Federal "Stripper" Immigration Program

Jodie

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Did anyone else know that the federal government offers a special immigration program for exotic dancers? :confused:

It's not what you think, though. For the most part, they are not letting in women who are already exotic dancers in their home countries... they are allowing skilled, educated women (such as teachers and nurses) to immigrate to Canada, under the condition that they will work in the adult entertainment industry. How demeaning! Way to look out for our new immigrants :(

It's not that I have a problem with women immigrating here to work in the adult entertainment industry, but I sure as hell don't like to hear that the government forces them into it as a condition of their immigration to our country.



Stripper shortage, demand for more demeaning acts linked


CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA — Contrary to Immigration Department claims, there is no shortage of native-born exotic dancers in Canada, says a University of Toronto law professor who has studied the strip club business.

Audrey Macklin says the real reason strip clubs want foreign dancers is that they are desperate and will do things Canadian women consider too unsafe or demeaning.

"What in fact the demand is for these days is for women to lap dance, and not just lap dance but basically to be on some guy's lap naked while he gropes her and may masturbate under her and that sort of stuff," Macklin said in an interview today.

"And there's also a shortage of women who are willing to work in so-called private booths where they do stripping, whatever they do in a private booth, just for one man."

Such activities may be illegal "but the fact is that's what makes money for the strip clubs, that's what they want women to do, so that means they don't really work very hard to protect the women from being groped or abused."

Macklin was commenting on the federal program for exotic dancers, which has come under scrutiny since Immigration Minister Judy Sgro granted permanent resident status to a Romanian dancer who worked on her campaign.

Sgro conceded today that the foreign dancers "are ripe for exploitation," but insisted the program doesn't condone prostitution. She said she wants to tighten the rules for their work in Canada, but not to prevent them from coming.

"When you talk to the women that are so desperate to find a way out of countries they say, `Please, keep this program because it does provide us with an opportunity . . . a chance of a better life,"' she said after a cabinet meeting.

Last year more than 500 Romanians received temporary visas to come to Canada under the program.

The foreign dancers are often trained in other occupations such as nursing and teaching.

"There's a tendency to depict these women as sluts and whores and prostitutes and say, `Why are we letting them in at all?'" said Macklin.

"Well, a lot of them are in fact trained in other occupations but we claim not to need those occupations.

"A lot of them actually have university education but this is where the demand is and this is what the visas will be issued for. On the one hand, we don't acknowledge the skills they have and then when they enter using the only way they have, we disparage them."

Toronto lawyer Mendel Green, who formerly represented an association of strip-club owners called the Adult Entertainment Association, denied there's an adequate supply of Canadian dancers.

When he represented the industry, club owners lobbied to bring in foreign dancers because Canadian-born dancers were controlled by biker gangs, said Green.

"I do know there has always been a shortage of women that want to work in these clubs. They're a critical sort of product in the entertainment industry that is not readily available in Canada. It's got nothing to do with prostitution at all.

"I'm not saying some of them aren't prostitutes, but I'm saying the overwhelming majority of them go home when they're supposed to go home, they're treated very carefully and well."

Green conceded he has not been in a strip club in 20 years, saying most of his information about the industry came from his former clients.

"In the past some of my clients had homes for them (dancers), they had domestics in the home, they had cooks in the home, they were given chauffeur-driven cars to and from the clubs, they had a nurse on call."

Macklin said it's true dancers are often driven to and from work by chauffeurs. She said that is part of a strategy to keep them isolated and prevent them from talking to people outside the industry.

She said laws on permitted activities in strip clubs vary across the country, and are rarely enforced.

"We're not doing a very good job of protecting (dancers) from abuse," she said.
 
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wolverine

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Jodie said:
"What in fact the demand is for these days is for women to lap dance, and not just lap dance but basically to be on some guy's lap naked while he gropes her and may masturbate under her and that sort of stuff," Macklin said in an interview today.
:eek: ;)
 

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Mike Hawk - LEARN TO READ. Many of these women are trained as nurses or teachers, but are only allowed in under the stripper program. If they want in that pretty well forces them to strip. What's demeaning is they want a better life, but aren't allowed in to practice their chosen professions. Think of it this way - if George Bush wanted to be president, but he had to pretend to be a Liberal to get in - that would be demeaning to him.
 

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mariolopez158 said:
I Love This Country ;)
:)

Seriously, though, this progam is quite ridiculous. What, we need an immigration program targeted at strippers? We need a goverment department to monitor the exotic dancing industry for labour shortages?? WTF?!?

Don't get me wrong, I like EE dancers as much as the other guy (mmm...Romanian dancers...*drool*). But this is hardly the kind of program we need to spend taxpayers' money on. How about letting some of those university-trained applicants from EE countries do work in their actual fields of study like nursing, home care, and teaching? Imagine immigration programs that helped skilled workers find jobs in fields that addressed real social needs like health care and education? :rolleyes:

Not only does this program seem to prioritize the wrong things, it also leads to news stories like this one from India, which states "Exotic dancing could be your visa to Canadian citizenship. It may sound an odd job, but the Canadians can’t do without it." Great, just the way I like my country portrayed internationally: as a place where we're so desperate for lap dances that we have to import from outside!

As for being "forced to do it," I certainly hope that nobody is forcing dancers to come against their will -- although in reality I suspect at least some of them are victims of human trafficking. But the larger issue is what motivates these women to go into exotic dancing in the first place? While in most cases there may be no specific individual "forcing" them to do so, it is of course broader socio-economic factors (e.g., bleak job prospects and/or political instability in their home countries) that drives many EE women into this line of work. So, in a very real sense these women are "forced" into dancing, in that most would never voluntary choose this line of work if they had other viable options.

Cheers,

babyface
 

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Actually, it's been well-known that many impoverished Eastern European farm girls are pimped into the business by criminal elements and shipped off to the West to work as strippers and SPs.
 

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Personally, I worry about the AIDS infection rate in Eastern Europe & Russia. I think another thread also was commenting on strippers who moonlight as SPs in Eastern Canadian cities.

Think about the client who is out with the boys in GTA, is a little drunk & starts thinking with the little head & bam, BBFS. On monday he is on a plane to YVR. You fill in the rest. I know this is the argument for everything covered, but accidents happen & condoms break.

(donning fireproof suit)

OK, flame on...
 

Jodie

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LMAO!

planetman said:
"ON STRIKE" > jodie
No offence planetman, but I can't help but notice that the majority of the more prolific posters on this board don't even see escorts anyway (especially those who like to start "price-lowering" campaigns). :p
 

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"So they apparently canned this program today. I hope the media and all those who lobbied because they were offended will not forget about the women who just want to come to Canada to make a better life for themselves and lobby equally as hard to replace this with a more politically correct program."

Amen. You said it brother...
 

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lobby equally as hard to replace this with a more politically correct program.
I hope so too :)

Don't we have a near critical nursing staff shortage in this country? It would certainly be nice to see a program that would fund qualified nurses from other countries to get Canadian equivalency and/or accreditation as quickly and efficiently as possible, on the condition that they accept employment in a high-need area.

Now that would be a mutually beneficial arrangement!
 

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Jodie, I don't know if I quite agree with you. Our province/country produces more than a sufficient number of nurses and health care workers, it's the cutbacks and amalgamation of health regions that's the problem. There are actually events being put on across Canada by hospitals/States etc in the U.S. attempting to lure our trained folks down there. Good for them but bad for us. Anyway, the number of available people doesn't appear to be the problem, working conditions and available work is. I don't think we need to import people to fill jobs that should and can be filled by people we've already trained, if the jobs even exist at all.
 

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From the BC Nurses Union (http://www.bcnu.org):

BC's Nursing Shortage: Foreign Nurse Recruitment
The nursing shortage is creating an ever-growing crisis for British Columbians and it's undermining our ability to provide quality health care.

The BC Nurses' Union supports efforts to attract qualified nurses from overseas. But foreign recruitment is only a small part of the solution. Hong Kong is the only jurisdiction that doesn't have a nursing shortage. Every other country in the world is facing a nursing shortage.

Before foreign nurses can practise in British Columbia – they must meet the registration requirements of the Registered Nurses Association of British Columbia, and the Federal Government must approve landed immigrant status or a foreign worker visa. The Federal Government controls the immigration of foreign workers into Canada.

Independent Immigration (Landed Immigrant Status)

To qualify as independent immigrants, individuals must meet Immigration Canada's points requirement. The only way to do that is if their occupation is on the "general occupations list." Despite the nursing shortage, nursing still isn't on this list. For three years BCNU has been lobbying through the Canadian Federation of Nurses' Unions to get nursing on the occupation list.

Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP)

Failure by Canadian Immigration to register nursing on the "occupation list" causes many qualified Filipino and other foreign nurses to enter Canada in the Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP).The program requires them to work under a two year contract as a domestic worker. BCNU believes this program is a totally inappropriate use of their skills and qualifications. Immigration Canada should assist qualified nurses in the caregiver program to obtain RN employment before the two years is up.

Foreign Worker Recruitment Program

To enter Canada this way, the worker must have a full time job already guaranteed by a Canadian employer. Human Resources Development Canada requires evidence that no Canadian is available for the job. To get this evidence HRDC contacts BCNU to determine whether vacancies covered by the BCNU collective agreement have been properly posted, and Canadian nurses have been given access to the work. If the position is in a specialty area, such as ICU or emergency, BCNU will support the application for a visa provided Canadian nurses in the work site are offered specialty education. Because the nursing shortage is so severe, these conditions are usually met. Between April 1st, 2000 and February 20, 2001, BCNU has worked with the Human Resources Development Canada to grant 84 visas, a number greater than any other province.

Provincial Nominee Program

In addition, the provincial government under an agreement with Ottawa may fast track landed immigrant status for qualified nurses, provided the nurse has already been offered a full time job in BC and met the RNABC requirements. The program has set a goal to recruit 400 nurses for full-time positions by 2003.

Registration

The RNABC is charged with the responsibility of protecting the public, and must make sure that every nurse meets the educational standards established by the Nurses (Registered) Act. The Act stipulates that all applicants for registration must meet the requirements equivalent to nursing programs in BC. Interim permits are only granted to nurses from other countries once they meet educational standards and while they're waiting to write the RN exam.

A History of Support

Global News....Throughout BCNU's history, the union has fought for all nurses. In the 1980s when the Registered Nurses' Act changed, BCNU lobbied to create the Licensed Graduate Nurse title, protecting foreign educated nurses. These nurses were
working in British Columbia as nurses, but had not achieved registered nursing status. In the 1990s these nurses were again under attack when their jobs were deleted and they were not being hired by other employers. BCNU worked with the Health Care Labour Adjustment Agency (HLAA) to develop specific programs to assist these nurses to meet the full registered nursing standards of the RNABC.

The Resolution

Canada should ensure that we educate enough Canadians to become nurses. Currently, BC's post secondary schools graduate only half the number of nurses needed each year. BC must pay globally competitive wages to retain the nurses we need, attract back those who have left and attract new people to the profession.
 

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Union propaganda...do you know any nurses? Do they share that opinion? I do know several, they've attended the seminars, and a few are heading south. Not trying to start an argument, I just don't believe the union drivel. I will search other sources to substantiate your view and please feel free to correct me.
 

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I have knowledge of the health care system in the province and in the country. I've also spoken with dozens of nurses, physicians, support staff, and administrators in a consulting role.

I'm familiar with party lines from BCNU, HEU, and the BCMA, as well as management's side via HEABC. Their views actually don't differ that much. When you get the politicians involved, that's when you'll hear some big time spin doctoring.

About a third of all practicing nurses in BC are over 50 years old right now and eligible for early retirement and a pension at 55. The universities in BC won't graduate enough nurses to nearly fill that void, even if the older nurses hang in until they're 60.

At the other end of the spectrum, deteriorating working conditions, limited opportunities for advancement, and other factors are resulting in a significant percentage of younger nurses leaving the profession within 10 years of graduation.

An example of a shortage that made the local news in the past month was the privatizing of 1,000 surgeries from St. Paul's. The surgeries were sent to private clinics after 12 operating room nurses resigned at virtually the same time. No replacements could be found in the near term.

On the physician's side of the coin, right now in Vancouver city there are 30 general practices that are vacant. There are no doctors available or willing to fill them.

Check out the careers section of the websites for the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority, Fraser Health Authority, or the Vancouver Island Health Authority. Count the number of nursing positions that are advertised - only a fraction of those needed are advertised on those sites.

Without a WCB referral, the wait time to be seen by a hand specialist in Vancouver stands at more than 8 months right now. The reason is a lack of specialists in the field due to retirements - not cutbacks and not a lack of OR time.

All this said, it's a very complicated issue. Every hospital, every city, and every health region in BC faces different challenges. All are a combination of funding, staffing, cutting of related services like residential care for seniors that wind up affecting hospitals, differing demographics, etc. etc.

Quite a few people I've spoken with have gone south and returned after a time. Many who returned to BC tired of seeing two patients enter a US hospital with the same problem, where the one with insurance was treated, and the uninsured patient was told "nothing can be done." Most of the other issues returnees brought up relate to differences between living in the US relative to Canada.
 

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I know some nurses and doctors (not including some SPs who might like to play naughty nurse/doctor :) ).

The problems with the healthcare system are numerous. Two problems that certainly do exist are a shortage of funding and a shortage of qualified nurses and doctors.

A number of wards in existing hospitals have indeed been closed solely because there was insufficient money in the hospital's budget to run them, or because there were insufficient nurses to staff them.

In addition, some operating theatres in hospitals in BC have been closed solely due to shortage of nurses and surgeons.

There is no easy solution. It is sad and frustrating that there are trained doctors, nurses and caregivers from other countries already in Canada but working in menial jobs. If there was true political will on the federal and provincial governments to solve the shortage they would not only try harder to attract foreign trained medical personnel but also put into place financial assistance/training programs within Canada to help those foreign doctors/nurses already here to qualify for work as doctors/nurses in Canada.

Part of the problem seems to be the attitude of our professional licensing bodies ("no one from a third world country can be as good as anyone trained in Canada"). They also have a vested interest in shortages since shortages give them leverage for increasing salaries of the existing professional personnel.

There was a foreign trained surgon in Ontario working as a janitor in a hospital because he could not get licensed to work as a doctor from the Ontario medical profession. Although he passed all of the medical courses, tests and requirements with flying colours, they refused to licence him because he did not get a "high enough" mark in the English tests (note - he passed with quite a good mark - just not "high enough" as there was a minimum of 90% or something like that). He was interviewed on CBC radio and I thought his English was excellent and with very little accent. His English sounded to me a lot better than that of many of our existing doctors I've met who were trained in Canada but for whom English is a second language. It was not only after an outcry from the public, press and some politicians that the medical profession reviewed his case and eventually gave him his licence.

A shortage of doctors, surgeons and nurses definitely exists - and especially in areas of BC outside the Lower Mainland. Unless something is done to train more doctors and nurses, or to attract and train foreign doctors and nurses, the problem will only get worse as the population ages, the demands on health care increase and the existing doctors and nurses retire.
 

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Strippers perform demeaning work?
Hmmm, let's take a look at this:
Some poor fat bald slob has one thing & one thing only going for him. He has a wad of cash in his pocket. He goes to a strip bar, where the strippers play him, tease him, tantalize him, squeezing everything they can from him, moving on to the next guy when he's tapped out. Maybe she's highly educated, perhaps not in the least, it doesn't matter much. Her job is to sell this old guy on a fantasy so he actually believes: "She really likes me! I've a real chance with someone like her!"

So I ask you, who's the one being demeaned & exploited?
 

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It would be interesting to see just how many potential new nurses etc the educational system produces per year.
 

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The Lizard King said:
It would be interesting to see just how many potential new nurses etc the educational system produces per year.
And it would be amazing if you actually did some work to verify the facts on this issue before you spout off.

I'd say you're a stereotypical 20-something.
 

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I'm asking a question you stupid fuck. And besides, I welcomed Lolita to correct me....meaning it's an uneducated opinion on the subject. Spouting off? Nope. 20-something? I wish...

Now go fuck yourself...
 
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