Breaking Windows and deGoogling

Larry's Torch

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Due to the recent changes (debacle) of Speakout and the coming decommissioning of the 3G network in general; I have found myself moving forward with some plans.
For some time I have wanted to switch from Windows to Linux and have also been looking at Graphene OS to get away from an Android phone polluted with google.
During my research I found that Graphene recommends an OS that is up to date before installing, so I made the error to update an older laptop (circa 2018) running Windows 10 before updating it to Windows 11. After several hours and 3 failed attempts (Windows 10 can't even update Windows 10) I tossed in the towel and installed Zorin 17 OS (an Ubuntu-based Linux distro compatible with Graphene). At first it was a little unnerving over writing the entire hard drive and wiping the OS, but it is a secondary unit so nothing vital was at risk. I've been running a non persistent version of Zorin 16 for a few years, so I'm familiar with how it works. Actually very Windows like in the navigation. This OS has been designed to work on a wide range of older computers so the install went seamlessly.

I then purchased a google Pixel 8 (counter intuitive, I know) and installed Graphene OS (essentially an update from Android 15 to 16 without the garbage) using the web based installer. This was a little MORE unnerving than the Zorin install as the phone was recently purchased, in near new condition (thank you Mobile Klinik) and I hadn't used it at all. I was worried about bricking it and being the proud owner of a $500.00 paper weight. The install went without a hitch, took about 20 minutes and was mostly automatic. For all you non apple phone users; it'll be fairly familiar. It was easy learning the navigation and finding where everything is located. Was able to transfer all my contacts in a vcf (vCard (giggity) format) file with bluetooth.
I chose the Pixel 8 because it has 5 years of updates from Graphene. The Pixel 9 works as well, but the cost was a bit more than the 8. The only detail I had to contend with was it had to be Android 15 so I had to skip over a few 8's that had been updated to Android 16. Currently the Android 16 version makes it a little more difficult to install Graphene, but they are working on a work around. I wasn't sure if it would be done before the shut down of the 3G network, thus my decision to make all these changes.
Just thought I'd post this in case anyone else has considered making similar adjustments.
 
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masterpoonhunter

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I had the time to NOT be tied to defacto industry standards ie Windows and Android. Have to for my work.
Have dabbled with various distributions of Linux over the many years and have an old and I mean old Dell laptop circa Windows XP era running Mint. Which reminds me to dig it out and at least boot it up. I had used it to transfer data to and from old firewire devices. Anyway enough of that.
Graphene
Seems like the perfect pooner phone. If I have it right, only for Pixel phones? The install instructions go back to early Pixels so do I take it any working Pixel regardless of Android version?
Bookmarking this for the time when I have more time and thank you Mr. Torch for the post!
 

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The install instructions go back to early Pixels so do I take it any working Pixel regardless of Android version?
From what I understand Android 16 can be a bit tricky as it seems they are discouraging installing an alternative OS. Graphene is working on it. Using a newer phone gives you a longer update life as they've stopped supporting some older Pixels.
Bookmarking this for the time when I have more time and thank you Mr. Torch for the post!
Glad to help.

From Wikipedia:
"GrapheneOS currently is only compatible with Google Pixel devices, due to specific requirements that GrapheneOS has for adding support for a new device, including an unlockable bootloader and proper implementation of verified boot.

The operating system can be installed from various platforms, including Windows, macOS, Linux, and Android devices. Two installation methods are available: a WebUSB-based installer, recommended for most users, and a command-line based installer, intended for more experienced users."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrapheneOS
 
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I run Graphene OS on my personal phone, and it's been about a year now? and I've had no issues with it, I'm a fan. It's nice to see them gaining a little popularity
 

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I'm typing this on an ancient Dell tablet that has been running Kubuntu, a Linux distribution, for years. I just converted my Windows 10 tablet to Zorin 18. The conversion wasn't without it's headaches. At first, after the installation, the computer wouldn't boot up, giving a warning that it couldn't "connect to the media", the latter being my former "C" drive. I went into the BIOS setup, made some random, uninformed tweaks (I'm no expert), and fortunately the computer boots now. The remaining problem to solve is that Zorin isn't seeing my local area network. I'll try to figure that out today. No problem connecting to internet.

Network problems aside, Zorin is easy to use for anyone familiar with Windows. I do still have to find the best replacements for the Windows software I've used for decades.

I still have a Windows 11 machine. I'm mostly retired but I still do a bit of professional work, so I need a Windows machine in order to have full software compatibility with clients and colleagues.

I'd love to get away from Android on my phone, but the phone is a Chinese brand, so Graphene wouldn't be an option. I'm too cheap to pay more than a couple of hundred bucks for a phone. I like the one I have, and when I needed warrantee service the Chinese manufacturer came through with a new phone. I'll grudgingly stick with Android for now.

Update: I used Zorin on my Thinkpad tablet for a few days, and then decided that I like Kubuntu better, so switched to that. Nothing against Zorin; Kubuntu is just more comfortable to me.
 
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Larry's Torch

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I've never tried installing it on a tablet, but if it'll run Windows it should take Linux.
This is what I found with a basic search. Hope it helps.

If Zorin OS isn't seeing your local area network (LAN), the issue is typically related to network driver detection, service configuration, or hardware recognition.

Quick Fixes
Restart Network Manager
Open a terminal and run:

sudo service network-manager restart

Check Network Interface
Verify if your Ethernet adapter is detected:

sudo lshw -C network

Look for an Ethernet interface entry and check if a driver (e.g., e1000e for Intel) is loaded.
Reload Network Driver
If the interface is listed but not working, reload the driver:

sudo modprobe -r e1000e && sudo modprobe e1000e

(Replace e1000e with your driver if different.)

Check BIOS and Hardware
Ensure LAN is enabled in BIOS.
Test the Ethernet cable and port on another device.
Firewall or Software Conflicts
Temporarily disable the firewall to rule out interference:

sudo ufw disable
Re-enable it later with sudo ufw enable.

Kernel or Driver Issues
Some newer hardware (e.g., Realtek RTL8125B) may require manual driver installation via:

git clone https://github.com/awesometic/realtek-r8125-dkms.git
cd realtek-r8125-dkms
sudo ./dkms-install.sh
 

Larry's Torch

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I run Graphene OS on my personal phone, and it's been about a year now? and I've had no issues with it, I'm a fan. It's nice to see them gaining a little popularity
Wow. You're the first person I've encountered who even knows what Graphene is! Nice!
I'm still fresh with it so poking around trying not to break anything. Basically the same as Android when you get into settings etc.
 
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Wow. You're the first person I've encountered who even knows what Graphene is! Nice!
I'm still fresh with it so poking around trying not to break anything. Basically the same as Android when you get into settings etc.
You're the only the second person I've encountered who knows about it! And both in the last month. I hope more people will be joining us soon 😊 it's long past time to degoogle
 

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As I started the thought process of old computers =====> Linux, I recalled an old Dell 8" Windows 8 tablet I have somewhere. Now that was a POS if there ever was one but I think I paid $100 for it so there is that. Need to dig that out and try Zorin at some time.

Re Graphene, my current Pixel 7Pro still has lots of life in it but I expect in about a year it will be replaced so ... thanks to all for the notes in this thread, I am copying and pasting it into Word365 on W10, now isn't that ironic, and will save that for the right time.
 

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Just saw a blog note that downloads of Ubuntu have set records since Micro$haft ended W10 support.
 

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GrapheneOS is probably the best middle-ground between usability, convenience and privacy. For those with Pixel phones, it's definitely a strong recommendation. It's still basically an Android experience just with privacy in mind. If you are in position to make the switch, this is by far the best move among the short list of alternatives. I personally like CalyxOS a bit more but the project has gone into hiatus.

There is also /e/, an OS by Murena with a "wider" selection of supported phones but it does have its quirks to say the least. You could buy phones that have it preinstalled but they are pricey or look up if a device you fancy is supported. It's as close as you can to being degoogled without completely sacrificing too much usability and convenience. But like with most alternatives, ymmv.

Ubuntu Touch is an option worth considering if you have the time to tinker and put up with headaches. The device list is sparse but you are completely de-googled. Your privacy is up to your specifications as it's Linux. Convenience and usability, out the box, are completely in the toilet for sure.

For those still stuck with stock Android, I would suggest installing the Aurora Store to download as many of the Google Play Store apps you need to use. But I'd also recommend looking at LineageOS as they have as much more devices supported. It gives some older devices a chance to use modern Android conveniences.
 
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