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Daty and BBBJ are potential ways of contracting an STD.

Poseidon

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Daty and BBBJ, why aren't the services complimenary provided by an sp?

Why is it that SPs regularly like receiving DATY (unprotected) and they normally don’t like giving BBBJ to the client or don’t provide the service. I think it’s hypocritical to say that sps are more at risk when really both parties are at risk of getting an STD from unprotected oral sex. I think if an SP should receive DATY (unprotected), the client should receive BBBJ in return. I may be flamed for these comments but I’m just trying to find some equality and compromise. I'm not saying that all SPs should offer BBBJ. But why do some SPs have unprotected Daty when they don't offer BBBJ in their service....kind of a double standard if you ask me.
 
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Lolita

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Kahuna is right, to a point. And so are you, Poseidon. This is a very sticky issue, but a logical one. A client has less of a risk of contracting an STD from an SP is a) doesn't partake in BBBJ,
b) relatively higher priced, and c) how many lesbians do you know had an STD from "lesbian sex"? In fact lesbians have the lowest STD contraction. They would have to have a cut or open sore to contract an STD. Whereas, performing BBBJ the rules have changed, the SP has in greater risk of picking a nasty bug up from SKIN TO SKIN contact (syphilis, herpes, gonorrhea), and can be passed on several times over if the client is ASYMPTOMATIC.
 

HowieMeeker

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And I get shite for being biased!!

WHAT??!!!

Lolita says "A client has less risk of contracting an (sic) STD from an (sic) SP (that) is relatively higher priced".

WTF?!?!?!?!?! In all my years playing this game, the only issue I got myself into re. that area of no fun was from the second highest price I ever paid in Vancouver (just over $$$ for an hour - yup, in my dumber days).

Your statement has no basis unless you are bringing the street into this. In fact, at least in this town, some of the "relatively higher priced" ladies have been doing this for a longer while than the new, lower priced, ladies. Are you implying that because a gent pays more he is likely "cleaner?". What is colour of sky in your world if you believe this?

Play safe everyone.
 

Poseidon

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Lolita,

I agree with Howie. Your "B" reason makes no sense. Unless your generalizing the fact that lower priced SP's or SWs are at higher risk because they see more clients, compared to higher priced SPs. Is this proven? Do you have studies, research material to back up your claim?

All - Play safe and do you regular check ups (especailly sps with riskier services...don't want to spread the STDs on this board and beyond do we?)
 

HowieMeeker

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Sodomania - clearly safe (???!!!???)

Futhermore------

Not implying ANYTHING, but one of the "higher priced" SPs and defender of rates being high is a featured performer on Sodomania.

All I know is certain behaviours are riskier and MANY SPs in this market charge more for such behaviours so if anything, your "B" reason, Lolita, may in fact be inversely correct.

Just an observation. TTFN.
 

HowieMeeker

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Girl97

Wake up girly - you have NO idea about your client's history. NONE.

Also, bringing the street into the argument is not consistent with the original issue.

Fact remains - just coz you charge more does NOT make it any better for you in terms of the STD issue. Perfect examples include Sodomania or the large number of "well heeled" gents who have such diseases and then have high risk adventures as they can "Pay for them".

Fact remains, play safe regardless of price. But don't delude yourself into thinking that by charging more that you are safer somehow. That is both naive and, for your sake I hope not, potentially devastating.
 

R the Man

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It's interesting to me that there are many threads about the risks of BBBJs on PERB.

However, in Toronto, I would venture to say that BBBJ is, if not standard, then done by the majority of SPs.

So, there are obvious attitude differences about BBBJs between pooning regions.
 

shank

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BBBJ

Quite common in the UK with many SPs even saying so in their advertisment. Not too common in Australia.
 

oberon1999

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Victoria-Lee said:
Ok this is the first post that pissed me off (takes alot to get my goat!)!!!! First off any person involved in the "hobby" is a moron if you do not think you put yourself at risk! I have friends who go out get drunk have drunk sex get sloppy with condom use and get STD's.....I have been working in the field for 7 months, get tested every 2 weeks for STD's (working in the porn industry the testing mandate is VERY strict) and knock on wood I have yet to catch anything! You can get a damn STD from a girlfriend or someone you date casually outside the hobby. WE KNOW THE RISKS! If this is somehthing you didn't know going into the hobby...then well......I'm not sure what the hell to say. If a girl will allow you to do DATY it's your right to use a dental dam or even as ask for a covered BJ. But when you start a post making it sound like "it's not fair" that a girl allows DATY but only does covered BJ then it sounds to me like STD's are really not the main concern your just more upset the menu doesn't meet your needs. Hence why the REVIEWS exist! Read the reviews, and post reviews so you know what your getting yourself into.

Howie you are correct rates don't equal safety! A good provider who values her well being and her clients will be tested on a regular basis. I'm not out to hurt anyone....just to have a good time!
Victoria, good post ... That's all I'm ever going to say about the BBBJ DATY crap again, you're all adults decide what risks you want to take... get your info from a doctor not here jesus...

oberon
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Groo39

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Re: And I get shite for being biased!!

HowieMeeker said:
Are you implying that because a gent pays more he is likely "cleaner?"
Obviously price in and of itself does not make a difference, but SPs who are charging mid-high prices tend to be more serious about the business. They're less likely to be ill-informed about the risks of what they do, they're less likely to be pressured into following through with sessions they're uncomfortable about, and are more in control of what risks they're willing to take.

The low end SPs are obviously willing to "settle for less" in terms of cash, which often means they're willing to cut prices in hopes of making it up with volume. Someone who's after volume is trying to maximize profit, and is thereby more likely to take extra risks for extra cash. Volume is itself an increased risk for the SP and her clients.

The "bargain hunter" market is often the same clientelle that is going to try to obtain the maximum service list for the minimum price. If the goal is to get the most use out of the SP for the dollar, it's clear that she's not being treated with any respect, and she's ok with that.

If someone doesn't expect to be treated with respect, they don't have much self-worth, which is another way of saying they don't care about themselves. People who don't care what happens to them are more likely to take stupid risks.
 

Groo39

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likesdeladies said:
The doc lays it out for me and advises against a test given the possible implications to my insurance coverage.
First off, I seriously doubt that being responsible about getting tests, physicals, shots, etc. in a timely fashion are going to be an insurance issue.

I am surprised at his attitude that "you'd know" if you were infected. Some STDs can be very hard to detect if you don't know what to look for, and some people don't exhibit signs of infection at all (rare, but it happens.)

If you are concerned enough to ask for a test, your doctor should provide it without further questions or grilling. If they press for a reason why, just tell them "you met someone new recently." If pressed further, you can mention something like "I'm no virgin, nor is she. We're just trying to be responsible."

If the doctor is still pressing for details, it's a perv with a degree, and you should smack them upside the head until they apologize for being too nosy.
 

Lolita

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I leave for a day and this is what happens. Sheesh! My only point regarding the second statement was that you get better quality if the client pays more. The SP generally takes better care of themselves and gets checked out on a regular basis.
Under no circumstances did I suggest that if a client pays more, he is more likely cleaner, case point, client came in and paid $350/hr (my standard rate), dropped his drawers to reveal dime-sized genital warts on his dick where I began to reem him out for not telling me up front, collected a consulation fee, shooed him out the door and proceeded to steam and chemical disinfect my love nest for the next three hours.
 

naughtygirl

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Just want to add my 2 cents. If an SP charges less than the norm doesn't necessarily mean they don't care about themselves. Nor, does it mean they make it up in volume either. Maybe some aren't corncerned about making 600-1000 a day. Realistically how much money do you need in a day to live comfortably? The same risks apply to all. Taking risks is always a part of life. good thing about being an adult is we have the choice to take them or not. To each their own. Everyone in the proffession and hobby probably already knows the importance of std testing.
 

Groo39

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likesdeladies said:
As it turns out there are insurance implications to a positive (HIV) test result...
I hate to say it, but if I test positive for HIV at some point in the future, my insurance is going to be pretty low on my list of concerns. I'm far more concerned about herpes, warts, and other STDs which aren't blocked by latex, or which are transmittable via skin-skin contact without open wounds/sores than I am about HIV.
 

The Happy Tapper

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Re: Daty and BBBJ, why aren't the services complimenary provided by an sp?

Poseidon said:
....why do some SPs have unprotected Daty when they don't offer BBBJ in their service....kind of a double standard if you ask me.
This is a little off topic, but also a little relevant....

I was with an SP, who, when I asked for DATY after my CBJ, declined but said "maybe next time." She told me she would bring some female-condoms; she called them "Realities" which I think was the actual name of the product. She said they're apparently very expensive and aren't readily available everywhere.

This was the first time an SP had ever offered me a "covered" DATY service, but considering she only did CBJ's, I wasn't suprised or offended. Personally, even though I immensely enjoy DATY, I am wary of "unkept greens." If the SP will allow DATY but keep the BJ covered, I have no problem with that because I'm taking a risk with DATY. SP's don't force pooners into DATY; we are offered it and most of us do it without any hesitation. If I wanted to, I could request the Realities if I didn't feel good about the situation, or decline altogether, which I have done before because of the "unkept green" syndrome.

Guys, I wouldn't complain about a double standard concerning DATY and BBBJ. They're offering themselves for money, they set the rules. Discuss the rules beforehand and if you don't like it then don't go for it.

Imagine every SP with Realities, what would you complain about then? It would be tit-for-tat (pardon the pun).
 

Groo39

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Re: Re: Daty and BBBJ, why aren't the services complimenary provided by an sp?

Lurker said:
This is a little off topic, but also a little relevant....

This was the first time an SP had ever offered me a "covered" DATY service, ...
Actually I recently had a session with an SP who'd recently finished her monthly vacation, and let me know she wasn't 100% sure she should be working (while booking the appointment, not after arriving.)

DATY is almost a must have in my books, but with the slightly higher risk of blood I thought it was time to try the cut-latex option.

Cut the tip, cut the remaining ring, and unroll.

You can't get as creative as with nothing in the way, and it kind of ties up your hands, but it works. Works quite well, actually. You lose flavour, moisture, and a bit of heat transfer (like we didn't already know that!), but you still get excellant tactile feedback.

Latex flexs much better than Saran Wrap, letting you follow the nooks and crannies better. Based on her vocal and flutter feedback, I'd actually have to say it works great. *g*
 

Johnsam

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Dental Dams

I got some on "The Drive" at Venables. Don't want to be accused of advertising so we'll leave it at that. Any sexshop should stock them and they can be purchased on the web. If you're too embarrassed to enter a sexshop you could snitch a few next time at the Dentist. Though I don't think the ones at the Dentist are scented.
 

lynne

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STD tests and insurance companies

Sort of belated, but regarding insurance companies and STD testing... InEdmonton there is a public health center run by Provincial Health that does confidential and free STD and HIV testing and insurance companies wouldn't know even they could pull provincial health care records because it is a confidential billing. Just FYI, hope this helps.
L.Jo
 

lynne

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Dam it!!!!

oh yeah, Reality Check...

Reality condoms are female condoms for sure, but I think what you guys are talking about for DATY are dental dams. These are hard to find, but made of latex, just like jimmies, just a flat sheet. They come flavored or not. If anyone is in E-town I can hook you up... we sell them for $2 ea, or the pharmacy on UofA campus. Otherwise, try cutting a flavored condom into a sheet and use that instead,,, cheaper and easier to find.

l.jo
 

Groo39

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R the Man said:
It's interesting to me that there are many threads about the risks of BBBJs on PERB.

However, in Toronto, I would venture to say that BBBJ is, if not standard, then done by the majority of SPs.

So, there are obvious attitude differences about BBBJs between pooning regions.
I certainly wouldn't say "most" provide BBBJ in the GTA, thought it does seem more readily available than in some areas. On the other hand, their provider market is big enough that you can find pretty much any preference you might have.

I myself might claim that T.O. has more "petite" SPs. Or could it be that is what I look for a lot of the time, and thereby find?
 
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