Dark side of prostitution................

[.leonardo]

The darker side is very dark.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/18/shaniya.davis/index.html
McNeill will be charged with first-degree murder and rape of a child, Bergamine said. The new arrest warrants were being served Thursday night.

The girl's mother, Antoinette Nicole Davis, has been charged with human trafficking and other offenses. Police have said they believe Davis was prostituting the child.

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SAN JOSE, Costa Rica—The sexual exploitation of girls and boys, largely
by American men, has reached alarming proportions in Central America,
according to children's rights advocates who say the region is now a
priority in their struggle against child prostitution and pornography.
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besidebeirut.wordpress.com/
As one descends the prostitutional ladder, leaving Maameltein and Hamra behind, the value of the human body drops radically. The markets of Khaldeh and Sabra Palestinian Camp offer bodies as young as 14 for the equivalent of $6.5-$20.

A very fragile and invisible group occupies the lowest rung: female workers from Africa and Asia. Though some light is being shed on the abuse domestics in Lebanon are subject to, not enough is being said about the destitution and deception that leads some to prostitution. One can only imagine how fragile the position of a domestic worker would be if she ends up out of cash and living illegally in Lebanon.
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http://www.thaiworldview.com/poor.htm
The number of child prostitutes rose from 4.4% to 5.3% It's estimated that 12,000 child prostitutes are working in Thailand. Abused as children, these young victims (particularly girls) usually end up in brothels. Child abuse is not only a serious problem in Thailand but throughout the world as well.
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http://sofiaecho.com/2007/08/13/655260_reading-room-bulgarias-working-girls
Most of the girls come from the destitute Roma population. They are usually organised by a local pimp, who takes a percentage of their earnings and chauffeurs them to and from their spot on a busy main road each day. They stand there for hours on end in freezing winter winds and burning hot sunshine.
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Child Prostitution - South Africa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISFxedkhl8
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Sex Trafficking in Cambodia

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The dark side of prostitution is not that it exists at all, but the fact that a pimp controls most girls and that their exploitation is not just confined to roadside prostitution

 

[susi]

while these stories are disturbing, most canadian girls are not "pimp"controlled.we cannot make sweeping statements like this based on stories from 3rd world or war torn countires.bad conditions do exist here. the only way to change that is through decrim and industry stabilization.

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

This is not called prostitution its simple straight forward child rape/abuse. Prostitution involves two consenting adults. A child is unable to given informed conset and therefore it needs ot be called something else!

 

[.leonardo]

Prostitution has been in almost every society known to humans for centuries and i believe strongly that it is a necessary part of our society and should be legalized and licensed but PIMPS are probably the most serious of offenders in this whole process. They manipulate and exploit children into prostitution so that they can make money off them,that we should stand against.

This is not called prostitution its simple straight forward child rape/abuse. Prostitution involves two consenting adults. A child is unable to given informed conset and therefore it needs ot be called something else!

PIMPS and customer

The tragic tale of Shaniya Davis focuses attention on a problem that no one wants to talk about, the reality of human trafficking.

The death of an innocent 5-year-old fills our hearts with sorrow. Her autopsy results may lead us down unspeakable pathways.

Shaniya's mother faces charges that make us fume, allegedly selling her little girl's dignity and self worth.

At least it forces us to think about the disgraceful statistic, the number of children in the nation who suffer the same fate.

Approximately 200,000 American children are at risk of being trafficked into the sex industry each year.

We need more extensive training of law enforcement to investigate human trafficking. We also need legislators to pass tougher laws.

Maybe one of these days a statute will be named "Shaniya's Law."

 

[susi]

try looking a realistic data like the GAATWC reports. 9 acedemics in 90 cuntries. CATW are not using real data in relation to north american realities. you cannot base assumptions about canada and the US on cambodia or an african war zone. there is simply no comparison.

and i disagree with you completely that many women have pimps in canada. if you ae had bad experiences in this repsect, i am sorry and that is unacceptable. we all agree that these exploiters must be weeded out. but let's not buy into the abolitionist feminazi rhetoric. every sex worker is not a slave. not all sex workers were abused as children. not all sex workers are being trafficked by pimps and in fact those workers who are being exploited make up the minority, not the majority.

check out this article from cambodia....

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091005/thrupkaew/5

AVENGING ANGELS

Indeed, the "war on trafficking" blew up in Cambodia last year. In the wake of US pressure on trafficking and the advent of a new countertrafficking law, the Cambodian government launched a campaign of indiscriminate sweeps of streets and brothels. Security forces harassed HIV-outreach workers, disrupting condom-distribution efforts, and caged sex workers and street people in detention centers--actions that drew criticism from UN agencies and other civil society groups.



Cambodian government officials responded with indignation. "It is not true police are using this law to arrest and extort money from the suspects," said Gen. Bith Kim Hong, head of the anti-trafficking police. "We never arrest prostitutes, but rather we save them from brothels."



According to LICADHO, the sweeps resulted in the murder of three detainees, who were beaten to death by prison guards, and the suicides of at least five others.

IJM did not help conduct the sweeps and condemned them publicly--Stayton even attempted to contact the local sex workers' collective to offer his help in investigating the allegations of abuse. He was rebuffed by silence, however--a representative of the collective argued that the sweeps were an unsurprising consequence of US pressure on trafficking, in which IJM has played a strong part, and of a policy that favors engagement with law enforcement while failing to heed the voices of those they ostensibly protect.

antitrafficking campaigns suck and harm sex workers every where. the numbers are super inflated and it is a fund raising tactic...ie poverty pimpin.

here's more articles related to the failure of governments to justify the huge numbers of trafficked people in the sex industry....

they raided 900 brothels and found how many trafficking victims?....80,000 as they predicted...?no....zero,nada,none.....

The head of the UK Human Trafficking Centre, Grahame Maxwell, who is chief constable of North Yorkshire, acknowledged the importance of the figures: “The facts speak for themselves. I’m not trying to argue with them in any shape or form,” he said.
He said he had commissioned fresh research from regional intelligence units to try to get a clearer picture of the scale of sex trafficking. “What we’re trying to do is to get it gently back to some reality here,” he said.
“It’s not where you go down on every street corner in every street in Britain, and there’s a trafficked individual.
“There are more people trafficked for labour exploitation than there are for sexual exploitation. We need to redress the balance here. People just seem to grab figures from the air.”

http://www.wisdomofwhores.com/2009/10/21/traffic-jam-where-are-all-the-bonded-hookers/

We have argued that the figures are based on questionable methods and that most are unreliable. While Home Office reports use an apologetic tone and many caveats to excuse the "poor" data and high margins of error, ministers, MPs and prohibitionists seized on the figures as indicative of a serious problem. The confusion and misinformation leads to the diverting of resources from other victims, increasing police power to invade ordinary workers' lives, and the further stigmatising of sex workers. The intensive surveillance and repeated raids justified by the exaggerated claims directly threaten the safety of sex workers by forcing them to be more clandestine. They also make it difficult for non-coerced sex workers, and indeed their clients, to collaborate in the exposure of traffickers for fear of arrest and possible deportation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/oct/22/sex-trafficking-crime-bill

Not all feminists support the policing and crime bill. We have been campaigning alongside sex workers against workers being driven into clandestine situations where they face more dangerous and exploitative conditions. The government's trafficking policy, putatively concerned with women's rights, is really about migration. It serves not only to victimise migrant women, but also to criminalise migrant men. Moral panic over trafficking has created a smokescreen behind which the state has intensified its policing of all migrant workers, particularly women. Increasing police powers to raid workplaces and enforce inhumane migration controls can hardly be in the interests of any woman.

Mary Partington & Gwyneth Lonergan

Feminist Fightback




http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/trafficking-numbers-women-exaggerated

This story basically explains how a real study in 1998 started out with a shakey estimate of 1400 possibly trafficed sex workers became 25,000 by the time it reached the hands of the media and politicians to use as an excuse for raids. It then goes on to show the apparent backpedaling by the police, etc, when they failed so

There is something familiar about the tide of misinformation which has swept through the subject of sex trafficking in the UK: it flows through exactly the same channels as the now notorious torrent about Saddam Hussein's weapons.

In the story of UK sex trafficking, the conclusions of academics who study the sex trade have been subjected to the same treatment as the restrained reports of intelligence analysts who studied Iraqi weapons – stripped of caution, stretched to their most alarming possible meaning and tossed into the public domain. There, they have been picked up by the media who have stretched them even further in stories which have then been treated as reliable sources by politicians, who in turn provided quotes for more misleading stories.

Fiona Mactaggart, a former Home Office minister, in January 2008 outstripped MacShane's estimates, telling the House of Commons that she regarded all women prostitutes as the victims of trafficking, since their route into sex work "almost always involves coercion, enforced addiction to drugs and violence from their pimps or traffickers."

There is no known research into UK prostitution which supports this claim.

In November 2008, Mactaggart repeated a version of the same claim when she told BBC Radio 4's Today in Parliament that "something like 80% of women in prostitution are controlled by their drug dealer, their pimp, or their trafficker."

Again, there is no known source for this.

Challenged to justify this figure by a different Radio 4 programme, More or Less, in January 2009, Mactaggart claimed that it comes from the Home Office's 2004 report on prostitution, Paying the Price.

But there is no sign of the figure in the report.

more quoted


Last year (2008), Poppy published a report called The Big Brothel, which claimed to be the most comprehensive study ever conducted into brothels in the UK and which claimed to have found "indicators of trafficking in every borough of London".

That report was subsequently condemned in a joint statement from 27 specialist academics who complained that it was "framed by a pre-existing political view of prostitution". The academics said there were "serious flaws" in the way that data had been collected and analysed; that the reliability of the data was "extremely doubtful"; and that the claims about trafficking "cannot be substantiated."

And?

Dealing with this, the document explains: "The number of 'potential victims' has been refined as more informed decisions have been made about whether or not the individual is believed to be a victim of human trafficking for sexual exploitation ... Initial considerations were made on limited information ... When interviewed, the potential victim may make it clear that they are not in fact a victim of trafficking and/or inquiries may make it clear that they are not and/or inquiries may show that initial consideration was based on false or incomplete information."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

Inquiry fails to find single trafficker who forced anybody into prostitution. The failure has been disclosed by a Guardian investigation which also suggests that the scale of and nature of sex trafficking into the UK has been exaggerated by politicians and media.
The analysis reveals that 10 of the 55 police forces never found anyone to arrest. And 122 of the 528 arrests announced by police never happened: they were wrongly recorded either through honest bureaucratic error or apparent deceit by forces trying to chalk up arrests which they had not made. Among the 406 real arrests, more than half of those arrested (230) were women, and most were never implicated in trafficking at all.

Only 22 people were finally prosecuted for trafficking, including two women who had originally been "rescued" as supposed victims. Seven of them were acquitted. The end result was that, after raiding 822 brothels, flats and massage parlours all over the UK, Pentameter finally convicted of trafficking a grand total of only 15 men and women. Pentameter used a definition, from the UK's 2003 Sexual Offences Act, which makes it an offence to transport a man or woman into prostitution even if this involves assisting a willing sex worker. Internal police documents reveal that 10 of Pentameter's 15 convictions were of men and women who were jailed on the basis that there was no evidence of their coercing the prostitutes they had worked with.



Related reading for more information:

http://www.wisdomofwhores.com/category/the-sex-trade/

 

[susi]

we could call this the "dark side of rescue" ....I AM NOT A SLAVE!

 

[myselftheother]

we could call this the "dark side of rescue" ....I AM NOT A SLAVE!

I like what you posted about the powers that be falsifying "facts" and numbers of arrested....huge waste of resources. I'm sure there are those who are exploited, victimized, etc....but at a fraction of what is "believed" by those who beat the moral drum.

 

[susi]

still sweet seductive, please show us some research to back that up...because everything i've seen says the opposite. the minority of workers are trafficked and pimped, not the majority. what makes you believe that many canadian sex workers are pimped?

reports written by people like melissa farely and bejamin perrin have no basis in acedemic reality. they were never research review board scrutinized as per canadian federal government guidleines for ethical reseacrh involvong human beings and as a result the data is skewed causing the reactionary enforcement strategies we see workers all over canada being subjected to.

in a consultation the BCCEC did with street entrenched workers, those workers felt the police who pushed them from neighbourhood to neighbourhood were traffickers, and residents na dbuisness owners who drive them out of communities were also traffickers. so i guess in that sense, criminalization, we are all trafficked...by the police and system at large.

the rcmp state 800 cases a year and only 1/3 of that is people trafficked for sex work. yes, one is too many but would we risk the safety of everyone else -the thousands of sex workers who are not trafficked by believing the hype and buying into their fundraising campaigns?after all, these people are playing on the fears of the mainstream community around the sex industry. because people don't know what goes on in the sex industry it's easy to scare them into believing almost anything. let's not forget, sex workers were only classified as human beings in vancouver in 1973.they are doing it to raise money and pay themselves salaries. they are liars and they lie for their own profit with total complacency for the safety and stability of the people affected, sex workers.

this is just the latest way they try to diminish our voices and perspectives and to exclude us from any decisions regarding our future

hearing a rumour is exactly the problem. rumor is not fact. we need to be clear on the facts before we make sweeping statenments like many sex workers are pimped. it feeds into the feminazi rhetoric. most of us are NOT pimped. and policies based on the assumtion that we all need to be rescued from pimps or traffickers is what is causing the destabilization we see happening today.

 

[susi]

not irritated babe...sorry if i seem it.

just been dealing with the trafficking thing for about 2 years and it really upsets me.

for me sexual expoitation of a baby is not prostitution. when exploitation and sex work are conflated, it leads to problems over all for everyone.

 

[westcoast555]

This is not the prostitution... it is child abuse and slavery. Prostitution is the willing exchange of sex for money between consenting adults. As such it should be legalized.

Providing a safe and non-marginalized environment would reduce the kind of tragic incidents such as what is described above. It wouldn't eliminate it but it would help. It would also greatly reduce exploitation by pimps.

But we keep our puritanical blinders on and live with the hypocrisy and denial that suffuse our sexuality and it makes everything worse than it has to be.

 

[Cookies N Scream]

not irritated babe...sorry if i seem it.

just been dealing with the trafficking thing for about 2 years and it really upsets me.

for me sexual expoitation of a baby is not prostitution. when exploitation and sex work are conflated, it leads to problems over all for everyone.

I agree! The majority of the sex workers that I ever knew who had a pimp when I lived in Victoria, were underaged. Underaged sexually exploited youth cannot be defined as 'sex workers'.

 

[sweet_seductive]

The darker side is very dark.



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SAN JOSE, Costa Rica—The sexual exploitation of girls and boys, largely
by American men, has reached alarming proportions in Central America,
according to children's rights advocates who say the region is now a
priority in their struggle against child prostitution and pornography.
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The dark side of prostitution is not that it exists at all, but the fact that a pimp controls most girls and that their exploitation is not just confined to roadside prostitution

Interesting! Here is a link regarding Child Sex Trade Rises In Central America. It is called: Prostitution Is 'Dark Side of Tourism'

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/costarica/prostitution.htm

 

[sweet_seductive]

Underaged sexually exploited youth cannot be defined as 'sex workers'.

I agree for the simple fact that they did not decide to become sex workers and they don't have the legal age to do so.

 

[sweet_seductive]

Here is a movie's ad/sample all about the life of a teen prostitute. I never seen that movie. I guess it must have been an older movie in the 80s.



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[sweet_seductive]

A friend emailed me this clip, but I can't seem to find the movie anywhere. I hope he was not making fun of people. Even though it says she is prostitute in the title, I think she must be a victim more than anything else since her Parents abandoned her. It is really too bad.

 

[.leonardo]

I always love these type of threads on this forum. You always get the SP's that come racing in to proudly claim they have nothing to do with this and they do what they like because yo, they like it. And I think for the most part, most of it is bullshit. It's not much different than the SP's on this site who never seem to mention the bad side of this profession. But that's bad business..you don't want to talk about how it was so incredibly gross sucking off that fat dude that forget to clean his ass in the shower.

There probably are a few women that love being hookers, but I'd bet that if I offered a 60K a year stable M-F job to anyone that was a SP, the lineup would be long. For every woman out there that "enjoys" being a SP, there are another 9 that do it because they really don't have another viable option outside of working at some service job. I'm a guy with a high sex drive and I can't imagine having to fuck 5 women a day (4 of them not so hot).

The only real solution for this industry is to completely legalize it and make a "cottage industry". That means that SP's work for themselves..not for the government. Not for the man. Not for anyone. And they are permitted to have an internal communication system that openly shares information about asshole males out to hurt them.

And serious ass jail time for ANYONE that violates any female of any age.

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