so what you suggest we do then man??? lets hear your great theory on how to correct this "blip" in history. so many people cry injustice, but thats it, no solution. where is your solution????? if you can come up with one that doesnt interfere with mine or anyone others rights here as well as the natives, then you have a legit reason to gripe. otherwise, you and the many other justice seekers can just shut the fuck up and move on! and go eat a friggen donair!
The white man stole Canada & the USA from the Native
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You obviously do not know many First Nations people. You are judging their situation by the very little you know which is all negative.
They are very prosperous, intelligent and powerful people who are quite capable of defending themselves without your valiant vocal intervention.
The Squamish Nation owns and rents out a good deal of land on the North Shore, the Musqueam Nation owns and rents out a good deal of land off of UBC, and many other Nations up the valley are doing pretty good with their real estate, shopping malls, casinos,and in the last ten years, retirement communities, all making money off white folks, and, with the gambling casinos, the Asian population.
Land settlements up North have been good and all over the South of BC the First Nations people are doing well.
They are a power to reckon with now. If we all moved back to Europe their economy would fail. We are not living in tents anymore lenny. It would surprise you to know that First Nations people like to play golf and drive Cadillacs and Mercedes Benz and enjoy living in monster homes with luxury appliances.
There are still reserves with the very downtrodden, but, they represent a minority of the Native population. In recent years the population off reserve has been growing rapidly, with a population explosion in the early 20 to early 30 years. The reserves are not growing, and, there are many fewer children living on reserves in the Lower Mainland. A lot of reserves are now building homes to rent out to White Folks.
They are very prosperous, intelligent and powerful people who are quite capable of defending themselves without your valiant vocal intervention.
The Squamish Nation owns and rents out a good deal of land on the North Shore, the Musqueam Nation owns and rents out a good deal of land off of UBC, and many other Nations up the valley are doing pretty good with their real estate, shopping malls, casinos,and in the last ten years, retirement communities, all making money off white folks, and, with the gambling casinos, the Asian population.
Land settlements up North have been good and all over the South of BC the First Nations people are doing well.
They are a power to reckon with now. If we all moved back to Europe their economy would fail. We are not living in tents anymore lenny. It would surprise you to know that First Nations people like to play golf and drive Cadillacs and Mercedes Benz and enjoy living in monster homes with luxury appliances.
There are still reserves with the very downtrodden, but, they represent a minority of the Native population. In recent years the population off reserve has been growing rapidly, with a population explosion in the early 20 to early 30 years. The reserves are not growing, and, there are many fewer children living on reserves in the Lower Mainland. A lot of reserves are now building homes to rent out to White Folks.
Haha,...well, i love asians, or at least the women, but i'm not one, by a longshot.
Ah, "prosperity", which is supposed to justify theft of lands, waging war on foreign soils for no good reason except greed, and totally subjecting while almost annihilating other peoples?
The concept of "prosperity" or superiority, is not that much different than the original evil doers purposes, which included gaining lands for their home European cuntries and a belief that they would save the heathen and convert them to various Christian faiths and from eternal hell fire. Prosperity as in atomic bombs to wipe out so many innocent people, as in our culture is better than theirs was?
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Someone breaks into your home and expels you. The thieves kids are born there.
Justice finally intervenes are gives back the land to the owners. Is this right?
Yes or no?
Nice. IOW they have a few crumbs because we didn't completely annihilate them ; Is that supposed to justify our barbarism or make them happy about it? No, they are very bitter about how the white man raped them! And they will never forget!!
So you'ld gladly surrender the freedom and lives of many tribes for a few toys/trinkets. That basicly
sums up the history of what happened. Thanks for the reminder ;
Whoopee. Many or fewer?
North America is a pretty big fuckin house if thats how you wanna compare it man!!!!! holy shit i must have missed that episode of mtv cribs y'all! so then argue to get back the few houses that were pillaged, not the whole damn country. what a fucked up comparision.
Houses? Or Teepees? So Europe wasn't big enough, that's why you left? NA was Indian land.
Lenny how bout this. You feel so strongly about this then how about you be the first to lead the great diaspora you want to occur and leave. You can be the first, you'll be a trail blazer, think of the glory. Trace your genetic roots to wherever it is you think you come from which to your surprise might even be Mongolia because of the spread of the Great Khans over a huge part of the known world.
Actually I'll go one step further and demand that you leave to what you think is your ancestral home land and end this argument, otherwise you're a hypocrite and your continued existence on North American soil actually cements your support for your perceived notion of North America being an occupied territory.
Do you have the balls to put your money where your mouth is? Send me a post card when you get to wherever it is you think you belong. Don't let the door hit you on the ass.
Actually I'll go one step further and demand that you leave to what you think is your ancestral home land and end this argument, otherwise you're a hypocrite and your continued existence on North American soil actually cements your support for your perceived notion of North America being an occupied territory.
Do you have the balls to put your money where your mouth is? Send me a post card when you get to wherever it is you think you belong. Don't let the door hit you on the ass.
I'm not so sure my departure will do them much good. Even though i've spent half my time
in Thailand the last few years, and have spent many thousands on native LT SP's. That
doesn't change the fact than an injustice has occurred, not been righted, could be by a
mass departure, etc, including whatever a Perfect Being would require to make it right.
But i think HE is not so much interested in national as individual justices.
Additionally i wonder if some amount of atonement has occurred through the many Asians
being allowed to live here, if they were where the Natives originally came from.
Since you're in the region, saw an interesting bit the other day that says 1 in 5 people alive today can trace their ancestry to Genghis Khan.
Haha, yeah I've already informed him that he leaves North America for his ancestral homeland that he might end up in Mongolia.
Actually, over the span of an era, many groups migrated along the coast at different intervals. Some of the first groups went to South America and some of the later groups settled the north. They followed the edge of the ice mass fishing and hunting as they went.
There was a group of humans known as the 'long heads' by local natives who were here originally, or first, as we may think it. They were larger in stature and had narrow heads from front to back. They were eventually displaced and became sort of legends.
lenny, your arguments are childish, and, churlish. You have no interest in the rights of indigenous people. You are merely entertaining yourself with a "I know you are but what am I" type of antagonistic thread. Next, we will be treated to the sound of armpit farts.
There was a group of humans known as the 'long heads' by local natives who were here originally, or first, as we may think it. They were larger in stature and had narrow heads from front to back. They were eventually displaced and became sort of legends.
lenny, your arguments are childish, and, churlish. You have no interest in the rights of indigenous people. You are merely entertaining yourself with a "I know you are but what am I" type of antagonistic thread. Next, we will be treated to the sound of armpit farts.
If we caved in to political correctness and tried to re-draw the world's borders to undo perceived wrongdoings committed against every nation/race/culture/religion for the past 100 (200? 500? 1000?) years, it would be impossible. The past is the past. Learn from it and move on.
It's also a popular myth that North America's Indian tribes lived happily at peace, painting with the colors of the wind until whitey showed up and ruined everything. Check history: natives had war. They had slavery. They had genocide. They had disease. They had cannibalism. Whitey just took it up a notch. Sucks.
It's also a popular myth that North America's Indian tribes lived happily at peace, painting with the colors of the wind until whitey showed up and ruined everything. Check history: natives had war. They had slavery. They had genocide. They had disease. They had cannibalism. Whitey just took it up a notch. Sucks.
Sigh, this is an emotional topic. Kinda like throwing a steak into the middle of a pack of pit bulls....
Was there an injustice done? Sure, and we've been paying for it ever since and if it's up to some people we'll continue to pay for it for some time to come. Take a look all over the world and you'll find instance after instance where borders have changed, people have been displaced, etc. over the centuries due to wars and other injustices. How many have said sorry, never mind actually try to compensate for it? damn few I'd say.
So, there's been apologies, there's been (and continues to be) compensation, can we now please stop with handouts and special treatment and get on with life as one nation? I guess not....
Was there an injustice done? Sure, and we've been paying for it ever since and if it's up to some people we'll continue to pay for it for some time to come. Take a look all over the world and you'll find instance after instance where borders have changed, people have been displaced, etc. over the centuries due to wars and other injustices. How many have said sorry, never mind actually try to compensate for it? damn few I'd say.
So, there's been apologies, there's been (and continues to be) compensation, can we now please stop with handouts and special treatment and get on with life as one nation? I guess not....
Lenny, nice flame war topic.
If you're so upset about what the european nations did to you, I've got a parcel of land up north you can go live off of. There's enough fish and animals to sustain quite a few offspring too. Of course, you won't be able to take your cell phone, computer, rifle, or anything else up there, because you wouldn't have any of that without outside help.
If you're so upset about what the european nations did to you, I've got a parcel of land up north you can go live off of. There's enough fish and animals to sustain quite a few offspring too. Of course, you won't be able to take your cell phone, computer, rifle, or anything else up there, because you wouldn't have any of that without outside help.
