Damaged said:
I find this thread funny. Why do people believe that the book (i.e. Bible, etc) they read and believe is the right book?

Because they have all been brain washed.
 
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