Bret Hart tells Ric Flair to go F**k Himself!!!!

[scott231]

Former 5 time WWE Heavyweight Champion and 2 time WCW Heavyweight Champion Bret "The Hitman" Hart " blasted "Nature Boy" Ric Flair in his column as Ric said in his autobiography when Bret was the WWE Champion in 1992 the WWE went to hell, and that Bret didn't draw money as champion www.brethart.com/comments.asp

As far as I'm concerned when Bret was WWE Champion wrestling was struggling and wasn't that popular with the "other" people but he worked his ass off and had 5 star matches with Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, The Undertaker and of course "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. Ric Flair had no right ripping Randy Savage, Bret and Mick Foley in his book and I found it tasteless. But Ric is a great wrestler and this is my top 10 of all time, not just wrestling but popularity and drawing money aswell. This is in the WWF(WWE), NWA(WCW), ECW, and the AWA

1. Hulk Hogan
2. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
3. The Rock
4. Ric Flair
5. Bret "The Hitman" Hart
6. Randy "Macho Man" Savage
7. Shawn Michaels
8. The Undertaker
9. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
10. tie Triple H and Mick Foley

 

[_Ruffian_]

Flair's a joke.

I actually agree with Bret


Flair's slowly developed into an egotistical classless bum who lives on repeatedly bringing up and making people hear about his glorified past achievements.

Flair should shut the hell up.




I wasn't a big fan of his to begin with anyways.

 

[BYSON]

. Shawn Michaels never liked, Andre the Giant and my all time fav
Ravishing Rick Rude and Jake the Snake Roberts

 

[Calgary69]

If you compare Ric Flair's time as NWA/AWA Champ in the late 80's as well as his short reign as WWF Champ before he dropped his title to Bret in 92 to Bret's time as WWF Champ, I think you will see that "The Hitman" drew more people to the arenas and had a higher buy rates for PPVs than Ric Flair ever did. Its also interesting to note in Ric's book that he dropped the title to Bret due to health issues. Shortly after he dropped the belt, his health problems fell back into place and he was good to go. He went alright.....right back to WCW cause he could not cut it in the WWF.

For those that follow wrestling and know the term "dark matches" to mean matches that are done at untelevised events that regardless of the outcome has no meaning on the storylines. I think that term originated with Ric's time in the NWA/AWA where they played to near empty arenas and the lights had to be turned off to hid the empty seats.

As for Ric's book, like wrestling storylines, bogus stuff was added to stir interest in it. Funniest thing was that I just finished reading Mick Foley's book " Foley is Good". In it Mick said that most wrestling books are written by a ghost writer who takes what the wrestler says and twists it into a story. Its rarely an acurate account of the original story, which is why after having a ghost writer follow him around and writing the first 2 chapters of his book....the dude was FIRED!!! Picking on retired wrestling legends is a surefire way of getting your book sold and put on the New York Times bestseller list (placed 5th).

While I pretty much agree with scott231's list, I would add the franchise of WCW.....The man called.......STING!!! Sting did more to keep NWA/AWA/WCW afloat when the rats that left a sinking ship than everyone else. Those rats included Flair, Arn Anderson and Tulley Blanchard ( 4 horsemen) as well as a host of others.

 

[OTR2]

I met Bret Hart in Lacombe one night. He pretty much told me to do the same thing he told Ric Flair.

 

[scott231]

Ric Flair was the wrestler of the 80's not contest, Ricky Steamboat was great too in the 80's but Flair had better matches. Bret Hart I feel was the wrestler of the 90's though, when Ric Flair came to the WWF/WWE first in September 1991 he stayed there till February 1993 and the only great match he had during that periond was his 1992 WWF/WWE Royal Rumble win where he won and became the new WWE Heavyweight Champion. And maybe @ WWF/WWE WrestleMania VIII were he lost the WWE Title to Randy Savage. I will say that neither Bret or Ric ever came close to drawing bigger money then Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, and The Rock, as those guys were the biggest stars in the history of wrestling.

 

[JD24_7]

If you compare Ric Flair's time as NWA/AWA Champ in the late 80's as well as his short reign as WWF Champ before he dropped his title to Bret in 92 to Bret's time as WWF Champ, I think you will see that "The Hitman" drew more people to the arenas and had a higher buy rates for PPVs than Ric Flair ever did. Its also interesting to note in Ric's book that he dropped the title to Bret due to health issues. Shortly after he dropped the belt, his health problems fell back into place and he was good to go. He went alright.....right back to WCW cause he could not cut it in the WWF.

For those that follow wrestling and know the term "dark matches" to mean matches that are done at untelevised events that regardless of the outcome has no meaning on the storylines. I think that term originated with Ric's time in the NWA/AWA where they played to near empty arenas and the lights had to be turned off to hid the empty seats.

As for Ric's book, like wrestling storylines, bogus stuff was added to stir interest in it. Funniest thing was that I just finished reading Mick Foley's book " Foley is Good". In it Mick said that most wrestling books are written by a ghost writer who takes what the wrestler says and twists it into a story. Its rarely an acurate account of the original story, which is why after having a ghost writer follow him around and writing the first 2 chapters of his book....the dude was FIRED!!! Picking on retired wrestling legends is a surefire way of getting your book sold and put on the New York Times bestseller list (placed 5th).

While I pretty much agree with scott231's list, I would add the franchise of WCW.....The man called.......STING!!! Sting did more to keep NWA/AWA/WCW afloat when the rats that left a sinking ship than everyone else. Those rats included Flair, Arn Anderson and Tulley Blanchard ( 4 horsemen) as well as a host of others.

I am pretty sure flair left the WWF because he was going to be regulated into midcard status had he stayed on. Flair went to WCW and pretty much saved the company when the whole Sid-Arn bloody scissors incident happend.

As for the sinking ship comment. Flair left WCW in the first place because of Jim Herd, they wanted his gimmick done and wanted flair to job to Luger. Tully and Arn left because wwf was hot at the time and offering huge contracts. The 4 horsemen pretty much ruled the nwa in the 80's and were huge draws.

As for sting, he wasn't that big of a draw. When Sting won his first WCW title, it went right back to flair 6 months later. Sting has never drawn much.

I will say however the reason why flair is saying all this in his book is most likely due to the influence of Triple H and HBK. It is pretty bad for flair to say Shawn is actually a better wrestler then Bret.

On the Flipside Bret really needs to shut up about Surivor Series 97. Yes he was screwed, but he needs to get over it. I hope Bret works out his differences with vince so that dvd on hart can be made.

For people who do not like his work, i suggest you watch any Flair vs Steamboat match. The 2 out of 3 falls 45 min match at the clash in 89 is an amazing match.

 

[scott231]

Yeah the Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat match at the NWA Clash of The Champions 2/3 fall match was spectacular, that match went head to head with Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage @ WWE WrestleMania V on April 2nd, 1989 as The Clash was on for free on TBS, and WWE WrestleMania V was on PPV and on closed circuit tv in Vancouver @ the Pacific Coliseum I was 8 or 9 at the time and I was hyped for Savage vs Hogan. Ric Flair also had an awesome match Ricky Steamboat in Nashville @ WrestleWar 89. I feel Ric should quit when he feels like it, I think he still has alot to contribute in the wrestling business. I attended WWE WrestleMania XIX in Seattle last year and the Hulk Hogan vs Vince McMahon match was the best of the night.

 

[JD24_7]

I can't remember the hype for savage vs Hogan, i was only about 6 at the time. If i need to see something, i'll just pop a tape in the vcr as i have a huge collection of wrestling tapes.

It's time for flair to retire from in ring competition and start to manage. Or he could be a road agent like arn anderson and dean malenko.

 

[scott231]

The hype was that Savage turned on Hogan in a tag match, then Hogan challenged Savage for the WWF title that Savage held at WWF WrestleMania V in Trump Plaza, Altantic City. Hogan ended up beating Savage for the title it was a good match, but the Flair vs Steamboat 2/3 fall match in New Orleans on the same day as the Hogan vs Savage match was way better.

 

[scott231]

I've grown up with wrestling all my life, I've met wrestler's too. Owen Hart in Sept 1998 and The Rock twice in December 1998 and in June 2003 both guys were the nicest guy's I've ever met and they signed autographs and took pics with me.

 

[_Ruffian_]

Holy smokes, you guys are actually discussing a soap opera?

Damn. The world HAS gone to hell....

well the women spend all their time spewing gossip about "Days of our lives" and their other soaps






so why can't we guys have a show of our own?

One where men beat the crap out of each other over bitter feuds and rivalries, one where beautiful women roll around over each other and get into catfights, one where stories are told in the ring and legends are born...

 

[sirlickheralot]

But Ric is a great wrestler and this is my top 10 of all time, not just wrestling but popularity and drawing money aswell. This is in the WWF(WWE), NWA(WCW), ECW, and the AWA

1. Hulk Hogan
2. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
3. The Rock
4. Ric Flair
5. Bret "The Hitman" Hart
6. Randy "Macho Man" Savage
7. Shawn Michaels
8. The Undertaker
9. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
10. tie Triple H and Mick Foley

#1A) Andre the Giant

You must be young, how can you have a top 10 list without Andre the Giant. This guy was filling arenas when the following for wrestling was a fraction of what it is today. His name will still be recognizable when most of the others on your list have faded into obscurity.

I was a big wrestling fan in the early 80's until I grew out of it by the late 80's.

 

[scott231]

Your born in 1905?????? Anyways I' m almost 24 and your right Andre The Giant should be on my list BUT he wasn't a great wrestler, he and Hulk Hogan drew huge money @ WWF WrestleMania III in Pontiac, Michigan, but Andre couldn't wrestle, Hogan at least knew a few moves. And my list is on wrestling ability, drawing ability and inter view skills. I listed him @ 11

11. Andre The Giant
12. Ted DiBiase "The Million Dollar Man" (the greatest heel of alltime)
13. "Superstar" Billy Graham
14. Dusty Rhodes
15. Sting
16. Ultimate Warrior
17. Harley Race
18. Bruno Sammartino
19. "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff (drew huge money with Hulk Hogan in 1986 did like 68,000 @ the CNE in Toronto for their match)
20. Lex Luger

 

[luckydog71]

My favorites from the PNE Gardens

1. Gene Kiniski – Canada’s greatest athlete
2. Roy McClarty - his son wrestled to but I forgot his name
3. Mr Clean - looked exactly like the commercial
4. Dutch Savage - The Thumb
5. Bulldog Brown - The brunt of all the jokes
6. Eric Frolick - real skinny- real quick


And as usual the guy who did a great job of interviewing Gene… the BCTV announcer Ron Morrier

 

[Calgary69]

I too grew up watching wrestling. From Stampede Wrestling to WWF/WWE and all major stops inbetween (WCW->ECW), I've watched them all and loved it.

Yes, I know why Ric and the rest of his buddies deserted WCW for the WWF. It was for the same reasons why WCW finally went down......bad management. To turn an WCW/NWA/AWA icon like Ric into a joke with a gimmick no one would believe was just a bad idea. In those days WCW ruled the south and WWF ruled the north, neither really crossed into each others territory. If you compared the numbers for each territory I think you will find that WWF had the better numbers and hence the bigger paychecks. I think if you watch Ric Flair's latest dvd "Ultimate Ric Flair" you would get a better understanding of what really went on in those days. As I said before "....played to near empty areas and had to turn off the lights to hide the empty seats".

Sting's first title reign may have only lasted 6 months but keep in mind that he was still pretty new to the business. I beg to differ that Sting was never a big draw. Quite a few of the big name announcers/ wrestling writers would also argue you on that one. Sting was the man right up until 94 when WCW signed Hogan. I thought WCW had a great product leading up to the signing of Hogan. Hogan gave WCW instant crediblity with Vince's territories and a chance for WCW to expand its markets.

One last point, although I'm not the greatest Bret Hart fan, Bret has made it a point since his retirement from wrestling not to bring up Servivor Series 97. It is the fans, writers, wrestlers and Vince that brings it up. Bret only responds to the crap being said about him. Since his stroke, Vince and Bret seemed to have patched things up somewhat and a Greatest Hits from the Hitman dvd maybe in the works. When the Flames were eliminating the Canucks in Game 7, RAW was outof Calgary and Vince had a meeting with Bret. Although nothing was publically said, speculation was that the meeting was to lay the ground work for a Bret Hart dvd.

 

[JD24_7]

I too grew up watching wrestling. From Stampede Wrestling to WWF/WWE and all major stops inbetween (WCW->ECW), I've watched them all and loved it.

Yes, I know why Ric and the rest of his buddies deserted WCW for the WWF. It was for the same reasons why WCW finally went down......bad management. To turn an WCW/NWA/AWA icon like Ric into a joke with a gimmick no one would believe was just a bad idea. In those days WCW ruled the south and WWF ruled the north, neither really crossed into each others territory. If you compared the numbers for each territory I think you will find that WWF had the better numbers and hence the bigger paychecks. I think if you watch Ric Flair's latest dvd "Ultimate Ric Flair" you would get a better understanding of what really went on in those days. As I said before "....played to near empty areas and had to turn off the lights to hide the empty seats".

Sting's first title reign may have only lasted 6 months but keep in mind that he was still pretty new to the business. I beg to differ that Sting was never a big draw. Quite a few of the big name announcers/ wrestling writers would also argue you on that one. Sting was the man right up until 94 when WCW signed Hogan. I thought WCW had a great product leading up to the signing of Hogan. Hogan gave WCW instant crediblity with Vince's territories and a chance for WCW to expand its markets.

One last point, although I'm not the greatest Bret Hart fan, Bret has made it a point since his retirement from wrestling not to bring up Servivor Series 97. It is the fans, writers, wrestlers and Vince that brings it up. Bret only responds to the crap being said about him. Since his stroke, Vince and Bret seemed to have patched things up somewhat and a Greatest Hits from the Hitman dvd maybe in the works. When the Flames were eliminating the Canucks in Game 7, RAW was outof Calgary and Vince had a meeting with Bret. Although nothing was publically said, speculation was that the meeting was to lay the ground work for a Bret Hart dvd.

Oh i know the WWF drew a lot better then the NWA. When the Horsemen were the vocal point in the 80's the NWA drew a whole lot better. You could say the empty seats where due to Dusty's booking in the NWA at the time, booked too many dusty finishes and killed the product. When flair took over the booking in 1989, you saw the best wrestling bar none.

I still stand by what i say aboust Sting's drawing power. Even his 2nd title reign did not draw much, i mean the matches with vader were good but the attendance did not go up much. I'll give Starcade 97 to you because everyone wanted to see hogan vs sting but the match was poorly booked. As for hogan, well he may have helped wcw in the begining but he was one of the main factors that killed the company. With the exception of Goldberg, hogan never really put a young star over. If wcw had built up new stars instead of the same old, you would still be seeing wcw nitro on your TV.

Bret still brings up survivor series 97 from time to time.

 

[luvsexypanties]

Bret is right, Flair had no business taking shots.

Flair does not have the sense to quit. He is too old and should just hang the boots up.

 

[scott231]

I actually just finished watching the WWE Title match between Ric Flair vs Bret Hart from Saskatoon, Saskachewan in Oct 1992, my dad has it on tape, the match was even both guys worked there tail off. Sting is NWA/WCW he could of went to the WWF/WWE so many times but he stayed and remained the franchise. BTW WWE Smackdown is the minor leagues, John "Bradshaw" Layfield is the worst WWE Champion in the history of the WWWF/WWF/WWE. He is a crappy wrestler who has limited mic skills and isn't even close to be a main eventer, Bradshaw while in Germany did a nazi sign in the ring, and the WWE said they were going to punish him for his actions, he did the nazi sign on D-Day. And how do they punish him they give him the WWE title, which was at one time the best title in the world and now the've(WWE) turned that belt into a joke. Buying a ppv with Bradshaw main eventing is pathetic he is a mid carder for life, and he is the minor league champ dam it Vince McMahon end the brand split!!!

 

[jycc]

I have followed brets career since the beginning. From Stampede Wrestling and all of his time though the wwwhatever.

H was the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. Rick flair is a one move master with poor ablities as a wrestler and the only reason he is still in the wwwhatever is because he sucks vince and triple h at the same time. When you have time watch the show, documentary "Wrestling with shadows."

The hitmans statement is so true about flairs unskilled performances in the ring that to this day, its the same match over and over again. Get the fuck out flair. and like the HItman said, "GO FUCK YOURSELF!"