Does God Exist

[GangsterDante]

Subject: Does God really exists



The university professor challenged his students with this question:



"Did God create everything that exists?"



A student bravely replied "Yes, he did!"



"God created everything?" the professor asked.



"Yes sir," the student replied.



The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil
since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we
are, then God is evil."



The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students
that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.



Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question
professor?"



"Of course," replied the professor.



The student stood and asked, "Professor does cold exist?"



The professor replied "Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"



The students snickered at the young man's question.



The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to
the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat.



Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.



Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat. Cold does
not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no
heat.



The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"



The professor responded, "Of course it does."



The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir. Darkness does not
exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can
study, but not darkness.



In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors
and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness.
A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it.
How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light
present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what
happens when there is no light present."



Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?"



Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said.
We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.
It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil."



To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.



God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does
not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when
there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."



No one remembers the name of the Professor, but we have all heard of the
student.



His name was Albert Einstein.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

And that's . . . the rest of the story.

This sure sounds a lot like a Paul Harvey riff.

Good day!

 

[chiefwiggum]

Scam.

Lie.

Urban legend.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/e/einstein-god.htm

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

Good God, boys, do some a little internet research before you post this stuff

Here are some actual documented quotes from Einstein on religion:

http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_AEinstein.htm

 

[tarzan]

The student has a point.
Then again, who can argue with Einsten. Afterall, he taught us that everything is relative in the universe didn't he.

 

[VicGuy36]

Even if this were Einstein's remarks (in fact, for an argument for theism, it's irrelevant who made the remarks), if this is a so-called proof for the existence of god, it hardly proves the existence of the God of the Judeo, Christian, Islamic tradition (i.e. all powerful, all knowing, beneficient, dispenser of justice, etc.).

 

[georgebushmoron]

Too bad this concept was attributed to Einstein. It's origin in this form is Islamic. It has a different variation in the Judaic tradition. It is completely absent in the Christian tradition except in the early Christian times. Current Christian thought neatly compartmentalises God as Good and Satan as Evil and only reconciles the coexistence of the two in but the simplest of terms (it appears Islam is beginning to do so as well, and Judaism has long been lost in the path of self-abasement). With this in mind, it is no wonder that Christians, of all the religions, are the greatest perpetrators of human tragedy in the history of the world (including the recent relatively minor events of terrorism). But that's another topic.

The existence of God can't be rationalized within the human framework of logic because God precedes the creation of matter, physics, all forms of logic, and even Good and Evil (at least our concepts of them). If you can imagine a world where time and space and logic do not exist, you might have a chance at explaining whether God exists.
The sentience of each Man is the only available means by which we can know of the existence of God; to which I refer this quote from Einstein:

The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery-- even if mixed with fear -- that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds -- it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.
This was in the content provided by the link provided by chiefwiggum
http://atheism.about.com/library/qu...q_AEinstein.htm

 

[mick_eight]

Recent research has shown some evidence that the brain maybe hard wired for a concept of the big kahoona or whatever you want to call it,some high learner types have proven that a section of the brain has some unlearned focus on a so called god gene, and for the anal types fuck the references, do your own research .

 

[gotsome2004]

"If god exists, then man's a slave. But man can and must be free therefore god does not exist" M. Bakunin

 

[mustangjoe]

"If god created man, then who created god?" - MustangJoe

 

[Gruss-ly]

God or not a God... that is the question.

...the answer of course is not. The concept, in all it's myriad forms, is a creation of the human mind and this concept has gained complexity and a life of it's own. It is no longer possible to negate the concept without negating the minds where it exists. Scary but true... best just try to get along and play nice.

 

[bigmoe69er]

The deity concept is an expression of mythology; nature is reality.

---Dr. Moe

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

The deity concept is an expression of mythology; nature is reality.

You say diety, I say DATY
Tomay-to, tomah-to
Potay-to, potah-to
Let's call the whole thing off!

 

[eljudo]

"If god created man, then who created god?" - MustangJoe

If god doesnt exist, then certainly you must believe in evolution.
If thats the case, then an entity eons ago, may have evolved into something that we are not familiar with, nor carbon based.. who knows what it or they may have evolved into.

Now, if thats the case, then whatever evolved into a higher being may have left us in the dust ( in the evolutionary ladder ) for example, the difference between us and the common bacteria. We are gods to them. We can kill them with bleach or cultivate it. Homo Sapiens has then evolved so far ahead of the common bacteria , that we dont even think twice to kill it, study it, or simply ignore it.

If you believe in evolution and the big bang theory.. theres trillions , uncountable number of stars, galaxies and planets.. something out there must have evolved out of mud pool. If it started evolving while the terra was still forming out of stellar dust and debris.. then its intelligents beings should be a lot farther ahead of us in the evolutionary race.

Unless of course, earth life, is a freak experiment which has not been repeated ELSEWHERE in the known universe, never to be repeated again.. and not meant to be..

So in simplistic term, god DOES exists.

 

[logsplitter]

"If god created man, then who created god?" - MustangJoe

Imagine this. While it is widely held that it is impossible to travel in time there are well studied theorists that say it may be possible. Taking that a step further I propose that he/she that first travels in time becomes god! To go back in time means you can change the outcome in the future if you meddle with the past. He who goes back to the very beginning can become the beginning??

There is also that nagging question of whether the world today is visited by UFO's and aliens. Could the aliens be from our future traveling in time and viewing their past? This would go a long way to explain why such folks (if they ever existed at all) are reported to visit but seldom mix with the locals. Perhaps they did not want to change the history of their own origins.

 

[georgebushmoron]

If god doesnt exist, then certainly you must believe in evolution.

If you believe in evolution, as scientific facts bear out that you should, then should that preclude the notion of the existence of God?

If thats the case, then an entity eons ago, may have evolved into something that we are not familiar with, nor carbon based.. who knows what it or they may have evolved into.

Now, if thats the case, then whatever evolved into a higher being may have left us in the dust ( in the evolutionary ladder ) for example, the difference between us and the common bacteria. We are gods to them. We can kill them with bleach or cultivate it. Homo Sapiens has then evolved so far ahead of the common bacteria , that we dont even think twice to kill it, study it, or simply ignore it.

We are gods to common bacteria? Can we truly create them then (and I don't mean cultivate them which is simply setting the conditions for mating or regeneration)?

If you believe in evolution and the big bang theory.. theres trillions , uncountable number of stars, galaxies and planets.. something out there must have evolved out of mud pool. If it started evolving while the terra was still forming out of stellar dust and debris.. then its intelligents beings should be a lot farther ahead of us in the evolutionary race.

Unless of course, earth life, is a freak experiment which has not been repeated ELSEWHERE in the known universe, never to be repeated again.. and not meant to be..

So in simplistic term, god DOES exists.

Your reasoning is flawed. Your argument is based on 2 points, that a) if we are the only intelligent life form in the universe then there must be a God because of the improbability of it signals some kind of authorship. b) On the other hand, if we are not the only intelligent life form in the universe then in all probability there are life forms with much greater intelligence, and if they are compared to us they would be gods just as we appear to be gods to bacteria.

a) the improbability or signs of authorship prove nothing. If it was highly improbable then it is highly improbable and that is all. High improbability still means there is a chance of occuring, and just because it occurs despite the improbable chances doesn't mean a God exists. Nor do signs of authorship prove that God exists. If we are here by design, it could be explained by highly intelligent beings transferring and adapting life from elsewhere for the earthly climate.

b) the existence of much more intelligent life forms does not prove the existence of God. First of all, because they are more intelligent doesn't mean they are gods to us by comparison. A God creates matter from nothing, sentient beings from nothing, space where no such thing as space existed, and time where time never existed. By this definition, no being made of the same matter as us can possibly be a God.

I think based on your reasoning, you are as likely to believe that God doesn't exist as you think God exists because your reasoning does not even bear internal logical consistency.

It's too bad that this topic is so rife with misinformation from the major religions, automatically held in derision by the scientific community, and dumbed down by fools. That many human beings have some sense that a Supreme Being exists somewhere somehow is a precious thing and is the seed of compassion. For without it, you and I are just organic matter that comes to life by regeneration and can be destroyed at will without care for its value because organic matter has no more inherent value than do minerals except for its present utility. With Karla Homolka, and terrorists, and perversion of Islam and Christianity, and fucking SPs for the bottom dollar, and betraying your SO, and looking for that narcissistic free sex, how many will pause to look at the humanity of it all?

I know this post won't reach 90% of you. Most will just ignore it, or turn away in disgust, or call me an idiot. It doesn't matter to me what 90% of you think. You'll just go about your daily business and keep finding new ways to jack off as you usually do as though these things were the most paramount things in life. On the other hand, the remaining 10% might find this post interesting and derive some value from it. That's my hope. And I do realise that I am one of the wretched so I don't hold my opinion above yours as long as your motive is sincere and free of hatred.

 

[Gruss-ly]

"That many human beings have some sense that a Supreme Being exists somewhere somehow is a precious thing and is the seed of compassion."



... so atheists and agnostics not to mention animals other than humans do not feel compassion???

 

[rickoshadows]

Too bad this concept was attributed to Einstein. It's origin in this form is Islamic. It has a different variation in the Judaic tradition. It is completely absent in the Christian tradition except in the early Christian times. Current Christian thought neatly compartmentalises God as Good and Satan as Evil and only reconciles the coexistence of the two in but the simplest of terms (it appears Islam is beginning to do so as well, and Judaism has long been lost in the path of self-abasement). With this in mind, it is no wonder that Christians, of all the religions, are the greatest perpetrators of human tragedy in the history of the world (including the recent relatively minor events of terrorism). But that's another topic.

The existence of God can't be rationalized within the human framework of logic because God precedes the creation of matter, physics, all forms of logic, and even Good and Evil (at least our concepts of them). If you can imagine a world where time and space and logic do not exist, you might have a chance at explaining whether God exists.
The sentience of each Man is the only available means by which we can know of the existence of God; to which I refer this quote from Einstein:

The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery-- even if mixed with fear -- that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds -- it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.
This was in the content provided by the link provided by chiefwiggum
http://atheism.about.com/library/qu...q_AEinstein.htm

Who are you? and what did you do to georgebushmoron?

rickoshadows

 

[mick_eight]

''The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us: and I for one must be content to remain a Agnostic.'' I think a Agnostic would be the more correct discription of my state of mind. The whole subject of God is beyond the scope of man`s intellect........Charles Darwin......................If it`s good enough for Chuck, it`s good enough for me.

 

[georgebushmoron]

"That many human beings have some sense that a Supreme Being exists somewhere somehow is a precious thing and is the seed of compassion."



... so atheists and agnostics not to mention animals other than humans do not feel compassion???

I understand how you are drawing that conclusion, but it is not my intention. I should have been more careful about my use of words. I should have said, "The existence of a Supreme Being is, I believe, the seed of compassion. Many human beings sense this existence and that compassion (because of creation of life) flows from this."

Sorry its a hard concept for me to try to explain. Even reading my re-wording I am not totally satisfied to put into words my understanding. I'll leave this topic as it is unless there is more interest.

 

[American Male]

Favourite God quotes

I like the following GENUINE Einstein quote about God.

"I cannot believe that God plays dice with the cosmos."

This is actually more of a commentary on quatuum mechanics, which Einstein had some trouble seeing as being applicable at the cosmic level.

My favourite, however, comes from the French philosopher Voltaire.

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him."

And as far as proofs for the existence of God go, there really are none that do a completely adequate job. The best I have read come from Thomas Aquinas and are known as his five cosmological proofs. He wrote these as part of his great work, the Summa Theologica. If you are interested in reading them, here is a link to read them.

http://www.jcu.edu/philosophy/gensler/RE/R-B2--00.HTM