extortion?

[wolverine]

According to the news, Nick Lysyk was being extorted by the SPs he was sugar-daddying. Apparently he was non-confrontational and easily manipulated by the SPs and their SOs.

The extortion thing kinda makes you think twice about getting personally involved with SPs, does it not? Of course, not many of us have $16 million to kick around. But do any of you worry about this? That one day, some SP tries to blackmail you because you're a pooner?

 

[eskie]

Be Thankful for Small Favours

Luckily, I'm too small a fish to fry in the extortion arena, as I think most pooners are. I'm pretty sure the average SP takes home more than the average pooner, and so isn't worth their time, even if they were so motivated.

However, if I was a local celebrity or a rich man, I would definitely worry about it. Like it or not, this biz operates on the fringes of legality, and unsavoury characters are so common that you can flick a used condom and chances are you'll hit one.

Interestingly, I think that most in the biz and associated with the biz have have a fairly standard code of ethics; they simply apply it to a smaller group (ie., their friends and people they trust) than the average schmoe. Depending on which side of the fence you are on, things can seem quite normal actually.

I think extortion and being out-and-out muscled would be a rarity. More likely, if would be much more subtle, like "Hey, my car got broken into again!" That sort of thing.

To be fair, rich guys can get used in any walk of life. But the high-money, high-emotion aspect of pooning makes it ripe for the pickings for those who go down that road.

Like any walk of life, it's all about who you trust. If I worried about extortion by an SP or her SO, I would only give out personal information on a quid pro quo basis. At least if all else crumbles down in the relationship, the blackmail would be mutual.

(wow, what a depressing subject...)

P.S. I guess Lysyk didn't have $16 million to kick around either.

 

[massagedude]

I've seen both Pam and April/Carmen, and find it hard to believe they were extorting him, although what do I know.

 

[PoonMaster]

Hey

Extortion and organized crime go hand in hand. Does this leave you any doubts about who is running these establishments anymore? Another reason I do not use MP's anymore. This does focus a bad spotlight on the MPs in Edmonton and will assist LE is making further investigations into the scene. All they needed is a door to open for them further......

 

[Pussyman]

What A Bunch Of B.S.

Lysyk saying that he was being extorted and pressured into stealing the money is a big load of CRAP! This petty thief knew exactly what he was doing and why. The ladies at MPs can be very intimidating. Yea right! In one of the articles it says his daughter and son-in-law showed up at the bank and insisted he buy them an expensive car they wanted and he felt obligated to do it. How weak is this dudes character. All he had to do was go to the cops right from the start. Sorry but he's just a greedy bastard who thought he'd never get caught.

I don't think all this recent exposure will make a difference in how LE treat MPs. There seems to be a good relationship going between the two. The police have a lot more pressing things to worry about. Get rid of the MPs and you'll see a lot more SWs and a lot more guys cruising the streets for them. That's a given. I'd be more worried about the new city council that's to be elected and how many brownie points they will want to score with the public.

I stand to be corrected but I believe the picture of the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXwXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Pamela ex of Penthouse was also heavily involved as well as this Lillian Green who received a paltry 3.5 million. I think she worked at Ambrosia at the time. There seems to be a number of other SPs involved but their names have never come up. These three seemed to be his favourites.

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[WalterMitty]

Well, there was a list of about 10 SPs in the Journal today (page A2)...didn't recognize any by their civilian names though.

Walter

 

[Pussyman]

Hey

Extortion and organized crime go hand in hand. Does this leave you any doubts about who is running these establishments anymore? Another reason I do not use MP's anymore. This does focus a bad spotlight on the MPs in Edmonton and will assist LE is making further investigations into the scene. All they needed is a door to open for them further......

Hey dude let's not carried away. I know a number of the ladies who own MPs in town and they are some of the most nicest, honest, hard working and law biding people you'll want to meet. They are buisness woman who are just trying to make a living. Same goes for the girls working for them. Sure there might be some bad apples, but there is in any walk of life. To paint MPs and SPs in the same brush as street prostitution or strip clubs is just wrong.
All this recent exposure won't make an iota of difference on how LE treats MPs. If anything they should be investgating more white collar criminals such as this scumbag of a Lysyk. I hope he gets to like his new boyfriends in the slammer. Don't drop the soap dude!!!

 

[Commander Chode]

Sure there might be some bad apples, but there is in any walk of life. To paint MPs and SPs in the same brush as street prostitution or strip clubs is just wrong.

According to news reports 9 escorts received over $50000. In April 2003 there were 106 licensed escorts in Edmonton. 8.5% or 1 in 12 escorts were willing to use this man as a sugar daddy. We have no idea if none, some, or all of them were extorting him, but 1 in 12 is more then "some bad apples".

Still you have take the population as a whole into account. Last I heard 10% of Canadians have criminal records.

 

[PoonMaster]

In a perfect world

In a perfect world it would be nice to think that all the MP parlors are run by nice ladies helping others who enjoy the lifestyle to get a good start in life. However the reality is that this is not the case. There are many cases where MP, SW and Agencies have been and continue to be run by organized individuals. This is a fact. I stopped using MPS 10 years ago for some of the reasons listed in this thread. The other reason was the many of the MPs told me at that time I was visiting, they saw between 20 and 30 guys in a month. I also liked to think that the money that is exchanged hands is going to the indy SP instead of her getting a cut from the pimp running the Agency, MP or SW service. Some SP's at the upper end see 3 to 4 customers a month which is less than some of the women you can pick up in a bar. Safer, even if they do cost a bit more. I think it is worth it since I enjoy the lifestyle

 

[wolverine]

Just so that there's no misunderstanding - some SPs and MPs do have gang affiliations, many others do not.

eskie, good point about the mutual blackmail. I know most SPs won't blackmail their clients because they risk exposure too. Many of them are working incognito and are keeping their SPing activities hidden from family and friends. Many are pursuing other careers, so why would any of them jeopardize any of that? If anything, the ones likely to do any blackmailing are those who've made SP industry their one and only career and likely won't bother to hide that from anyone they know.

 

[digger]

From the Edmonton Sun:

"One of the escorts listed in the agreed facts is Melanie Dmytrow, a former masseuse and SUNshine Girl. She received $773,049 in stolen bank funds from Lysyk.

When contacted after Lysyk's Aug. 8, 2002, arrest, Dmytrow broke down in tears, saying she believed she would lose her home, her vehicle and other belongings. At the time, she maintained she "had no idea" the money was stolen. "

Isn't this April formerly of Pleasure Point, now Carmen of Sinderellas?

If I'm wrong, please let me know.

Incidentally, I don't buy the "extortion" thing for a second.

 

[Pussyman]

Re: In a perfect world

In a perfect world it would be nice to think that all the MP parlors are run by nice ladies helping others who enjoy the lifestyle to get a good start in life. However the reality is that this is not the case. There are many cases where MP, SW and Agencies have been and continue to be run by organized individuals. This is a fact.

Dude what makes you a freakin expert on the subject? Like I asked before why are you lumping all MPs together with Escort agengies, Streetwalkers and organized crime. You say that's a fact, well lets see your proof. Frankly I think you've been watching too much of the Sopranos. Hey here's a thought. Maybe your garbage man is a member of the mafia as well!!

 

[Pussyman]

Re: In a perfect world

I also liked to think that the money that is exchanged hands is going to the indy SP instead of her getting a cut from the pimp running the Agency, MP or SW service.

I don't know what kind of MPs you have in cowtown my friend, but to insinuate and call the fine ladies that own and operate our local studios, "PIMPS" is a total insult to them and our intelligence. Shame on you dude. If you've had bad personal experiances in the hobby don't be taking it on everyone in the buisness and painting them all with the same brush.

 

[PoonMaster]

Thanks Jub

There will always be pimps, ladies and johns, unless you are dealing with a professional companion that only answers to herself. Anyone who takes a cut of her work is a pimp.

 

[Pussyman]

Anyone who takes a cut of her work is a pimp.

Then the Federal Government must be the Pimp of all Pimps because they seem to be taking all my money and giving it to their friends and relatives just like Nick Lysyk.

 

[trawler]

P_Man ...

a very acuurate and frustrating truism!!

 

[PoonMaster]

The government provides services, a pimp gets money for doing basically nothing. That is why the LE goes after them first and has a greater penalty structure for dealing with them in the justice system.

Nick worked for BOM not CCRA. Nick never took money from SP's he stole money from BOM and then gave to SPs. Pimps take from the SP's for themselves.

 

[azen]

um....i'm only on the first page of this thread and biting my tongue as much as i can. vocal as i am i will try to keep this response as "TACTFUL AND "NICE"" as i can. STEREOTYPING!!!! there's a word for you!!!!! you want to talk ripping off!!! ask me about it!!!!! this happens both ways and folks like me who don't ask for more than offered are hitting the bottom regardless of what i give when asked!!!!! don't judge all of us sp's based on a few %$^%^%*&(*!!!!!!! that continue to be determined to add credibility to a general and UNFAIR stereotype to hard working individuals in this field. HARD WORKING!!!!! get the ^%^5 over it and base your accusations INDIVIDUALLY as we all work and should be addressed INDIVIDUALLY!!!!! SUCH AS YOU EXPECT!! who the hell do ...........never mind!!!! my point is ALL SHOULD NOT BE "JUDGED" AND STEREOTYPED BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC CHARACTERIZATIONS of a service provided that is much more respectable and honest than publicized!!!!!! safe and professional and clear on expectations....next time the accussors go to the bar and wake up wanting to chew the arm off to get away and are unsure of their safety precautions used due to their idiotics, desires and motives/actions to get it....judge your actions against those of a safe, unthreatening, and professional provider!!!! i ask this question, extortion of a sd....how is this different from what anyone does to manipulate another person to get what they want from a consumer in any field, whether it's $$$ or taking home one under the influence of whatever, selling a car, or selling a service of any sort, etc etc!!!! this is a very broad subject!! treated and given a reputation and characterized as poorly and disrespectfully as sp's are....in the same position...what would you do when taken advantage of and judged and treated as disrespectfully as the involved could have been.
the ignorant...pls don't be typical and accuse me of being jaded. it's my honest thought. if i've been taken advantage of and seen others taken advantage of due to requesters stereotypes of who we are, where we came from, education, social status, your beliefs on what we deserve, etc...i see these ignorances and crimes only as a lesson to learn from and a means of strengthening my own self, and increases my sorry feeling for those who continue their ignorance and more obvious exposure of their own lack of self respect and ethics. i don't apologize for the level of tact or lack of, in my thoughts on this subject!!!
azen