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Are the Liberals lemmings?

If Paul Martin calls an election for May, will you support the Liberals?

  • I don’t like the scandals of the past decade, but will support the Liberals anyway.

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Scandals, what scandals? Vive le Partie Liberal!

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Cast them into the dustbin of history.

    Votes: 9 50.0%
  • Election? What election?

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Total voters
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Makhno

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Today’s newspapers report that Paul Martin is still looking at calling an election next month, to be held in May. He is quoted as saying “it is my view that if we provide good government, if we demonstrate that we are driving towards our agenda on the one hand, that we’re dealing with the problems such as the sponsorship issue on the other, then in fact we’ll be re-elected.”

Good government? Good Grief!

We have now endured a generation of incessant abuse of the Canadian voter and taxpayer at the hands of the Liberals. Whether its Jean’s or Paul’s fault, we still have no money to inject into our hospitals, schools, and future generations, yet the gravy train can’t get going fast enough when their Liberal friends come calling.

Some examples:

1. The current sponsorship scandal that ran from 1997 to 2001 included at least $100 million skimmed off the top in unneeded commissions to Jean’s friends. The litany of payoffs and schemes that lined the pockets of connected Liberal supporters would make a mafia don envious. Jean Chretien’s response: So what if a few million was stolen, it was all in a good cause.”

2. An additional $793 million in federal advertising spending over a five-year period was rife with Liberal rule breaking with commissions and fees paid for no work.

3. Jean Chretien’s interference in FBDB loans to the Auberge Grand-Mere.

4. The HRDC grant boondoggle in which $1billion was unaccounted for after grants were being vetted by Liberal-party officials in Quebec, and (surprise) Liberal supporters were frequently the beneficiaries of huge grant dollars

5. As he then was Finance Minister Paul Martin’s interests in Canadian Steamship Lines and how they were not truly in a blind trust. He manges to underestimate the amount of money it received in federal contract by a factor of over $100 million (or as the Liberals call it, petty cash)

6. George Radwanski’s spendthrift ways as Privacy Commissioner (A guys gotta eat, eh...).

7. $101 million for Chretien’s private jets while the Sea Kings are literally falling from the sky. The Liberals overruled its own military - which operates the planes - which said new ones weren't needed until at least 2010.They also broke their own rules on contracts by acquiring the jets without putting out a public tender

8. The $2 billion gun registry, initially promised to cost $2 million.

9. And an endless stream of other Liberal boondoggles and spendthrifts.

Will the latest Liberal scandal pass, as have the past Liberal scandals? Will the proverbial short memories of the voters save the Liberals at the polls?

Or will we finally say enough is enough.

Have the endless cycle of Liberal scandals - financial and ethical - that typified Chretien's tenure so lowered the bar for an alternative to Liberal government, that “warm, vertical and not a Liberal” is all voters now need to cast their vote?

Cast your vote. Have your say.
 

Cock Throppled

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Ah...but what of the alternative? The Conservatives gave us Mulroney, Joe Clark, Air Bus, patronage, and (as Reform) a host of political indecision. A lot was Eastern media bias, but some was also inexperience - and now they throw Belinda at us. Sure, she's do-able, but is that what we want in a PM? Under the Conservatives we would now be mired in Iraq with the Americans.
That leaves us with Jack.
 

Makhno

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Who said the choice would be easy.
John Kenneth Galbraith probably said it the best: "Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. "
 

sirlickheralot

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Canadians put up with way too much shit from our politicians. The Haitians have the right idea run the crooked bastards right out of the country at the end of a gun. ;)
 

Chingada

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Makhno you should have been a newspaper columnist. Who knows, maybe you are.
 

mbhkey

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Enough of this already. Face it; the Liberals will be in charge as long as Quebec and Ontario are allowed to vote. This country is running on a one party system unlike the American two party system.

 

mbhkey

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They have my vote!
 

Makhno

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Herman Foranour said:
The GST, if my memory (short as it may be) serves me correctly was introduced as a short term measure to be applied directly toward federal deficit reduction.
You may also recall that income tax was also sold as a temporary measure to help pay for World War 1.

The bottom line is the government lies to us all the time.
 

Makhno

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Herman Foranour said:
Yeah! No surprize here:eek:

*rolls a fat one, tilts a glass.... gotta go see my SP;) * At least two of my vices are tax free...lol:D
Yeah. For now........:D
 

mbhkey

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Makhno said:
You may also recall that income tax was also sold as a temporary measure to help pay for World War 1.

The bottom line is the government lies to us all the time.
Will another political party be any different from the Liberals?

Remember the Mulroney scandals? I have no confidence in Canadian politicians whatsoever.
 

countryguy

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Bet on the Liberals telling voters that when they are re-elected the country will a public inquiry like never before. The Liberals will repeat throughout the campaign that they are determined to get to the bottom of the sponsorship scandal. Then after they get back in the public inquiry willbe designed to do one thing and that is to protect Paul Martin.

The Liberals have been the biggest political bullshitters and why anyone would vote that party really needs to give their head a shake.

Well, the site of Stephen Harper, Belinda Stronach, or Tony Clement as pm is just as frightening.
 

Makhno

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mbhkey said:
Will another political party be any different from the Liberals?

Remember the Mulroney scandals? I have no confidence in Canadian politicians whatsoever.
I agree. I meant "any" government when I said the government lies to us all the time. The Conservatives did. The Liberals do. And the Conservatives or Liberals or NDP will. Repeat this vicious cycle ad nauseum....

This popular joke is rooted in reality:
Q: How can you tell when a politician is lying?
A: His lips are moving.
 

Bleached Whale

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likesdeladies said:
isn’t majority or minority government accountable to its electorate --- isn’t the election process one of the highest measures of accountability in a democratic society?

On one hand, yes. But, if once elected an MP can be threatened or otherwise coerced by the PM to vote the party line - I'm thinking specifically about last fall when Cretien threatened backbenchers who contemplated voting against continued funding for the gun registry - what is really gained?

If accountability amounts to nothing more than getting turfed out of office with a big fat pension, where's the deterent for other politicians? Why should parliament shield them from criminal investigation where warranted? Call it a boondoggle, incompetence or greed, the wastage of tax revenues can't be sustained, certainly not on the scale we've been seeing lately. I've got a short memory, but, I don't ever recall a federal politician getting hauled into court.

Would I like to vote for someone other than the liberals? You bet. Is there anyone else out there worth voting for that can be counted on to govern responsibly? That's the million $ question and history says probably not.

Call me a cynic...
 

Makhno

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Piggies

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in.

In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking...

---- The Beatles (1968)
 
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