G F E???

[vancanuck11]

Does anyone else share my frustration of seeing SP Ads that advertise as providing "GFE", or even charging more for GFE...then later in the ad (or worse, after having handed over the donation) finding out that the SP does not provide BBBJ?

The definition of GFE (at a minimum) includes all of: LFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, and MSOG. Anything else (*specifically CBJ*) is NOT GFE.

Am I correct, PERBites?

 

[Swguy]

The definition of GFE (at a minimum) includes all of:

That's "your" definition of GFE.

This is an old debate. Looking at your join date, I'm sure you're aware of this.

You will find that most everyone has a different definitions / expectations.



SWG

 

[Avery]

The definition of GFE (at a minimum) includes all of: LFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, and MSOG. Anything else (*specifically CBJ*) is NOT GFE.

I agree, and on MERB, reviewers who receive less than what you listed and refer to the SP as a GFE are absolutely roasted. The senior posters there have pretty well agreed not to use the term GFE unless their experience includes all those activities. Mind you, there's more to a GFE than just the activities themselves. In addition to them, a friendly, unrushed, intimate atmosphere is essential to a GFE.

Some reputable Montreal agencies advertise whether or not an escort is a GFE, and they use your list as a guideline.

 

[Moose]

To me, GFE means more then the woman laying on her back and counting the minutes (or seconds as the case maybe)till it's over. Oh wait, maybe that is a GFE .

 

[georgebushmoron]

GFE has no meaning.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

GFE has no meaning.

Sure it does. Typically, it means yer 50 bills more outa pocket.

 

[Avery]

GFE has no meaning.

If that's so, it's because of false advertising and reviewers who are too easy to please. That's why the MERBites have reached a consensus on the term GFE - to re-establish its original meaning. I never use the term GFE in a review unless my experience included all the activities listed.

The truly meaningless term in the sex trade is "open-minded". WTF does that mean?

 

[georgebushmoron]

If that's so, it's because of false advertising and reviewers who are too easy to please. That's why the MERBites have reached a consensus on the term GFE - to re-establish its original meaning. I never use the term GFE in a review unless my experience included all the activities listed.

The truly meaningless term in the sex trade is "open-minded". WTF does that mean?

"Open-minded" could literally mean currently undergoing surgical procedure of lobotomy. But seriously, it is a term used by hookers to entice you more than anything else. That term has fallen by the wayside as more pooners found out that it means nothing.

As for pooners reaching a concensus, such things are brittle. Every guy has a term for GFE that maximizes his pleasure, and many guys are different. Every hooker has a term for GFE that maximizes her income, and each hooker has her own tolerance. The two won't necessarily collude to mean the same thing. Anyway, it seems the term "GFE" has been abused by both sides. "GFE" will have the same fate as "open-minded" since it is already heading down that road.

 

[kehoe]

the term that annoys me is "safe GFE". WTF is that? You either allow DATY and reciprocate with one hell of a bj (doesn't have to be bbbj) as well as DFK or you don't and if you don't, call it a "non-GFE". There is no such thing as a safe GFE. The term almost qualifies as an oxymoron. It's like saying irregardless; there is no such word.

 

[Avery]

I don't like the term "safe GFE" either. It's generally used by reviewers to mean they received all the elements of a GFE, except that the BJ was a CBJ instead of a BBBJ. As I stated earlier, I would never use the term GFE in a review unless I received a BBBJ.

 

[kehoe]

I don't like the term "safe GFE" either. It's generally used by reviewers to mean they received all the elements of a GFE, except that the BJ was a CBJ instead of a BBBJ. As I stated earlier, I would never use the term GFE in a review unless I received a BBBJ.

I find it being used more and more by sp's that don't want to advertise that they don't offer a full GFE for fear of losing business. In the end it will hurt their business as hapless pooners will go see them hoping for a session filled with DFK, DATY and BJ's (again, doesn't have to be bbbj) and find that it is not available, causing negative reviews and the ensuing war between the two parties later on boards like this.

 

[Guardian Angel]

Gfe

Does anyone else share my frustration of seeing SP Ads that advertise as providing "GFE", or even charging more for GFE...then later in the ad (or worse, after having handed over the donation) finding out that the SP does not provide BBBJ?

The definition of GFE (at a minimum) includes all of: LFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, and MSOG. Anything else (*specifically CBJ*) is NOT GFE.

Am I correct, PERBites?

I have only been disappointed once on a GFE advertised session. Paid more. NO DATY. I reviewed my concern on that MP.

But thanks to the great reviews on this board, I can say I have never had a bad experience with any Independent sessions I have booked. In fact, I was super satisfied.

And for the most, any MP's I have visited have been specially selected from the reviews and once again, I have been very happy with the "perks" I have rec'd.

So if you are into all the above, do your homework and you shouldn't be disappointed.

G.A.

 

[The Lizard King]

Actually, "open-minded" means that they'll do any putz who walks through the door for their stated price. It has nothing to do with what acts they'll actually provide! And "GFE" means that if you see them enough and become a regular, they'll act like a cunt and treat you like you're an asshole and not ever tell you why. I don't think women generally charge more for that though......

 

[BigBlue]

Another possible viewpoint:

Couldn't "GFE" imply that there will be the illusion of an affectionate relationship, ie chatting, laughing, cuddling, touching, and enthusiasm (like she really chose you as a boyfriend, and didn't just meet you 30 seconds previously)....as opposed to lying there like a rock with a grimace on her face?

 

[pooner144]

BigBlue.... as I was reading through this thread, that's exactly what I was thinking. as pooner's we see a GFE in terms of more action physically, like the list in the beginning. It seems that however, from the SP's point of view, A GFE points towards more talking, getting to know each other, and not be so stiff on time. well, that part is easy, it should be standard fare for any SP.

 

[Avery]

Couldn't "GFE" imply that there will be the illusion of an affectionate relationship, ie chatting, laughing, cuddling, touching, and enthusiasm (like she really chose you as a boyfriend, and didn't just meet you 30 seconds previously)....

That's true, as I said earlier, but without the activities listed, it wouldn't be much of a sexual encounter. A friendly encounter with a lot of restrictions isn't a GFE. Some guys might be OK with it, but, please don't call it a GFE.

 

[lovinithard]

The term GFE has outlived it's usefullness, if it ever had any. It varies so much from girl to girl that it is now virtually meaningless. I always inquire as to specific services offered and make my decision based on that.

 

[Moderator]

GFE is only a term or guide, We all have different ideas about it and it will never change, I for one am never going to allow a "defenition" of it.

 

[kehoe]

GFE is only a term or guide, We all have different ideas about it and it will never change, I for one am never going to allow a "defenition" of it.

I don't know what that means when you say that you will not allow a definition of it. I think that for the purpose of discussion and debate there does need to be an official minimum standard established and it shouldn't be that open to interpretation. As pooner, BigBlue, Avery and others have suggested, there are certain things that should be standard regarding attitude and service and not open to everyones' own interpretation. That's why this argument keeps getting recycled and rehashed. It doesn't need to be as complicated as many make it out to be.

 

[Avery]

That's correct, and it's why MERBites decided on a definition. There are fewer SPs on MERB than PERB, so it may have been easier to reach a consensus, since pretty well all the input came from hobbyists. It's not the offical policy of MERB moderators, just a consensus among many members.

Some Montreal agencies have started to state whether ladies are GFE, PSE, etc. If a lady listed as GFE consistently receives reviews that indicate otherwise, the agency is called on it publicly on MERB. As a result, some descriptions have been changed. Note I said consistently; one non-GFE session could be the result of YMMV, but five in a row would not.