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    NHL Owners who wonít pay arena staff during Covid19

    As expected, Francesco Acquilini has made the douchebag list. I expect small market teams and perennial losers at the gate not to pay but these workers are now out of work until further notice.

    Some NHL Players are stepping up to help. No Canucks have stepped up.

    The players get full pay throughout the seasons regardless.

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    Sorry, but I can't support the premise that any business is to do more than what is mandated by law. Everyone is taking a hit here, businesses included - do you really think that a company that has no product to sell should pay workers for not working?
    Just can't agree with laying a guilt trip on those with zero culpability in the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbadboy View Post
    As expected, Francesco Acquilini has made the douchebag list. I expect small market teams and perennial losers at the gate not to pay but these workers are now out of work until further notice.

    Some NHL Players are stepping up to help. No Canucks have stepped up.

    The players get full pay throughout the seasons regardless.

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    If you've ever worked at an arena or stadium as "event staff" (i.e. concession, security, clean up crew, etc.) - you are abundantly aware that such employment is highly transient in nature. As a teenager I worked at the old Pacific Coliseum as "event staff" - things happen, concerts/events get cancelled. Does it suck? Sure. But I (and those I worked with at the time) were well aware of the nature of the employment. Perhaps you should set up a GoFundMe campaign for those workers and start it off yourself with a small donation. That would be more productive than complaining about how someone else should pay out of their own pocket - lead by example

    And there is no guarantee that NHL players will continue to be paid. Craig Button (a former GM) and JP Barry (player super-agent) have both stated it's a matter that still needs to be hashed out with the NHLPA as this scenario has not occurred before. In any event; NHL players get paid twice a month for their contracted salary throughout the regular season. I believe the regular season was scheduled to end first week of April - thus the players have pretty much received the vast majority of their pay for the year already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleomac View Post
    If you've ever worked at an arena or stadium as "event staff" (i.e. concession, security, clean up crew, etc.) - you are abundantly aware that such employment is highly transient in nature. As a teenager I worked at the old Pacific Coliseum as "event staff" - things happen, concerts/events get cancelled. Does it suck? Sure. But I (and those I worked with at the time) were well aware of the nature of the employment. Perhaps you should set up a GoFundMe campaign for those workers and start it off yourself with a small donation. That would be more productive than complaining about how someone else should pay out of their own pocket - lead by example

    And there is no guarantee that NHL players will continue to be paid. Craig Button (a former GM) and JP Barry (player super-agent) have both stated it's a matter that still needs to be hashed out with the NHLPA as this scenario has not occurred before. In any event; NHL players get paid twice a month for their contracted salary throughout the regular season. I believe the regular season was scheduled to end first week of April - thus the players have pretty much received the vast majority of their pay for the year already.
    I think this sums it up just perfect.I dont know the exact end of the NHL season but the Flames had 12 games to go as did most teams as it is a very structured schedule with regards to teams in the same division/conference etc.If those players are not playing they are not meeting their contractual obligations and are owed no compensation IMO.

    All I can is it sucks for the people that work those seasonal jobs.They work for 7-8 months of the year and then collect EI until the start of the next years sporting competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by storm rider View Post
    I think this sums it up just perfect.I dont know the exact end of the NHL season but the Flames had 12 games to go as did most teams as it is a very structured schedule with regards to teams in the same division/conference etc.If those players are not playing they are not meeting their contractual obligations and are owed no compensation IMO.

    All I can is it sucks for the people that work those seasonal jobs.They work for 7-8 months of the year and then collect EI until the start of the next years sporting competition.

    SR
    Really?! Do you know how EI works? A seasonal part-time job wouldn't meet the minimum number of hours to be eligible to collect EI. You are following your regular pattern of speaking with authority on something you obviously don't know enough about.

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    MARK CUBAN IS THE MAN
    Say whatever you want about him and all the other BILLIONAIRE owners. CUBAN GETS IT.
    Kobe n Gigi Bryant dies within 4 hours he retires his number.
    Less than 24 hours after NBA suspends it’s season he commits to full staff season pay.
    Aquilini is basically making people apply for Canuck Welfare. ZERO respect for his ownership.
    BEST SHARK in the tank MARK CUBAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanineCowboy View Post
    Really?! Do you know how EI works? A seasonal part-time job wouldn't meet the minimum number of hours to be eligible to collect EI. You are following your regular pattern of speaking with authority on something you obviously don't know enough about.
    Wow...you are right maybe as I dont know how EI works now.I collected it once when I was 19 and it was called UI then.I have not paid into it for 20 years now,at the same time I dont get to collect it.If I lose my job I have no Social Safety net...I get jolly jolly fuck all...as. in....Jolly Jolly Fuck All....I have fuck all to spend and fuck all to lend and fuck to take home to my wife.

    I get paid each day by what I DO.I have to provide a good work ready vehicle that is up to the job with regards to cargo space/safety/reliability and I also must be "reliable" as in "clock work" reliable each day and give that everyday on a consistent basis which for me is 20 YEARS straight with no sick days and no vacation days except for Stat Holidays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanineCowboy View Post
    Really?! Do you know how EI works? A seasonal part-time job wouldn't meet the minimum number of hours to be eligible to collect EI. You are following your regular pattern of speaking with authority on something you obviously don't know enough about.
    most people working stadium jobs are college kids trying to pay tuition or second and third minimum wage earners trying to pay rent and food/etc for kids. yes paying them the players and loss of game revenue is expensive but letís not kid ourselves the TV contracts are NOT pay per game. EI on a 7-8 month stadium gig. Thatíd be a 30K annual income then the taxes. pay out your staff Cranberry Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyMcgee View Post
    most people working stadium jobs are college kids trying to pay tuition or second and third minimum wage earners trying to pay rent and food/etc for kids. yes paying them the players and loss of game revenue is expensive but let’s not kid ourselves the TV contracts are NOT pay per game. EI on a 7-8 month stadium gig. That’d be a 30K annual income then the taxes. pay out your staff Cranberry Man.
    Well, professional sports TV deals are pretty much pay for games. The networks agree to pay hundreds of millions of dollars per year to have exclusive rights to nationally televise a certain number of games per year (plus certain playoff games/rounds/series). Do you believe a network would pay hundreds of millions with no guarantee of a certain number of games that the network has exclusivity to nationally televise? LOL Then there are the local TV deals on top of the big national TV deals. Those are also pay for games! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleomac View Post
    If you've ever worked at an arena or stadium as "event staff" (i.e. concession, security, clean up crew, etc.) - you are abundantly aware that such employment is highly transient in nature. As a teenager I worked at the old Pacific Coliseum as "event staff" - things happen, concerts/events get cancelled. Does it suck? Sure. But I (and those I worked with at the time) were well aware of the nature of the employment. Perhaps you should set up a GoFundMe campaign for those workers and start it off yourself with a small donation. That would be more productive than complaining about how someone else should pay out of their own pocket - lead by example

    And there is no guarantee that NHL players will continue to be paid. Craig Button (a former GM) and JP Barry (player super-agent) have both stated it's a matter that still needs to be hashed out with the NHLPA as this scenario has not occurred before. In any event; NHL players get paid twice a month for their contracted salary throughout the regular season. I believe the regular season was scheduled to end first week of April - thus the players have pretty much received the vast majority of their pay for the year already.
    Won't anybody think of the billionaire owners too and set up a GoFundMe page for them? They might have to downsize their super yacht. The horrror, the horror!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beasting View Post
    Won't anybody think of the billionaire owners too and set up a GoFundMe page for them? They might have to downsize their super yacht. The horrror, the horror!
    Exactly. Thanks. I can't understand those cynical responses above. Sure it is OK to keep paying millionaire players, but not arena workers and other people who will be really affected. The reason? We should be worried how will billionaire owners and their business handle it.

    Some people here are really out of touch with reality and common sense.

    BTW Good for Gobert, well done, but the billionaire owners, the huge corporations, banks, ... are the one who should "lead by example":

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...lief-services/

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico1 View Post
    Exactly. Thanks. I can't understand those cynical responses above. Sure it is OK to keep paying millionaire players, but not arena workers and other people who will be really affected. The reason? We should be worried how will billionaire owners and their business handle it.

    Some people here are really out of touch with reality and common sense.

    BTW Good for Gobert, well done, but the billionaire owners, the huge corporations, banks, ... are the one who should "lead by example":

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...lief-services/
    Clearly the cynicism runs both ways. Everyone is treading around the subject; but, what some are imploring is to provide others (i.e. those low wage workers affected by shutdowns) with charity. Unfortunately, some that apparently espouse the virtues of charity are not the ones willing to provide the charity. Rather; as is often the case these days, some are merely taking this opportunity to complain as to whom in society should be providing the charity (i.e. the millionaires and the billionaires and the huge corporations and the banks, etc.). Those who merely complain about "whom should" provide the charity seem only to care about telling others how to spend and what to spend it on - i.e. just another opportunity to complain about "this" or "that." Complaining is easy - and it would appear contributing to a solution is just too hard for some!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyMcgee View Post
    MARK CUBAN IS THE MAN
    Say whatever you want about him and all the other BILLIONAIRE owners. CUBAN GETS IT.
    Kobe n Gigi Bryant dies within 4 hours he retires his number.
    Less than 24 hours after NBA suspends it’s season he commits to full staff season pay.
    Aquilini is basically making people apply for Canuck Welfare. ZERO respect for his ownership.
    BEST SHARK in the tank MARK CUBAN
    Cuban is a stand up guy and I wasn’t surprised when I heard he had stepped up. He gets it and knows the league shutting down has immediate effects on the seasonal employees. Not all or even the majority are students. Having spent a lot of time around rinks you get to know the support staff. Many are doing these jobs as well as a few others to make ends meet.

    The best moments in the tank are when Cuban puts Mr Wonderful in his place. It’s one of the reasons I keep watching it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by appleomac View Post
    Clearly the cynicism runs both ways. Everyone is treading around the subject; but, what some are imploring is to provide others (i.e. those low wage workers affected by shutdowns) with charity. Unfortunately, some that apparently espouse the virtues of charity are not the ones willing to provide the charity. Rather; as is often the case these days, some are merely taking this opportunity to complain as to whom in society should be providing the charity (i.e. the millionaires and the billionaires and the huge corporations and the banks, etc.). Those who merely complain about "whom should" provide the charity seem only to care about telling others how to spend and what to spend it on - i.e. just another opportunity to complain about "this" or "that." Complaining is easy - and it would appear contributing to a solution is just too hard for some!
    This is not about charity. Taking care of your employees during hard times and in the state of emergency is not a charity. It is common sense and human decency. Sad to see that some here clearly lack both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico1 View Post
    This is not about charity. Taking care of your employees during hard times and in the state of emergency is not a charity. It is common sense and human decency. Sad to see that some here clearly lack both.
    Taking care of those in need is textbook charity - whether those in need are your friends, family, neighbors, strangers, employees, etc. What isn't charity is ones salary or wages. Salary/wages are exchanged for ones labour, it is a transaction and for most people it is not guaranteed - unfortunate as that may be. Charity is also a choice one makes, a personal choice. Again, unfortunate as it may be, in my opinion others do not have the right to dictate to others what personal choice to make. If you can wrap your head around that, you come to the natural conclusion that one can only dictate the choices one makes themselves.

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