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BBFS Discussion: Why does PERB not allow talk of it

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UhOh

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I don't know of any situations where keeping adults in the dark about a dangerous reality is the best course of action. Sweeping it under the rug is a strategy used to look out for the interests of a few at the cost of the majority.
 

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What about, and I mean this seriously, an SP who is BBBJ BLS DFKing you, has you hard, you're flat on your back, and SHE on her own accord, sits Cowgirl on your penis boner?

Isn't it fair to warn other GUYS that she MIGHT do that to them, too?

I mean, I've FANTASIZED what BBF feels like with certain women, hobby and real life. But if staring down the bararrelle, I still would be scared out of my mind.

And, I'm NOT just referring in this scenario to DTES streetwalkers and car dates.

I mean possibly a LL or BP date out of Grouse Creek Inn type of place on King George? Or even an AMP?

IF there is a time and place to warn, isn't this one of them?

Respectfully,
Tim McGee.
I am sorry you are having trouble with this concept. You can say something like "she crossed one of my boundaries" or something equally non-revealing. You mention BBFS and it gets deleted. It's not a grey area. If you get pms about it, you can do as you please, but public posts will be removed.
 

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Although I am not usually one to support censorship over promoting that information be made available, I don't really see how it would do anything that the community would benefit from to change policy around bbfs posts.
In essence, any time two non monogamous people engage in sexual acts the standard operation procedure for safety is to acknowledge that there is a possibility the other person may have one or more partners that they are not engaging in protected sex with and may not even know they have been exposed to something infectious, and to act accordingly (wear a condom and use safe sex practices)
Someone mentioned that they wanted to know who was engaging in bbfs services with clients as they enjoy dining at the y and the idea disgusts them. I hate to ruin it for them, but lots of providers have intimate relationships with people that are not their clients, many of which may not involve protection.
 

summerbreeze

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on one hand, a review alerting us of bbfs is good to know from a health perspective

it also alerts those who like to partake in bbfs and drives more traffic to those providers thus increasing the odds of std

best to keep the warnings in the private message category but far more headaches for those who seek to warn us
 

Quarter Mile'r

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I disagree with any censorship. Take all postings with a grain of salt. Some posters are believable. Many only to a degree. Use your head or hide it in the sand. Your choice.
Totally agree with apl15 if you ignore it or disallow discussion of it you are merely hiding your head in the sand, or if you will up your
ass or someone else's Same goes with drugs, You ignore it, the problem does not go away.

Bottom line and I'm not condoning bbfs, it has been with us ever since adam and eve made out for the first time.
That's the usual way people are born. Yes there are risks today and yesterday that comes with it.
We are all adults here, or so I'm led to believe on some cases. LOL

So when the topic comes up lets discuss it like ADULTS and not let it get out of hand.

One Example I will make and that was with an ad for AMY in maple ridge. I fellow pooner here reported
in a thread that he brought the subject up with Amy when he went to see her that is was in her advertising
on Leolist and according to her she was completely unaware that her boss had placed that in her ad
and was visibly upset by it. I wouldn't doubt that for a second.

Personlly I met Amy earlier this year and I feel sorry to hear that she did not know what her boss placed
in the ad. I could just imagine what she must have felt like. Poor thing as she is a really good provider
and super sweet gal.

So that is my point about the discussion of bbfs, keep it alive and well to benefit the community in
discussion. NOT IGNORANCE.





............................QM'r
 

huggzy

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Well, I'm going to get a lot of heat for saying what I'm about to say.

I'd imagine that there could very well be many that take a contrary view to those of you that have already posted in this thread right now - but they won't say anything because they don't want to be lynched by the self-righteous morality police that patrol these forums.

We have a community here in Perb made up of members that partake in a "hobby" that is not necessarily representative of the overall population at large. As a matter of course there is going to be a sizable proportion of the overall population that thinks that those of you who do partake are fucking out of your minds.

In many of their heads even engaging in behaviours that many of us here would consider pretty "vanilla" such as a massage with happy ending would blow their sense of morality, and that the ladies that earn their living who do this are taking such incredible risks to their reputations, their psychological and emotional health, and their physical health that their even willing to impose laws that restrict a human being's ability to engage in behaviours that should never be legislated but rather should only be determined by individual consenting adults.

Who the fuck do these puritanical tyrants think they are - imposing their will upon us and determine what behaviour is "too risky" for us to engage in? In the corallory, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE to determine where that line is supposedly crossed?!?!?

And just out of curiosity - all the doomsday prophets here who cry out about how risky certain behaviours are, I need to ask you a question...what makes you believe so strongly that certain acts are an instant death sentence to those that partake? After all - we have 7 billion people on this planet, and as far as I'm aware most of them would have had to have been conceived through unprotected sex someway, somehow. And I'm pretty sure the majority of those people had parents that didn't just drop dead from doing the act.

There is a risk to every behaviour anybody does in everyday life even if its just crossing the street - and as adults we live our lives assessing that risk and making decisions on that basis.

There are people in this world who are scared of their own shadows (hell...there might be one who has even posted a few times in this thread already). Are we all supposed to live our lives based on their perception of what is too risky or immoral? Because if that were the case then the great deal of us might be sitting in jail cells for doing what you are doing right now.

If using a condom is sooooo safe - then what is your concern then? Just keep using it. If you only want to give a CBJ then just keep giving CBJ's - that shouldn't make any difference to you if someone else provides BBBJ because you have that magical force field that makes this whole hobby risk free, right?
 

huggzy

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Right. That's like supporting the return to open sewers and ignoring cholera. Or ignoring food safety practices. Or people in the 40's saying "nah, I don't need this small pox vaccine". I give zero fucks if you want to sit at home and partake in behaviour that might kill you. Be my guest. But this is a public health issue. It affects more than 1 person.
At no point did I advocate doing any specific behaviour. The point I did make obviously flew completely over your head - but that tends to happen to the puritans of this world.
 

Quarter Mile'r

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Right. That's like supporting the return to open sewers and ignoring cholera. Or ignoring food safety practices. Or people in the 40's saying "nah, I don't need this small pox vaccine". I give zero fucks if you want to sit at home and partake in behaviour that might kill you. Be my guest. But this is a public health issue. It affects more than 1 person.
You're gonna love this one yvr, did you know that the 1950 chevy two door coupe had a 15 dollar option?

It was called SIGNAL LIGHTS............... LOL!!!

Think of all this that way. :pound:
Let's keep it friendly boys and girls or the mod will tear this notice off the school bulletin board.






.......................QM'r
 

Quarter Mile'r

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Awesome idea, we are all in the hobby, pooners and SP's alike.
Everything that is involved in that hobby should be open to discussion. Period.

I'm obviously in favour, but a poll should be opened and if the mod started this thread on
this discussion let him start the poll as well.

I think that is only fair. Also that will give him an answer in short time instead of having to read through
a thousand posts to make a decision.




..........................QM'r
 

huggzy

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LOL, if I'm a puritan than Satan is one evil motherfucker.
You might think I'm being a prick by making this point, but there is alot of irony in this comment of yours.

The point that seems to be missed by so many is that alot of you would be shocked (but should you though?) by the proportion of hobbiests and providers that partake in activities that you deem to be too risky. Even a sizeable proportion of the ladies who advertise on here do - every single one of them would deny it into their graves of course. But you have to know that there are those that know higher profits come from what is considered "riskier" behaviour, but some deem this to be lower risk if they get a regular client they know, they enjoy and they both agree to take specific precautions. In addition - do you think its only guys that enjoy certain specific acts?

The world isn't all cotton candy and rainbows - we can keep pretending it doesn't happen and ban all talk of it. And we can do the same with bbbj's and that will magically disappear as well I'm sure.

Believe it or not - unprotected sex and escorting existed even before the internet was born and Perb came about. Now what do you think of that?
 

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I agree.

This should be a poll...

Yes, we should allow BBFS discussions.
Or No, we shouldn't allow it.

Who in favor of alerting the public for everyone's safety.
Who in favor of ignoring a sad reality of the hobby... and sometimes of the real world.
No, sorry that is not going to happen. This is not a democracy, not even close. Read the TOS and rules again. The rules surrounding BBFS discussions not being allowed are not going to change. If you like, send a PM to the board owner via the Fred Zed handle and take it up with her. Until the ownership changes the rules, they will be enforced. By the way, if the ranting and raving about this topic continues, Quarter Miler is correct, the thread will disappear. I posted this for a rational discussion. Huggzy among others is well past that standard into dangerous territory. Warning to all, discuss topics like an adult, or be prepared for the inevitable consequences.
 

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PerbMod! You've gone and done it now! lol
Whenever this subject comes up i'm always perplexed.
Anyone who's done their research knows the same infections one can contract through bbfs are possible through bbbj and daty. Except perhaps HIV.
https://smartsexresource.com/about-stis/know-your-chances-0
Yet bbbj and daty are accepted here as fine. ??
As has been said, sex workers are having uncovered fun in their personal lives, as are customers.
I've never been offered or even heard of it from anyone i know or trust, but I suppose uncovered fun could be happening between providers and clients.
If your concerned, cover up or stay home.
 

poonerboi

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I think it should be allowed as a TOPIC for discussion,such as this thread. What should be censored are the threads naming sps or clients or what have you. Nothing to harm reputations or drive business to bbfs providers.
 

SkinnyJohn

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Out of curiosity sake, I wonder how pooners would feel if their regular favorite SP had offered BBFS to other clients except him, would he be offended, hurt, angry about the exposure to STDs, unfazed? Would he confront her, let it go and cut off contact, or try to get BBFS?

Or if it was a favorite retired SP would all the great memories become tainted? Wouldn't mind starting a thread about this just to see some feedback.
 

nwtl

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Out of curiosity sake, I wonder how pooners would feel if their regular favorite SP had offered BBFS to other clients except him, would he be offended, hurt, angry about the exposure to STDs, unfazed? Would he confront her, let it go and cut off contact, or try to get BBFS?

Or if it was a favorite retired SP would all the great memories become tainted? Wouldn't mind starting a thread about this just to see some feedback.
My reactions would be: meh. Or, perhaps feeling lucky to have remained protected.
 

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I think it should be allowed as a TOPIC for discussion,such as this thread. What should be censored are the threads naming sps or clients or what have you. Nothing to harm reputations or drive business to bbfs providers.
I agree to have open discussion about it. It's out there and we all know it.

Leolist really should have a proper report system. Blatantly fake pics and BBFS ads especially from foreign workers. You can push the report button but that's it. It doesn't distinguish if you are reporting someone using Margot Robbie's pics or an offer of BBFS. Who knows if they actually agree to do BBFS or if the person holding their passport is making them do it.

Couple years ago after writing a few new reviews, I'd always get pm's asking for extra $ will she go without a cover? I never replied; it seemed too out there to reply.

Definitely no naming names either. That would turn ugly and be used like a weapon against SP and Pooners alike. Without proof the accusers might assert who is bare backing. There seems to be a logic if you tell a lie enough times, it eventually becomes a "fact".

The "Health Nurse" is still around and I've noticed them. Presumably answering PMs etc.

I recall they wanted questions directed directly to their website so anyone there can answer questions etc

https://smartsexresource.com
 

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Another thread closed, posts deleted and two guys given a one week ban today. People, get the message, BBFS is not to be discussed. Moreover, claiming "I heard" a provider has an STI is a one way ticket to a ban. The two guys today are the last to be given the benefit of the doubt, longer bans will be issued if necessary to enforce the message. I don't want to have to do this, but it seems that we have a group of posters determined to force the issue.
 

poonerboi

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They could easily develop a system that blocks posts with specific words in it.
They do! That is why so many ads are written in "hacker" ( ie gr33k) .Leolist blocks many words and acronyms . I have personally sent them a detailed complaint and have nor received a response. It would seem they removed bbfs from their blocked list.
 

rlock

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I would only want to hear the term BBFS discussed as a negative - I would want to know, only so I know which ones to avoid*.

I'm perfectly OK with the Mods cracking down on any discussion of how best to find it. Nobody in their right mind should seek it from an SP; no SP or group in their right mind should ever offer it.

Of course, some do - if you draw any red line of conduct, even if it makes sense, there's inevitably some person who will try to cross it.

But that doesn't mean they have to be doing that here. Uphold the online quarantine - divide those Poxy Pete's and Typhoid Mary's from the rest of us.



*And yeah, I know - some people are liars and fake accusations may happen. But hopefully we can see for ourselves when people are being dishonest.
 
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Robert Upndown

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All of you lock your cars, the doors to your home, your office, watch your wallet when out in public, protect your pin numbers, look over your shoulder at night when in a strange neighborhood etc... Why? Because you do not trust strangers. Yet reading this post, and others, tells me that you would believe some idiot stranger, hiding behind a keyboard, talking about an SP with an alleged STI or offering BBFS, because you want to know which SP's to avoid? As if just because he has written about it on PERB, it must be true. Are you kidding me!

It is like you are part of some secret society and because you all have a penis, that makes you brethren. You write about these ladies as if they are meat, get all indignant when one of them stands up for herself. Then you circle the wagons when other members defend the ladies, because they disagree with a stranger hiding behind a keyboard, that may or may not have an agenda.

Some of you need a serious reality check. It is embarrassing to read some of the things you so called gentlemen write. These ladies are human beings and for the most of you, would not give you the time of day, unless you pay them to do so. You should feel privileged and lucky that the good quality SP's share themselves with you. And if you pay $180 dollars at 3am, shut up! You deserve what you get.

There are certainly a number of scams. fake pics and so on. That should be the purpose of this board. Not discussing intricate details and unsubstantiated rumors.
Bob
 
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