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Would most Persian (Iranian) people in Canada be happy if USA overthrows Iran gov.?

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I assume that most of the people that left Iran for Canada did so because they did not like the current Iranian government. Is it safe to say that Iranians in Canada would be happy to see the current Iranian govenment overthrown by the USA?

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I think the fundamentalist regime is widely unpopular.
Khomeini was a good alternative to the Shah but turned out to be even more repressive.
Most Iranians would be happy to see a change, but the Robles with US style regime change is it is always done for the benefit of the US, not the residents.

US already overthrew an Iranian government when they installed the shah. They have had nothing but trouble since.

How’s that democracy coming along in Afghanistan? Iraq? Not as easy as it looks eh.
 

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Along the same vein, would most American people in Canada be happy if Canada overthrow the US government?
 

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It would depend on why they left the USA for Canada. If it was because of Trump, then HELL YES!!!

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I am not so sure, considering such an overthrow would involve bombing the hell out of their country, killing lots of people possibly including the friends and family they left behind. Not to mention other social, cultural, and political impacts.
 

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I am not so sure, considering such an overthrow would involve bombing the hell out of their country, killing lots of people possibly including the friends and family they left behind. Not to mention other social, cultural, and political impacts.
I was using the scenario where aliens come down to Earth and gave the Canadian government control of the planet. We would have such sophisticated alien technology that we would be able to overthrow the US government without killing a single person. Unlikely you say? I counter with, how likely is it that Canada could defeat the USA using conventional warfare ???

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Nobody likes the government of Iran but nobody expects that any such overthrow would be good for Iranians. The idea that US involvement ever helps matters is ridiculous. Look at what their "help" has meant for Iraq and Syria.
 

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Lots of Iranians immigrated here with the fall of the Shah. They weren’t the fundamentalist Islamic types like they have running the country now.

I think the reaction will be a lot more terror attacks through groups like hezbollah. Doubtful they would want to get in a toe to toe battle with the Americans. As long as they don’t do anything stupid like sending missiles to Israel, the incursions will be doing aimed at Saudi or Turkey.

Ironic the Dotard is quoted in 2011 that Obama would attack Iran to win the election in 2012. Lots of media outlets playing that sound clip today.
 

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The Trump government acted quickly and with precision. Unlike Clinton and Obama in Benghazi. Of which they both should be in jail for.
 

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Saudi Arabia and Iran as countries are strategic rivals over who controls the Persian Gulf. The Wahabbist/Salafist types of Saudi Arabia (etc.) and the Shiites of Iran (and Iraq) are blood enemies when it comes to religion.

These days, the Wahbabists / Salafists (mostly Saudi initiated, but sometimes Turkey or Qatar) are strong allies of Israeli hardliners and US evangelicals (despite all the terrorism of ISIS and Al Qaida), against a looser alliance of Orthodox & Catholic Christian Arabs, as well as Shiite Muslims (and to some degree Russia and a lesser degree China).

The Middle East is a strange and harsh place, for of layer after layer of intrigue & deadly grudges. The best thing any western power can do is stay the fuck out of there, and not end up being used as dumb muscle for all the sneaky manipulators behind the scenes.

As Smokescreend said, there is zero prospect of installing a liberal democracy there; nothing installed from outside can survive and nothing genuinely homegrown would resemble the western kind. If western leaders (like Trump, or Obama before him, or Bush & Blair before that) are talking about democracy and human rights, that is just a smokescreen for the western public to be blinded by, as they gear up for starting yet another war that will spill a lot of blood and bankrupt our countries as well as theirs.
 
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The Iranian mess started in 1953, from Wikpedia:

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد‎), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh.....
 

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The Iranian mess started in 1953, from Wikpedia:

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد‎), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh.....
Project Code name: TP Ajax
 

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There have been a number of protests for a return to true democracy, and a rejection of theocracy. As recently as 2 weeks ago. The results were the same. A massacre by General Solemani's Basij militia.
 

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A lot has happened since I first started this thread a little while ago. Specifically, the downing of a commerical airplane filled with Iranians by an Iranian missile. I suspect the answer to my original question is much more clear cut and unanimous now.

JD
 

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The best thing any western power can do is stay the fuck out of there, and not end up being used as dumb muscle for all the sneaky manipulators behind the scenes.

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So true , lets get our / my,, brother and sisters back here and let them figure themselves out..

We have enough problems here ,, just look

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Yah nice thought but not practical.


Meanwhile, the Saudi’s (they’ve been feuding with Iran since 1960’s) Russians, Turks et al are anticipating the US, France and UK stand down so they can have a free reign.

One only has to pull out a map and look at the countries involved and where the oil is mostly located.
 

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Yah nice thought but not practical.


Meanwhile, the Saudi’s (they’ve been feuding with Iran since 1960’s) Russians, Turks et al are anticipating the US, France and UK stand down so they can have a free reign.

One only has to pull out a map and look at the countries involved and where the oil is mostly located.

Well, the Saudis, and Russians, and Turks are all Iran's neighbours. At least if they have some activity there, there is a legitimate strategic interest driving it.

The US (and UK, and France) truly have no business sticking their noses in there. Their reasons are just to exert political and military control over others so they can commercially exploit them. The "threat" of standing down is what - that these other nations might actually run their own lives, right or wrong? Do they even really want to attack us at all? Or is that just the spin our leaders put on it when these other nations seek to kick the vandals and thieves out of their backyard?

Now I'm no isolationist, but people have got to see beyond the parade of bullshit we get every time these issues start to be discussed. Try some strategic realism, and stop pretending that outside intervention can solve any of their issues, or that continuing it will ever solve the issues they have with us. We (the West) can't negate their historical / cultural issues, nor snap our fingers and make their strategic interests vanish in a puff of smoke. So any strategy where we think we can means we're just pounding sand. Remember, in all that cost/benefit analysis, that if we would fight to the last drop of blood to keep our own country safe from foreign interference, they would do the same. How much are we willing to lose to preserve our right to act as the "foreign bad guys" in someone else's narrative? Hell, more than one despotic regime has been propped up just by milking that narrative. And you know what? Our own leaders are using a version of it on us, so let's not be smug about it either.

So like I said before, the best thing any western country can do is stay the fuck out of the story by keeping that place at arm's length while they sort out their own issues.
 
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Most of the Iranians living abroad would be more than happy to see a regime change in their homeland. For the most part they tend to be well educated, not particularly religious and left the country because they did not care for the mullahs running the country and the corruption of those in charge. I am good friends with an Iranian that I worked with for a number of years. Those are his feelings and many of his countrymen that left to make a better life for themselves.
 
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