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[Miss*Bijou]

Hate to break it to you blackcad.. but any girl you see that doesn't work from home and is either sharing or not sharing an incall.. is usually paying a fee. But instead of it being under her name, its under someone elses. When you need a place to work and don't feel like dealing with the hassle of finding your own place(generally tough without a regular 9-5 job) it's worth a small fee. The rent has to get paid somehow.

I agree with Cara.. would you like to get us a place under your name for free? That would be very helpful! xx

wtf girls!? Are you freakin' KIDDING me?


What the HELL do you think an independent does?


No offense but you ladies should work for an agency if this is somehow a big hurdle and a BUNCH of you can't even figure out how to rent an incall on your own.


Sorry, I don't mean this post to be directed at you exclusively here but ladies, give me a fucking break.

 

[Kali.Kaos]

I get where you are coming from Blackcad, but again.. being in this industry makes things a bit harder to do that. I personally have taken losses in the past because i've had a place under my own name and attention was called to it. It wrecks my own name(real) and is financially draining. I had full control of when i set my sessions based on the availability at the condo. It was not that i was paying someone for the session.. i was helping pay the rent.

You clearly are welcome to believe whatever you choose, but you guys are attacking a guy who really did only want to help. It's unfortunate but i could have expected no less from a lot of the people on this site.

Regardless of what you guys believe, i am fully independent as no one speaks to anyone but me in emails or otherwise and would prefer to not rent a place under my own name but it's looking like that will need to be set up again.

xx

 

[old pooner]

How the Hell can say Steve is a pimp, just because he gets $50 for the use of his place (I would expect something in return if a girl wanted to use my place). A pimp controls the girls totally (with violence when needed). It just sounds like Steve has a reasonable association with the girls.

 

[Kali.Kaos]

wtf girls!? Are you freakin' KIDDING me?


What the HELL do you think an independent does?


No offense but you ladies should work for an agency if this is somehow a big hurdle and a BUNCH of you can't even figure out how to rent an incall on your own.


Sorry, I don't mean this post to be directed at you exclusively here but ladies, give me a fucking break.

I respect your opinion to a point.. it isn't a big hurdle to get your own place, it's a matter of not wanting to deal with it. I dislike lying to people and when going for a place that's nice enough.. it has to be done. I don't want to worry about my own name being tarnished if i end up with shit neighbors with nothing to do during their day but spy on other people again.

As for working for an agency.. you've got to be kidding me.. why would i want to pay someone half of my earnings to do all my stuff for me? I'd rather pay a fee or rent my own place thanks.

 

[Papa Chongo]

I don't think it is relaistic for anyone to asuume you own your own incall location, and it would be ridiculous for the person providing it to provide it for free, someone has to pay the light bill, cable bill, and mortgage, get your head out of your asses guys, If i had the disposable cash I'd buy a place or two in Yaletown and rent them out by the day/hour, what a sound investment, and whether you were renting to Escorts, Couple having affairs, Business Men, does it really make a difference???

For fuck sakes what kind of fantasy world do you live in thinking that a 19Yr old hottie is renting her own yaletown condo without traditional employment...

SERIOUSLY!

 

[vancity_cowboy]

I dislike lying to people ...

oh really...

how about the 'independent' lie?

 

[vancity_cowboy]

For fuck sakes what kind of fantasy world do you live in thinking that a 19Yr old hottie is renting her own yaletown condo without traditional employment...

SERIOUSLY!

well, if they can't stand the heat, they should get out of the fuckin' kitchen and go work for a true agency shouldn't they... SERIOUSLY

 

[Kali.Kaos]

oh really...

how about the 'independent' lie?

I'm independent thank you very much. Go ahead and ask my regulars. There was a time long ago when i started that i was in an agency/managed type setting and then I went independent. I worked out of my own home in surrey for a time and then when i found a new incall downtown i moved myself here permanently. As i've said.. you can believe anything you want sweetheart. You are of no concern to me one way or another. I give my mobile number once a session has been set up and i'm the only one with passwords to my email accounts. Have a great day and go shit disturb elsewhere please

 

[dudeharsh123]

I don't think it is relaistic for anyone to asuume you own your own incall location, and it would be ridiculous for the person providing it to provide it for free, someone has to pay the light bill, cable bill, and mortgage, get your head out of your asses guys, If i had the disposable cash I'd buy a place or two in Yaletown and rent them out by the day/hour, what a sound investment, and whether you were renting to Escorts, Couple having affairs, Business Men, does it really make a difference???

For fuck sakes what kind of fantasy world do you live in thinking that a 19Yr old hottie is renting her own yaletown condo without traditional employment...

SERIOUSLY!

What kind of a fantasy world are you living in? This $50 fee isn't a flat rate to use the condo, it's per session. Multiply that byt the number of sessions per day and by the number of girls, and it looks like a good money making set up.

And Steve isn't only providing his condos, he's doing all the other stuff too, advertising, websites, etc, etc, etc. This all equals to the very definition of a pimp. So, he doesnt abuse or control is his girls... that doesnt mean he isnt a pimp. He is a nice, caring, respectufl pimp.

SERIOUSLY!

So I have a condo dt, any ladies want to rent that out and use it as their incall? I'll only charge you $40 per session! What a deal! On top of that, I'll post your erslist ads, pay for you perb advertising accounts, make your web pages, reply to client emails etc. Oh, and I am a young, fit, attractive gentleman... totally sweet and charming. I would never do anyting you woudlnt want to. And no, I am defintily not a pimp....... Oh wait, according to the law and the VPD if i did this i would be, no matter how kind and caring I was.

 

[Papa Chongo]

um I disagree dude, it is a flat fee

If I am a lawyer and I rent office space that includes Internet access, a Photocopier, Conference rooms and reception services am I still not considered independent??

Get a grip!

 

[dudeharsh123]

um I disagree dude, it is a flat fee

If I am a lawyer and I rent office space that includes Internet access, a Photocopier, Conference rooms and reception services am I still not considered independent??

Get a grip!

Ummm actually Papa.. you are wrong.. Caracse flat out said that it was $50 per session. She removed her post after Samantha Kisses told her that she shouldnt be using figures. If you dont believe me, look at post 45 where i quoted her... and i believe post 43 as well.

And it is ridiculous to compare being a lawyer and an sp..

If you dont think what steve is doing is pimping, go talk to your lawyer and ask him if everything i outlined in post 66 is not considered pimping.. or better yet, go to your local vpd and ask them that you want to do this and want to make sure its okay.

Sounds like you dont know what the definition of a pimp is. Look I have no problems with what is going on and the relationship between the girls and steve. I have seen weebly girls, etc who pose as independants in the past. Im not stupid, im know what im getting myself into. But to say that Steve is not a pimp is ludacris. You need to get a grip pal.

 

[Etro]

I don't think most dudes are excpecting some 19-21yr old to have her shit together and afford a swank pad on her own. But I think what most guys are pissed off with, is this notion of saying your "independent" only to find out some "dunnochit" character is who you're talking to. With YOUR personal info. That's a huge fucking problem. The great part though is the old weebly days, they never ever verified any number - always use a fake one.

Girls who do correspondence via email only - fishy. Sorry, this is the 21st century - if you can't call/txt someone, find another business.

 

[dunnochit]

The girls shared in the expense of the incall. Flat fee or whatever. Yes by that definition I guess I am a pimp. Never thought much on it, but why argue with the convinced.

The list at the beginning is inaccurate and too long to represent the truth. Some I have spoken to once and some not for a while now. The number of girls I was actively working with was as of yesterday very small. That is not including the couple that simply rented space when needed.

I do not have access to emails and have explained on more than one occasion why email only. However, each girl could give her number out if she wanted, they chose not to because many of you are out and out jerks and it is easier to just delete an email.

For those quoting the criminal code - DUH!

Had it not been for the malicious attack, today would be just another day. Every one of you that saw these girls knew that you were seeing them in a shared space. Most of the girls were very open about this. Why hide it. So when your little head was doing the thinking, shared space meant nothing. Now that you can hide behind a keyboard it is a travesty.
You are an interesting group

 

[Unpossible]

Every one of you that saw these girls knew that you were seeing them in a shared space. Most of the girls were very open about this. Why hide it. So when your little head was doing the thinking, shared space meant nothing. Now that you can hide behind a keyboard it is a travesty.
You are an interesting group

Nobody has a problem with sp's sharing space. They do it all the time. What they do have a problem with is women claiming to be independant when in reality they're part of an extremely expensive micro.

 

[jc1]

Sharing an incall is illegal. You are working from a common bawdy house. Having someone who benefits financially or services exchanged makes them a pimp. Granted Steven doesn't abuse his girls and helps them out. That just makes him a nice pimp. Also, if you don't actually correspond directly with clients then you are not independent and are being handled. Don't know why there is any argument here.

 

[themajorone]

Nobody has a problem with sp's sharing space. They do it all the time. What they do have a problem with is women claiming to be independant when in reality they're part of an extremely expensive micro.

Also, I would like to add... It's not right to be pretending to be the girls when booking by email. I really don't enjoy being called "Babe" from a guy Being managed is not independent.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Don't know why there is any argument here.

because you are arguing with the sp's being handled - or maybe you're arguing with dunnochit posting under their handles - who knows, its a dark and shadowy world under those covers...

but i swear that 90% of the handled sp replies are being written by the same person

 

[jc1]

because you are arguing with the sp's being handled - or maybe you're arguing with dunnochit posting under their handles - who knows, its a dark and shadowy world under those covers...

but i swear that 90% of the handled sp replies are being written by the same person

I'm not arguing with the SPs or potentially dunnochit posting under their names. Its the white knights here defending a lost cause.

 

[jc1]

Hmmm, this is all very interesting to read. I do wonder where guys expect to see girls if they can't afford their own incall and pay someone a daily or hourly rate for use of their condo. If we can't use someone's condo then I guess we can just work on the streets? Because that sounds so much safer...

I would guess most of the true independents worked at an agency at one time or have a friend who did and am getting advice, etc. The other true independents are bait and switch girls who can't get hired at an agency. All of the girls listed can easily get a job at an agency. Also working at an agency would be safer as there are other girls and staff at the incall. With outcalls the agency should have personal info/contact info and know where the girls are going and for how long. Much safer than a girl alone at an incall.

 

[Unpossible]

If we can't use someone's condo then I guess we can just work on the streets?

Try an agency.