Brutal...just brutal.

[volks]

Hey all. This is from a post I wrote a little while earlier (see thread: TOFFT - Hush Vancouver). I had to move it here to give it more exposure. I TOFFT this week at an agency called "Hush Vancouver" and then received some very informative PMs about what may possibly be going on at this, and other agencies. I may have a limited moral conscience, but the thought of aiding in crime - that only ends up hurting people - gets to me. Here it is:

I just keep getting more PMs about the backstory of the SP agency scene. I know I cannot claim total naivete, but I just had not thought about the whole story. It seems very likely that any agency has crime connections, and someone is getting rich off the work of the girls; that, I cannot handle.

I desire to have moral standards. I always try to treat the SP with my utmost respect, and I respect what service they are providing. So I feel good about my self, this hobby has been good, and I'm not hurting anyone (except maybe myself, but that is not a topic to be discussed here). I've heard that there are girls who are forced into the industry, or are doing it for nothing while a fat f*ck collects all the cash. I just never thought I was visiting them. All my expereinces at agencies were quite good, and I rarely felt that the girls was being used.

So, that's it for me. I will never visit another agency, it will be strictly indies for me from this point on. This may sound bold and brash, but my limited moral conscience cannot handle knowing that it could be a bad situation. At least with a respectable independant provider I know that she has a good reputation, and is doing this job as an empowered, autonomous, individual, not being forced into it.

I cannot help but feel awful for visiting the Hush agency if all this is true. Even if it is not it has opened my eyes finally to the reality that has been staring me in the face, and I'm sorry for my ignorance.

volks.

 

[hitrack]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh I remeber Demi Moore at some agency in Richmond several years ago. She was hot!!!!

 

[shedevil]

It's your money

I just keep getting more PMs about the backstory of the SP agency scene. I know I cannot claim total naivete, but I just had not thought about the whole story. It seems very likely that any agency has crime connections, and someone is getting rich off the work of the girls; that, I cannot handle.

There are as many people looking to exploit you as there are waiting to fuck you. I hated being asked for shares of money that I earned.

So, that's it for me. I will never visit another agency, it will be strictly indies for me from this point on. This may sound bold and brash, but my limited moral conscience cannot handle knowing that it could be a bad situation. At least with a respectable independant provider I know that she has a good reputation, and is doing this job as an empowered, autonomous, individual, not being forced into it.

It's your cash. You can spend it where you want.

I cannot help but feel awful for visiting the Hush agency if all this is true. Even if it is not it has opened my eyes finally to the reality that has been staring me in the face, and I'm sorry for my ignorance.

volks.

The way that MOST (Not all, there are good ones...) agencies treat ladies is appalling.

I had one lady send me out at 5am to a hotel where the guy was very drunk.
(I am sure she could tell on the phone)It turned very bad when she called me out. I have never fled so quickly in my life. That was when it dawned on me that they don't care as much as they let you think they do. In the end, all they are looking for is their fee and they don't give a shit about your safety. Glad to be on my own. Wise decision.



SD

 

[Swguy]

Volks... I understand your concerns, but I gotta say that you're painting ALL agencies with a really broad brush. There are legit, well-run agencies and MP's in town. It just takes a lil time and research to find them.


SWG


ps. Shedevil.. I love the "advisory" in your sig... might hafta borrow it sometime..

 

[Very Veronica]

I stopped reading reviews altogether.

Some of them make me sick to my stomach.

Reminder #1. The name of this site is pacific escort REVIEW BOARD.

Reminder #2. Topic is the dark side of agencies...stick to it or stick a stocking in it.

 

[john23]

this paper is pretty good

This was a recent survey of people working in Victoria, our province's illustrious and forward thinking capital...

Benoit, C. and Millar, A. "Dispelling Myths and Understanding Realities: Working Conditions, Health Status, and Exiting Experiences of Sex Workers." http://web.uvic.ca/~cbenoit/papers/DispMyths.pdf �(accessed January 28, 2004).

from john lowman's bibliography (sfu criminology researcher who specializes in this stuff): http://users.uniserve.com/~lowman/index.html

 

[volks]

SWG - Thanks, I do agree that I am generalizing agencies here. In fact I am aware that there must be some that are equal opportunity and a good work environment. I don't know that I have the capacity to decide which are which. It may all seem good to the outsider, but from the SPs point of view it could be hell. However I am making a personal decision to stay away from agencies from now on.

I do not however expect that my little discussion will make others change their minds, maybe just think about it a little.

volks.

 

[paigesplaymate]

There are as many people looking to exploit you as there are waiting to fuck you. I hated being asked for shares of money that I earned.



It's your cash. You can spend it where you want.



The way that MOST (Not all, there are good ones...) agencies treat ladies is appalling.

I had one lady send me out at 5am to a hotel where the guy was very drunk.
(I am sure she could tell on the phone)It turned very bad when she called me out. I have never fled so quickly in my life. That was when it dawned on me that they don't care as much as they let you think they do. In the end, all they are looking for is their fee and they don't give a shit about your safety. Glad to be on my own. Wise decision.



SD

Not everyplace is like that, I have girls come through that have bad associations taking there money and the minute I find out theres a pimp, drugs and there gone. Not all agencies take all the girls money. I for one take for the booking, I don't care if the girl is there 1 hour or 15 hours as long as she is safe... Please dont group us all together. There are alot of good girls that work everywhere, some ladies can be indy cause there strong, Others have a hard time cause sometimes other girls, bad credit, the need for a man stand in the way... Just like every girl isnt cut from the same mold, ever agency isn't the same.. I pay my taxes and trust me Im far from rolling it in, Im confortable but most my earnings the gov't (my pimp) or the advertizing gets.

Good example is a lady named Sasha Sweets, GFE fun, I had her work for me for a short time, once I realized there was a pimp, there was drugs I told her she couldn't come back... I have all the voice mails and emails where she threatened me.. OMG if I wasn't the person I am just from the threats some 19 year old would have been scared shitless... Some people are leaders and some are followers, doesnt mean either is wrong, its wrong to take advantage but thats a persons charactor...

 

[shedevil]

No, Paige

You are THE best agency

I met a few that worked for you and hear only the best.

I have had a few bad experiences, but I don't feel that way about all of them.

I have worked for good MP's and agencies.

I wouldn't make such a huge generalization about all when most are good...

The way that MOST (Not all, there are good ones...) .

SD

I certainly would work for another if I decided to. Not in Winnipeg.

 

[paigesplaymate]

You are THE best agency

I met a few that worked for you and hear only the best.

I have had a few bad experiences, but I don't feel that way about all of them.

I have worked for good MP's and agencies.

I wouldn't make such a huge generalization about all when most are good...




I certainly would work for another if I decided to. Not in Winnipeg.

I have heard some really bad stories about that place, alot of girls have BEGGED me to open there but I have my hands full with what I have, plus I always tell the girls, DONT SHIT WHERE YOU EAT...

Im glad ya have heard good things, some like me some don't. I make mistakes like everyone but usually its by saying things I don't mean when Im pissed off. I don't like lairs and thieves and best way to explain it is I want to see my girls come back make money and get out of it before they start turnning jaded like many have and sometimes honesty hurts them... It took someone telling me one time those same things because I was young and stupid, (ifyourreadingtheboardyouknowwhoyouare27*winkwink) and it was a good life lesson... We have a hard enough time with this prof, as it is so why not try and give least a few of us a good name....
Im fighting a battle on a board called www.thecgn.com right now trying to deffend the industry but most are so blind that real nice people can run these things and work at them. I think that why I try and hit the papers and am not scared to put my real name out there. I want people to know Im not like the rest.

 

[starlet]

I agree not all are the same

yep!! I can vouch for Paige she is excellent to work for.. very straight up and cool.. and more than FAIR!!! I've worked for other good agencies too.. I dont really know if its the agencies you should worry about!! More like the pimps! Cheerz

 

[shedevil]

I have heard some really bad stories about that place, alot of girls have BEGGED me to open there but I have my hands full with what I have, plus I always tell the girls, DONT SHIT WHERE YOU EAT...

Im glad ya have heard good things, some like me some don't. I make mistakes like everyone but usually its by saying things I don't mean when Im pissed off. I don't like lairs and thieves and best way to explain it is I want to see my girls come back make money and get out of it before they start turnning jaded like many have and sometimes honesty hurts them... It took someone telling me one time those same things because I was young and stupid, (ifyourreadingtheboardyouknowwhoyouare27*winkwink) and it was a good life lesson... We have a hard enough time with this prof, as it is so why not try and give least a few of us a good name....
Im fighting a battle on a board called www.thecgn.com right now trying to deffend the industry but most are so blind that real nice people can run these things and work at them. I think that why I try and hit the papers and am not scared to put my real name out there. I want people to know Im not like the rest.

I'll help.
I wish you were in Peace River when I was there...

The same lady fell asleep on my calls and failed to call me out as well. Numerous times. You are in the ball. The shitty thing is when you put your safety in the hands of someone, and they don't take care of you.

I would assume you wouldn't have been in business for so long if you weren't reputable.

SD

 

[paigesplaymate]

yep!! I can vouch for Paige she is excellent to work for.. very straight up and cool.. and more than FAIR!!! I've worked for other good agencies too.. I dont really know if its the agencies you should worry about!! More like the pimps! Cheerz

Ok Miss Starlet and you would be who???? Sorry the name is throwing me off... But thanks
The angencies can be bad, but thats up to the cops and city hall to worry about. I know I have fired one lady for drug abuse, pimp, and she started a agency. I have heard recently she is working and has health issues. Mind you this is hearsay... Its scary and those kinda people hire anyone. Its not just the ladies we have to look out for its the clients too. I have heard stories on here about pimps going after clients, ladies stealing. Really a agency should have responsiblities but till laws change we are limitted. I drug test when I feel the need as you may know and that eliminates lots of riff raft...

Star I know who you are I think... (hows tank??) if I have the right person.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

Excellent, thought-provoking post, volks.
I have always avoided agencys simply for the fact that some lamer is pocketing a wad of $$$ and doing practically nothing for it. I guess they pay the lease on the building? Maybe place the odd ad? Someone is hired to answer the phones, book the appointments, and see the clients.
That's phucked with a capital "F" in my books.

INDY ALL THE WAY BABY!

Not to totally slam agencies though. They can be a good stepping stone for a girl that's 'green' to learn the ropes prior to goin' indy. A move they all should consider. Seems the buddy system, where 2 indy's share a unit and look out for each other, take the phone while the other's working, etc., seems to work pretty well.

 

[paigesplaymate]

Excellent, thought-provoking post, volks.
I have always avoided agencys simply for the fact that some lamer is pocketing a wad of $$$ and doing practically nothing for it. I guess they pay the lease on the building? Maybe place the odd ad? Someone is hired to answer the phones, book the appointments, and see the clients.
That's phucked with a capital "F" in my books.

INDY ALL THE WAY BABY!

Not to totally slam agencies though. They can be a good stepping stone for a girl that's 'green' to learn the ropes prior to goin' indy. A move they all should consider. Seems the buddy system, where 2 indy's share a unit and look out for each other, take the phone while the other's working, etc., seems to work pretty well.

Pull your head outta your ass for a minute, first off like i said earlier that not every place charges the girls all this money. I make 28 dollars after I pay ads, gst, blah blah blah
Few ads. I spend 1000 a week in the newspaper, 35000 a year for yellow pages. I drive a used car and have a used truck for my acerage that the house is 10 years old and not expensive.... Not every agency is out to use people. Ever stop to think some indys are indies because no place would hire them, maybe punanny funk was the issue maybe cause she had a criminal backround... Not saying indies are bad ladies but I know lots i have had are far from nice... Saying that was like me saying your a cheap cocksucker and thats why you like indies. True for most but not fair for me to group you into that.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

.. Saying that was like me saying your a cheap cocksucker and thats why you like indies. True for most but not fair for me to group you into that.

Not at all actually. If I was truly a 'cheap cocksucker', I would likely use agencies exclusively, as they are usually priced lower than the indys that get my attention. I think that for alot of guys, the rates are the primary appeal of an agency. That and selection. Nothing like walking into a pussy buffet. And sure, I agree that there are indys that agencys wouldn't hire. The low track isn't everybody's cup 'o' tea though, sugar.

 

[aznboi9]

Hey all. This is from a post I wrote a little while earlier (see thread: TOFFT - Hush Vancouver). I had to move it here to give it more exposure. I TOFFT this week at an agency called "Hush Vancouver" and then received some very informative PMs about what may possibly be going on at this, and other agencies. I may have a limited moral conscience, but the thought of aiding in crime - that only ends up hurting people - gets to me. Here it is:

I just keep getting more PMs about the backstory of the SP agency scene. I know I cannot claim total naivete, but I just had not thought about the whole story. It seems very likely that any agency has crime connections, and someone is getting rich off the work of the girls; that, I cannot handle.

I desire to have moral standards. I always try to treat the SP with my utmost respect, and I respect what service they are providing. So I feel good about my self, this hobby has been good, and I'm not hurting anyone (except maybe myself, but that is not a topic to be discussed here). I've heard that there are girls who are forced into the industry, or are doing it for nothing while a fat f*ck collects all the cash. I just never thought I was visiting them. All my expereinces at agencies were quite good, and I rarely felt that the girls was being used.

So, that's it for me. I will never visit another agency, it will be strictly indies for me from this point on. This may sound bold and brash, but my limited moral conscience cannot handle knowing that it could be a bad situation. At least with a respectable independant provider I know that she has a good reputation, and is doing this job as an empowered, autonomous, individual, not being forced into it.

I cannot help but feel awful for visiting the Hush agency if all this is true. Even if it is not it has opened my eyes finally to the reality that has been staring me in the face, and I'm sorry for my ignorance.

volks.

I'm naive; I'll admit it. So, how is it that the girls are ripped off? Is it by the size of the agencies cut? How is it that they are forced into it (I'm talking about girls that are born here, not the human trafficking victims)? Do the girls have to pay a fee up front? I'd actually would like to know.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Originally Posted by massagelady
"I stopped reading reviews altogether.

Some of them make me sick to my stomach."

Anita - Is this or is it not a REVIEW BOARD??

Whether you go to an agency or indy it all boils down to the chemistry between you and the lady you are seeing.

 

[john23]

think a post may have been deleted

I put a link up here to a study done at uvic about sw's and sp's in victoria that was an attempt to get the real picture of what it was like to work there.

If you google John Lowman's site you can find it in the bibliography section. Its one of the only web available documents listed on there so its not hard to find.

(PS to the moderators please let me know when you delete one of my posts and why I'm assuming there was a good reason.)

 

[volks]

I'm naive; I'll admit it. So, how is it that the girls are ripped off? Is it by the size of the agencies cut? How is it that they are forced into it (I'm talking about girls that are born here, not the human trafficking victims)? Do the girls have to pay a fee up front? I'd actually would like to know.

I'm not quite sure of the whole story either, and that is my point. I am blind to a lot of what goes on, and my ignorance is causing anothers' pain. This thread started when I heard that some dude was out there promising to create websites but instead just grabbed the cash and ran, so the agency than has to pay all this money out and the girls get nothing. Then someone else told me that a lot of agencies are run by jimmys involved in criminal activities.

At some point in most agencies (not ALL - so everyone can quit with defending themselves) there are profits going to abet crimes. Whether it's HA or anoher organized ring, somewhere, someone is getting rich off these girls' hard work. Crime really isn't good for anyone, I've had my motorcycle stolen, and two houses in neighbourhoods where I own were busted as grow-ops. At some point (though it could be a really convoluted route) the money I pay for service is likely filtering down to it. Even if it is just 20/30 bucks a session, the girls is putting herself out there and someone is taking profit from her.

All this to say that it is simply my personal decision to see an Indy to ensure that I know who's making the cash, and I enjoy it that much more. I just think we can all ponder the thing a bit more...hence this thread.

volks.