Have Deposits, Not Curtailed, The Epidemic Phony Bookings In Greater Vancouver ?

Mr Quim

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For a while, I got the impression that Deposits, were solving the problem of phony Bookings . But, while talking to different Ladies, and what I've seen on other Ladies' Twitter posts .

Phony bookings, are still as rampant, as ever !

There still seems to be some pushback from Clients, I'm told, on placing Deposits .
Which I can't understand, from anyone, who's making a sincere Appointment .

I mean really...
How could it get any easier, than a Gift Card, to prove You're a legitimate Client ?


https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-Most-Discreet-Way-to-Offer-a-Session-Deposit

The deposit thing was a big pain in the ass. I understand why the ladies require it...but still a pain.

The session was worth the hassle however. I would do it again.

For the Record, I have no issue with a Deposit, when seeing a reputable Lady for the first time !

Erica posted this, at the beginning of last Year .
It doesn't sound like, the Situation, has improved ?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?246977-Phony-booking-epidemic

Double D had an interesting Suggestion, which I wonder if it's workable for all Parties concerned ?

After all, We are the Community at large, partaking in this wonderful Entertainment Field !


Perhaps another option in lieu of a deposit when wanting to book with well reviewed ladies that are part of this community is to book with your PERB handle.
It won't always be the case, of course, but I'm sure there is some level of "currency" attached to longer termed members that have contributed to the Forums and established themselves in a certain fashion.
Of course, the anonymity factor would be somewhat blown out of the water.
Or is that just naive thinking?

I personally, haven't generally used my PERB Handle, when introducing myself to new Ladies . I've always thought, it might be better to meet a new Lady, without any preconceived impressions about myself .

But, I'm starting to rethink, that personal approach .
I'm not ashamed of anything I've posted, and I think anyone could get a reasonable impression of the type of Person I am from my Posts ?

To decide, whether I might be a good Fit, as a potential Client .
Or not ?

I sincerely feel disappointed, that whoever is behind this Bullshit, would go to such lengths to impact such genuine Human Beings . Which describes, every reputable Lady, I've had the pleasure of meeting !

There has to be, a reasonable Solution ?

Cheers

P.S. The Issue, is phony Bookings !
No Shows/No Calls, and Last minute Cancellations, with lame Excuses !
Impacting legitimate, sincere SPs, in a most detrimental fashion !
 
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Miss Hunter

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Is this issue in regards to people paying deposits then cancelling? Or when the deposit is requested they SAY they're sending and it never arrives?

If anyone is having issue with the phoney bookings in regards to waiting for deposits that don't show, put a time limit. If they don't pay on time, block them.

E-transfers have NEVER taken more than one hour for me, usually within 30 mins. Ones sent by text are usually immediate. Email can be immediate but a bit often more of a delay I've noticed.

Amazon Gift Cards can take up to 24 hrs if the sender has set up a new account. But they usually arrive within 4hrs.
 

Miss Hunter

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“Deposit” is fast becoming the new red flag....

It’s sad that idiots would make an appointment and not show up
A lot of it, unfortunately, is ladies (or pimps) fake booking other ladies or getting their lapdogs to do it. And to many men this is just sexual entertainment, for us it’s how we make a living.

But, in regards to scammers jumping on the bandwagon to take advantage of the deposit era reputable ladies have worked their asses off for, it’s too bad. The shady fuckery affects all of us. But it’s silly... there’s much more money to be made by actually following through with the sessions instead of scamming deposits. Ripping off deposits is a terrible long term business plan.

If I recall correctly, I think I read a past post of yours where you claimed that you got stiffed. Hopefully you posted a review or warning...
 

lukom

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I don't do e transfers. I don't book far out in advance and the only time I book is usually same day due to my work and life commitments. My main problem with E transfers is it would reveal my full name and while I go through great lengths to do my research before I see an SP, you just never know what a person can do when they know your first, last and middle name. I generally have no problem sharing my first name with an SP, and even though an SP gives me her name, we all know for most part that it's their "stage name". I don't expect to know their real name is and I don't want them knowing my full name either. There should be a level of privacy, once I start doing e transfers for companionship and/or sessions it's another piece of my privacy I'm giving up. I know I'm going to miss out on opportunities because of this, and I'm OK with that. I know myself well enough that I have the integrity never to book a session unless I know for certain that I will be able to make it.
 

Lo-ki

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Check your closet..:)
A lot of us work from our homes. If I don't have someone's legal name or two ESTABLISHED provider references, you're not getting anywhere near my house. Unless it's been slow. Then I take risks I don't want to take :(
Very smart....:rockon::rockon::rockon:
 

lukom

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A lot of us work from our homes. If I don't have someone's legal name or two ESTABLISHED provider references, you're not getting anywhere near my house. Unless it's been slow. Then I take risks I don't want to take :(
That's reasonable enough. I have no problem providing references, but I dont transfer money from my bank account where my full name is revealed. Simple as that. I understand that I will miss out on certain opportunities as a result and I'm okay with that. I'm not the right fit for every SP and not every SP is the right fit for me.
 

Mr Quim

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Just a thought...

Could your PERB Handle, and Profile, be your Deposit/Reference for booking an Appointment ?

If a Reputable SP who's advertised on PERB has seen a Member, and there were no Issues .
She could then Friend that Member, and that would be his Reference/Deposit ?

I don't know what You would make the Guidelines as ?

But, for a hypothetical situation, and argument sake We'll use "Mr Lousy Client" as our PERB Member .

MLC misses 3 Appointments, so it's Ok for SP( Sexy Gal ) to post this Client deficiency in the Public Service Forum .

A SP could check MLC's PERB Profile, to see how many SP had friended Him, and that would be his Reference/Deposit .

PERB does a pretty good Job, of eliminating multiple Handles !
And fellow Ladies, could dictate any Member's acceptability by whether They befriend Them or not .

No confidentiality, or privacy broken !

Just my 2Cents...

Cheers

P.S. I might have to pull in some Favors, and get some Ladies I've seen, to "Friend Me" ? LOL
Shit, I may be stuck with Deposits ! LOL
 
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lukom

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Just a thought...

Could your PERB Handle, and Profile, be your Deposit/Reference for booking an Appointment ?

If a Reputable SP who's advertised on PERB has seen a Member, and there were no Issues .
She could then Friend that Member, and that would be his Reference/Deposit ?

I don't know what You would make the Guidelines as ?

But, for a hypothetical situation, and argument sake We'll use "Mr Lousy Client" as our PERB Member .

MLC misses 3 Appointments, so it's Ok for SP( Sexy Gal ) to post this Client deficiency in the Public Service Forum .

A SP could check MLC's PERB Profile, to see how many SP had friended Him, and that would be his Reference/Deposit .

PERB does a pretty good Job, of eliminating multiple Handles !
And fellow Ladies, could dictate any Member's acceptability by whether They befriend Them or not .

No confidentiality, or privacy broken !

Just my 2Cents...

Cheers

P.S. I might have to pull in some Favors, and get some Ladies I've seen, to "Friend Me" ? LOL
Shit, I may be stuck with Deposits ! LOL
I think you might be onto something there. Even for fellows who haven't made friends with SP's on perbs I'm sure their general post history is always visible and you can have an idea the type of guy you're dealing with, particularly for those who have been a member for a few years and have quite a few posts. They can also do research on a member based on that and make a judgement call from there.
 

80watts

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Personally I think its all those right wing Christian dudes, hoping to reform the ladies, trying to get them out of the life of sin. If they book the escort, and he dosen't show up; she can't sin.... If they work in groups they can totally cut her off from sinning... and so she is saved..... Hallelujah!!!

And now I have to pay a deposit to see someone new .... Makes me think that brimstone and hellfire should correct their errors..... Or a bolt from Zeus hitting them in the ass.....
 

westwoody

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Could your PERB Handle, and Profile, be your Deposit/Reference for booking an Appointment ?
Some ladies have told me about board members acting badly or no showing.
Ladies prefer to consult other ladies as board personas are not always true reflections of character.
 

Mr Quim

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Some ladies have told me about board members acting badly or no showing.
Ladies prefer to consult other ladies as board personas are not always true reflections of character.

That doesn't surprise Me ! But, that's where the Ladies are in control, as I suggested .

If They don't friend that Member, He doesn't have any Reference provided, to see the next Lady .

And as an additional option, the Ladies could post a warning in the Public Service Forum, about any Issues they felt should be posted about said Member's true character .

PERB could possibly set up a Reference Forum, in each City's section . Which would give "Travelling Ladies", access to the same wealth of information on PERB Members/Clients .

A Review of sorts...
It is afterall the Paid Advertisers, who support this Board's existence, and that would be another perk of being a Paid Advertiser on PERB !
Reviews, that go both ways...

Safety and Security should be paramount, to the SPs who advertise on this Board .

Like I said, just a thought, that might potentially kill two Birds with one Stone . As the old saying goes...

Cheers

P.S. Paid Advertisers also have access to the Ladies' Lounge, where they could post whatever they want about a borderline Member, that they might not be comfortable posting on the general Board .
 

Miss Hunter

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For me, deposits are King. I’ve had no issues collecting them, especially since I gave a gift card option for those who are more comfortable with a higher level of privacy. I haven’t regretted for a second making my deposit policy mandatory. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made in this line of work.

References are iffy. Ladies do get fucked around sometimes. There’s several guys who have tried to slip around my policy by bringing up references, and they also tried slipping around other booking protocol rules of mine... giving me a headache. I don’t have time for headaches.

I’ll give references, but I won’t accept them in lieu of a deposit.
 

Miss Hunter

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With board handles, there has to be a rapport over a period of time before I’ll lift my deposit policy. But when I do that, I’m the one who makes the decision on my own to not request it. I don’t like it when prospective clients ask for exceptions.

I may come across as a bitch in the booking process but I've found a way to screen that works very well for me. If something isn't broken, don't fix it.
 

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With board handles, there has to be a rapport over a period of time before I’ll lift my deposit policy. But when I do that, I’m the one who makes the decision on my own to not request it. I don’t like it when prospective clients ask for exceptions.
In other words......" The Ladies hold the key too the playground "
 

rlock

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A lot of it, unfortunately, is ladies (or pimps) fake booking other ladies or getting their lapdogs to do it. And to many men this is just sexual entertainment, for us it’s how we make a living.

But, in regards to scammers jumping on the bandwagon to take advantage of the deposit era reputable ladies have worked their asses off for, it’s too bad. The shady fuckery affects all of us. But it’s silly... there’s much more money to be made by actually following through with the sessions instead of scamming deposits. Ripping off deposits is a terrible long term business plan.

If I recall correctly, I think I read a past post of yours where you claimed that you got stiffed. Hopefully you posted a review or warning...
Personally I think its all those right wing Christian dudes, hoping to reform the ladies, trying to get them out of the life of sin. If they book the escort, and he dosen't show up; she can't sin.... If they work in groups they can totally cut her off from sinning... and so she is saved..... Hallelujah!!!

And now I have to pay a deposit to see someone new .... Makes me think that brimstone and hellfire should correct their errors..... Or a bolt from Zeus hitting them in the ass.....


I am inclined to agree with Ms. Hunter on the suspected cause. Even counting the obsessive misogynist lone nutters, I think it It's too organized and widespread to be just them. I also suspect it is mostly shady people in the business, trying to sabotage their competition.

[I may be wrong about this but] I haven't heard tales of fake bookings coming from ladies working for agencies / organized groups - the complaints seem to be coming from the indie ladies. Which leads me to believe that the culprits might be those who do not want to have a scene that allows for successful indie ladies.

But yeah, there's also suspicion #2, that it may also be activists - be it the religious puritans or sex-negative "progressive" puritans. In their world, if every SP is supposedly a victim (of sinfulness, of patriarchy - whatever), how can they win that argument if there are indie SP's still around choosing to do this with no element of coercion at all? These activists might choose to eliminate the contrary evidence by driving the indies out of the business using sabotage, leaving only those SP's that can serve as evidence of trafficking and coercion. (A tactic which is like burning the village in order to "save" it, but it wouldn't be the first time.)




That's reasonable enough. I have no problem providing references, but I dont transfer money from my bank account where my full name is revealed. Simple as that. I understand that I will miss out on certain opportunities as a result and I'm okay with that.

I tend to be like Lukom on this one. A desire to be anonymous is not a sign that someone intends to do harm. Information is a weapon, and trustworthiness has to go both ways. (Or should I say, caution is important to both sides in this equation.)

In any case, if I find the screening or deposit system too invasive or prone to scamming, I give up and choose someone else. My loss, but I'd rather not get laid then take the risk.



For me, deposits are King. I’ve had no issues collecting them, especially since I gave a gift card option for those who are more comfortable with a higher level of privacy.

Perhaps you can explain how this works for those who are not as tech-oriented, and never do e-transfers of any kind. How is it possible to get such an electronic gift card without it being linked to any originating source of funds (an account or email addy / IP)?
 

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Perhaps you can explain how this works for those who are not as tech-oriented, and never do e-transfers of any kind. How is it possible to get such an electronic gift card without it being linked to any originating source of funds (an account or email addy / IP)?
You can send it online using a fake name - it's totally anonymous, the lady does not see any of your personal information.
If that doesn't feel discreet enough for you, you can also buy an amazon gift card (with cash) at almost any store, then just send a pic of the code to the SP in question :)
 

Emmy_St_Claire

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Perhaps another option in lieu of a deposit when wanting to book with well reviewed ladies that are part of this community is to book with your PERB handle.
It won't always be the case, of course, but I'm sure there is some level of "currency" attached to longer termed members that have contributed to the Forums and established themselves in a certain fashion.
Of course, the anonymity factor would be somewhat blown out of the water.
Or is that just naive thinking?
Unfortunately a number of the long-term members here with lots of reviews are well known to be terrible clients. Cancelling at the last minute, underpaying, overstaying, haggling for services etc. Just because somebody has seen a lot of ladies, doesn't mean he's a good guy (in fact it can even mean the opposite, i.e. ladies won't repeat with them so they're always seeking out "new talent")
(By the way I am NOT talking about OP :love_heart:)
 
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