You're in error. Don't kid yourself on this one. Yes, there was opposition to Hitler, and yes opposition didn't survive long, but Hitler was very very popular with a HUGE segment of the German population. Those adoring crowds at Nuremburg were for real.smackyo said:
Der Untergang / The Downfall
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lol, swing kids "disgusted" you. haha your too much sometimes mangeorgebushmoron said:
. like i said it wasn't a movie that changed my life but what about was so disgusting?by the way..................... yaay i'm downloading "the downfall" i'll buy the dvd if i like it.
What struck me about Bruno Ganz’s portrayal of Hitler was the way he made him banal and ordinary, like a dumpy old German guy, which was probably his intention. The way Hitler was portrayed by Hollywood on the other hand
made him into a cliché, a stereotype, an exaggerated evil, which actually helped perpetuated his myth. But Hitler was a façade, a self imposed mask of something heroic which he wasn’t., and the worst thing Hitler would have wanted was to be portrayed as ordinary as Ganz had successfully made him out to be.
Almost every European state in the 20’s and 30’s went fascist, or leaned heavily in that direction as a result of economic depression, social unrest and military unrest by disillusioned world war I veterans. The way out of a chaotic socio-economic situation was through discipline, and unfortunately for Europe, Germany, being made up of a well organized and duty bound people proved to be particularly efficient in a fascist state. The people were more at fault by making the National Socialist movement a success through their support, but bear in mind that Germans thought they were part of an exciting social movement to make their country better. It wasn’t until after the war they realized that it was all an illusion.
But speaking of Swing Kids, that reminds me of a book and CD I have
about a Jazz band during the Second World War, or what the allies termed “Hitler’s Band”. Before the Allied invasion of Normandy, The Germans brought together the best Jazz musicians of occupied Europe, probably the best Jazz band ever put together, and they performed over the air waves to England, to not just entertain with music, but lace the songs with propaganda lyrics, and cat calls were made against English and Americans soldiers in between songs. Very entertaining to listen to.
made him into a cliché, a stereotype, an exaggerated evil, which actually helped perpetuated his myth. But Hitler was a façade, a self imposed mask of something heroic which he wasn’t., and the worst thing Hitler would have wanted was to be portrayed as ordinary as Ganz had successfully made him out to be.
Almost every European state in the 20’s and 30’s went fascist, or leaned heavily in that direction as a result of economic depression, social unrest and military unrest by disillusioned world war I veterans. The way out of a chaotic socio-economic situation was through discipline, and unfortunately for Europe, Germany, being made up of a well organized and duty bound people proved to be particularly efficient in a fascist state. The people were more at fault by making the National Socialist movement a success through their support, but bear in mind that Germans thought they were part of an exciting social movement to make their country better. It wasn’t until after the war they realized that it was all an illusion.
But speaking of Swing Kids, that reminds me of a book and CD I have
about a Jazz band during the Second World War, or what the allies termed “Hitler’s Band”. Before the Allied invasion of Normandy, The Germans brought together the best Jazz musicians of occupied Europe, probably the best Jazz band ever put together, and they performed over the air waves to England, to not just entertain with music, but lace the songs with propaganda lyrics, and cat calls were made against English and Americans soldiers in between songs. Very entertaining to listen to.
was at best buy looking at tv's and i thought i'd see if they had it since all my attempts at downloading it were in dutch subtitle. they had it so i picked it up at the gleaming reccomendation of gbm. he was right. awesome movie. i just can't really say enough about it.
it was an interresting point of view. i can maybe see jewish groups point in not liking the movie cause there were times when i almost kind of felt bad for ol' adolph. but i don't think the movie should be banned and anyone with any sort of brain knows that what hitler did was not a good thing and i really doubt they would be influenced by feelings of empathy for for the guy.
it was an interresting point of view. i can maybe see jewish groups point in not liking the movie cause there were times when i almost kind of felt bad for ol' adolph. but i don't think the movie should be banned and anyone with any sort of brain knows that what hitler did was not a good thing and i really doubt they would be influenced by feelings of empathy for for the guy.
So very glad you liked it! Now I'm trying my hand at figuring out how to imitate some of those Adolph gestures, like trapesing around with one hand behind my back shaking it nervously. Perhaps when I get to be around 55 I'd like to have that kind of aura and angst. What a terrific temper too!smackyo said:
YOU ALL BETRAYED ME!!! YOU FUCKING NO GOOD YOU CALL YOURSELF SOLDIERS??!!!?? YOU SHOULD BE SHOT RIGHT NOW!!! I'LL PULL THE TRIGGER MYSELF!!!
the temper tantrums were the best. the best one was when hitler finds out that that general(i forget his name)couldn't scrounge up the soldiers for an attack and he asks everyone to leave the room in a very calm voice except for the three generals and then goes fucking bizzerck.georgebushmoron said:
then everyone was out in the hall able to hear it. kinda funny in a way. didn't know hitler was a vegetarian though. now i have some ammo for vegetarian hippys that try to force their practice on me.
"hey guess what you and hitler have in common????"
