Luxxxe Affaire

Federal Financial Aid for Sex Workers

treveller

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The title refers to what should be. If sex workers don't apply we will never know.

Here is the link
https://www.canada.ca/en/department...ans-and-businesses.html#Support_for_Canadians

The link shows Canada’s COVID-19 Economic Response Plan: Support for Canadians and Businesses. They are entitled to the same support as other Canadian workers and business owners.

I would like to post this in the main forum. Any objections from the Mod?
 

treveller

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Sex workers should be eligible for $8000 aid from the federal government (Canada Emergency Response Benefit ) plus other moneys from other programs.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...e-benefit-to-help-workers-and-businesses.html

https://duttonlaw.ca/canada-emergen...e_Canada_Emergency_Response_Benefit_available

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/economic-response-plan/covid19-individuals.html

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...fering-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-1.4869158

https://nowtoronto.com/news/coronavirus-ei-benefits-canada-worker-relief/

The government should should start taking applications first week of April for the Canada Emergency Response Benefit program, $2000 per month for 4 months.
 

treveller

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They have clearly covered people who are self employed or on contract. There are two problems.

- It seems you will have to say you had no work at all in the last two weeks when you apply. It seems there is no provision for those who lost only a portion of their income.

- I suspect they simply forgot to include something that excludes sex workers. I hope I am wrong. It could be a problem because the Harper Conservatives only gave sex workers an exemption from prosecution after making their work a criminal offence. This may come as a cruel surprise to sex workers who believed the rhetoric about not targeting sex workers. The unlawful nature of the work may be used as an excuse to exclude sex workers from the program.

I hope as many sex workers as possible will apply for the $8000. I wish one of the support agencies somewhere in Canada would encourage participation and track the government response. It could advance the interests of all sex workers, however it plays out.

The program is supposed to be open for applications on April 6th. No idea how long it will take them to get the cheques and deposits out the door. They have the Phoenix Pay System as a model.
 

Miss Hunter

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When I sit down and compare the amount of Financial Aid the government is offering and comparing it to the actual cost of living in Vancouver

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susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
If a lady has already fallen behind in filing her taxes, depending on how much she has made, she may very well owe money.....
there is a free program you can download on-line called studio tax - https://www.studiotax.com/en/

it is recognized by the Government of Canada. it features a "wizard" which allows you to e-file on-line and fills the forms for you via a series of prompts. i have used it for years and it works well. you get a chance to review your taxes before filing too. This way people can file and the qualify for the emergency fund.

also, it is not likely back taxes will result in an amount owing.

If people need help with this please feel to reach out to me and i will explain further and try to support you accessing this funding.

there is also a plan emerging for a separate low barrier fund for people who still do not qualify.

again, please message me if you need support with accessing some funding.

love susie
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
They have clearly covered people who are self employed or on contract. There are two problems.

- It seems you will have to say you had no work at all in the last two weeks when you apply. It seems there is no provision for those who lost only a portion of their income.

- I suspect they simply forgot to include something that excludes sex workers. I hope I am wrong. It could be a problem because the Harper Conservatives only gave sex workers an exemption from prosecution after making their work a criminal offence. This may come as a cruel surprise to sex workers who believed the rhetoric about not targeting sex workers. The unlawful nature of the work may be used as an excuse to exclude sex workers from the program.

I hope as many sex workers as possible will apply for the $8000. I wish one of the support agencies somewhere in Canada would encourage participation and track the government response. It could advance the interests of all sex workers, however it plays out.

The program is supposed to be open for applications on April 6th. No idea how long it will take them to get the cheques and deposits out the door. They have the Phoenix Pay System as a model.
so the "alliance" - a national group of groups -...lol...are totally working on this and sex worker org' s across canada are ready to help our community. the procedures and resources available are being defined and it's my understanding that as long as you have filed your taxes for more than $5000 for 2019...you can apply for the funding.

the provincial funding being separate is good as it will come faster than the federal IMHO.

I am preparing a detailed update for my sunday article and will post what i compile here too.

love susie
 

wilde

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Please seek professional advice. Depending on your net self-employment income, you may not owe a lot of tax but once you add CPP on self-employment (you pay BOTH portion, employer and employee), late-filing penalty and arrears interest; you may be in for a rude awakening.
 

haigum141

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Please seek professional advice. Depending on your net self-employment income, you may not owe a lot of tax but once you add CPP on self-employment (you pay BOTH portion, employer and employee), late-filing penalty and arrears interest; you may be in for a rude awakening.
SP's are an auditor's wet dream, they must be frothing at all the unpaid taxes and interest owed.

Gov't of Canada isn't stupid, if you make income (yes, even cash) and don't declare it for years and then you declare it later they put a tab on your file. Especially if there are huge inconsistencies in your income and life style (e-transfers for rent, cheque deposits, random deposits to your bank account etc.). Tax evasion is a crime after all.
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
ok, so it is not as scary as is being expressed here. you don't have to put "escort" or "companion" on your taxes. so the wet dream of auditors is irrelevant.

consultant, self employed,etc. will work just fine and not set off any alarms as it were.

no one is suggesting that sp's who haven't declared in awhile should declare for the last (10years) . there are ways to prevent the issues being raised here via careful planning and attention to detail. i am happy to help anyone or answer questions about how to file your taxes safely.

i know you guys think we are all rolling in dough but not all of us are. many sp's already file as self employed or a corporation and have already dealt with the CPP and EI payments. for those who maybe on disability or income assistance it is a different story. For other newer sp's who may not realize they can pay into tax and create a credit history for themselves ( a credit history and good credit are great assets) we are hoping to ensure they qualify for income subsidies being offered by government via support filing their taxes.

if people have any questions at all about filing or benefits, please feel free to contact me and we can discuss your personal circumstances. i am not offering a "paid" service...ust access to my 30+ years of experience in this regard.

hope everyone is hangin in there...

and please don't worry - it is highly unlikely there would be any investigation into your taxes should you choose to file in spite of the little bit of "fear" being promoted here...

i mean really guys...do we need to hear another way we could be criminalized right now? do you really think they have time to investigate a completely non "red flag" small tax account during this time? why do you feel the need to scare people? some sp's will desperately need access to the programs being offered and really don't need another barrier to accessing them - fear -

i know you mean well and are trying to prevent sp's from receiving a big bill for CPP but we have taken that into consideration.

love susie
 

haigum141

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ok, so it is not as scary as is being expressed here. you don't have to put "escort" or "companion" on your taxes. so the wet dream of auditors is irrelevant.

consultant, self employed,etc. will work just fine and not set off any alarms as it were.

no one is suggesting that sp's who haven't declared in awhile should declare for the last (10years) . there are ways to prevent the issues being raised here via careful planning and attention to detail. i am happy to help anyone or answer questions about how to file your taxes safely.

i know you guys think we are all rolling in dough but not all of us are. many sp's already file as self employed or a corporation and have already dealt with the CPP and EI payments. for those who maybe on disability or income assistance it is a different story. For other newer sp's who may not realize they can pay into tax and create a credit history for themselves ( a credit history and good credit are great assets) we are hoping to ensure they qualify for income subsidies being offered by government via support filing their taxes.

if people have any questions at all about filing or benefits, please feel free to contact me and we can discuss your personal circumstances. i am not offering a "paid" service...ust access to my 30+ years of experience in this regard.

hope everyone is hangin in there...

and please don't worry - it is highly unlikely there would be any investigation into your taxes should you choose to file in spite of the little bit of "fear" being promoted here...

i mean really guys...do we need to hear another way we could be criminalized right now? do you really think they have time to investigate a completely non "red flag" small tax account during this time? why do you feel the need to scare people? some sp's will desperately need access to the programs being offered and really don't need another barrier to accessing them - fear -

i know you mean well and are trying to prevent sp's from receiving a big bill for CPP but we have taken that into consideration.

love susie
Vast majority of Canadians are employed by someone else and their taxes are automatically deducted. The minority of people who run a business or corporation, or self-employed/consultant that need to self-declare are the ones that get audited. They leave a tab on your file for 7 years. The tax record of SP’s declaring for financial aid are exactly the types of people who get checked on. Most people have consistent and regular filing. They won’t audit you right away, but don’t assume that the Canadian government is naive when it comes to taxes and you can “outsmart” them by declaring improperly. They created the entire system and they are extremely good at collecting on owed taxes. You shouldn’t “plan” around not filing your taxes and not declaring your cash income. That’s called tax evasion. It’s a civic duty and a Canadian citizen’s social responsibility to contribute fairly.

The federal financial stimulus package comes from the tax dollars of regular tax-paying Canadians who deserve the aid because they contributed fairly every year and didn’t skip on their taxes & only decide to declare when it serves them benefits to do so.
 
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appleomac

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Vast majority of Canadians are employed by someone else and their taxes are automatically deducted. The minority of people who run a business or corporation, or self-employed/consultant that need to self-declare are the ones that get audited. They leave a tab on your file for 7 years. The tax record of SP’s declaring for financial aid are exactly the types of people who get checked on. Most people have consistent and regular filing. They won’t audit you right away, but don’t assume that the Canadian government is naive when it comes to taxes and you can “outsmart” them by declaring improperly. They created the entire system and they are extremely good at collecting on owed taxes. You shouldn’t “plan” around not filing your taxes and not declaring your cash income. That’s called tax evasion. It’s a civic duty and a Canadian citizen’s social responsibility to contribute fairly.

The federal financial stimulus package comes from the tax dollars of regular tax-paying Canadians who deserve the aid because they contributed fairly every year and didn’t skip on their taxes & only decide to declare when it serves them benefits to do so.
I think you completely missed the ball when it comes to susie's post. It wasn't about advocating trying to "outsmart and "declaring improperly." The point of her post was providing some basic guidance on how you could possible take a cash income endeavor and file with CRA to actually declare their cash income. You rant/rave about civic duty about doing taxes/paying taxes yet in the same breath you basically try to scare people with a cash income stream from filing their taxes by categorizing all cash income earners as tax-evaders that will be audited. You're basically saying servers should do their civic duty and declare cash tips while at the same time saying when you declare cash income you are more likely to be audited (which is pure fallacy and delusion and borderline advocating that they shouldn't declare their cash income). Tons of servers declare cash income and the vast majority of them never get audited - food for thought!
 

haigum141

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I think you completely missed the ball when it comes to susie's post. It wasn't about advocating trying to "outsmart and "declaring improperly." The point of her post was providing some basic guidance on how you could possible take a cash income endeavor and file with CRA to actually declare their cash income. You rant/rave about civic duty about doing taxes/paying taxes yet in the same breath you basically try to scare people with a cash income stream from filing their taxes by categorizing all cash income earners as tax-evaders that will be audited. You're basically saying servers should do their civic duty and declare cash tips while at the same time saying when you declare cash income you are more likely to be audited (which is pure fallacy and delusion and borderline advocating that they shouldn't declare their cash income). Tons of servers declare cash income and the vast majority of them never get audited - food for thought!
You’re contradicting yourself and don’t understand what I said previously.

Servers should declare their cash tips as income. Servers pay taxes on majority of their regular income as wages. Most people do not stay as servers as a career and not file their taxes for years on end. Their cash income is often negligible. Servers still file taxes, as servers.

If you don’t declare cash income and your main source of income is cash, meaning you don’t pay majority of your taxes, that’s where issues of tax evasion come in.

Civic duty and social responsibility is when you contribute fairly from your wages to the Canadian government in the form of tax dollars so you can enjoy social benefits such as public education, healthcare and benefits from the recent financial aid package. What you don’t understand about that is when you contribute only when it serves you benefits to do so, you are taking advantage of other regular tax paying Canadians.
 

appleomac

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If you don’t declare cash income and your main source of income is cash, meaning you don’t pay majority of your taxes, that’s tax evasion.
I'm not disputing what tax evasion is. I believe you have a bias/belief that all sex workers do not declare their income (i.e. do their taxes). Some do and some don't. So for someone preaching about "civic duty" and "social responsibility" should perhaps not imply cash income earners will somehow all be audited - you know, because that might just discourage those that are thinking about doing their "civic duty". LOL For crying out loud, instead of giving people more reasons to not file their taxes (since you love everyone doing their "civic duty") why not just provide guidance on ways that they can do their "civic duty." And if you can't, because you're not a tax expert, tax lawyer or tax accountant - maybe, just maybe, don't say anything at all. And certainly don't discourage them from doing their "civic duty."
 

haigum141

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I'm not disputing what tax evasion is. I believe you have a bias/belief that all sex workers do not declare their income (i.e. do their taxes). Some do and some don't. So for someone preaching about "civic duty" and "social responsibility" should perhaps not imply cash income earners will somehow all be audited - you know, because that might just discourage those that are thinking about doing their "civic duty". LOL
You’re not thinking about it clearly and have poor comprehension of what I said. If they haven’t declared their cash income previously, they have already avoided their civic duty. For those people, if they are thinking of improperly declaring now so they can enjoy the benefits of stimulus aid packages, they are taking advantage of other regular tax paying Canadians.
 

appleomac

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You’re not thinking about it clearly and have poor comprehension of what I said. If they haven’t declared their cash income previously, they have already avoided their civic duty. For those people, if they are thinking of improperly declaring now so they can enjoy the benefits of stimulus aid packages, they are taking advantage of other regular tax paying Canadians.
What makes someone choosing to file in the current year "improper"? Even if said someone never declared previously, it doesn't make their current year filing "improper" or invalid. Are some sex workers thinking about filing now when they previously never filed a tax return? Possibly. And I get that you think that is "gaming" the system. But I don't think you've clearly thought this through. Why would anyone declare now, pay taxes on those earnings (which most likely would be the case because of no source income tax deductions for cash earners), just to get 2k per moth for 4 months. There's no guarantee that the 8k less their tax bill will leave them in a net positive position??? Would you declare 60k, get a tax bill for 12k just so you can receive 8k over 4 months??? Well, of course you would, because "civic duty";) But I would imagine those looking to "game" the system will quickly realize they won't be winning that "game."
 
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