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80watts

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Have you ever had a problem with a company/government agency?

Have you ever tried to write an email or phone in.

I usually find that there is no listed email, no phone number to contact (this stuff usually at bottom of web page) and when there is a phone number the phone gives roundabout information. There are no complaint lines. I think companies do that on purpose, so that you give up so they can't receive your complaint.

The people that you can reach, don't know how to answear your questions or provide decent customer service; they just stick to a set of preprogrammed answears, until you get frustrated with them. The best one I have seen is the mailing address. That used to be the way 30 years ago, now its the slow it down method or we never received your mail.

Another thing is the disjointment of the National company to the local company (eg a car company).

Another way to avoid and frustrate the customer is by the use of feedback forms with limited number of letters (usually under 100 letters or less) for a complaint. But there is usually a snail mail address....

Automated answearing machines with menus. Well where do you start with that one....But the best ones are the ones that say 'we have a large customer wait time..." The best ones are BC hydro and Shaw cable. Banks are on the same wave too with that, especially on the phone line, just to make an appointment. Its really amazing when you tell the bank employee you had a hard time connecting to make the appointment, so they give you their business card with their number and extension on it.... why wasn't that online?

But the most amazing thing is you need the internet connection to see the website to even get a start on how to contact the company... But the answear on the internet...you don't have access....

So if I were to sit on a jury where some guy/gal went postal, I would have to sympathize with that defendant....
 

sensualsixty

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Sometimes you have to take it to the top. I am from the school that believes that one should discuss less than stellar performance - whether it is the quality of a meal, or a poorly performing product. Many years ago I had a friend who ran a service business (marina, hotel and dining room). His point of view was that he could fix things only when he knew they needed fixing, and customer feedback was the best tool for finding out about problems. I am certain that there were some that took advantage of him, but his business reputation became well known throughout the industry and the boating fraternity.

There are times when businesses (or people) are unwilling to accept constructive criticism, and then it can help to go up the ladder. Many years ago I encountered a situation where RBC made an error and they treated it in a very ho-hum manner, which just made the problem worse. I indicated that I felt I should be compensated for the time I had wasted because of their error, and my suggestion was rejected. I outlined the problem to the president. It took a week or two, but I got a call from the local branch manager asking if I wanted my very modest compensation deposited to my account, or in cash.
 

felixthecat

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Dealing with customers' complaints is certainly not a new problem. The world changed, we lost some options and gained some others.

Online complaints are rather effective now. Companies are often monitoring Twitter, Facebook more actively than traditional call center complaints.
Better Business Bureau still works. I saw some companies with bad customer support ratings still taking effort to follow up on bbb.org and maybe on some review sites like yelp.

For government / regulated bodies, there is usually some kind of oversight (ombudsmen office, etc.) Your local MP office can help with some followup if normal channels are inefficient.

From capitalism perspective, a company is not interested in letting their representatives treat you badly without reason. So the automated feedback reviews etc. do work, as in affecting somebody's bonuses. Unfortunately, that feedback is not meant to solve your particular issue.
 

80watts

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My problem is I have trouble finding the information of how to contact a company to make a complaint(sometimes 1 to 3 hours on the internet). No phone number, no email address, there might be a snail mail address , its as if the system is designed to slow you down and make you quit. When you do find someone on a phone they don't know anything.... There might be a page for feedback, but its like 2 sentences long. not enough space to write you side/complaint.

As far as I am concerned email don't work because now days people scan their emails and pick important stuff first, complaints just fall into the unread portion of most peoples email. Or you get "We recieved your email and are reviewing the problem"..... and never hear back from them again.....
 

sybian

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Sometimes you have to take it to the top. I am from the school that believes that one should discuss less than stellar performance - whether it is the quality of a meal, or a poorly performing product. Many years ago I had a friend who ran a service business (marina, hotel and dining room). His point of view was that he could fix things only when he knew they needed fixing, and customer feedback was the best tool for finding out about problems. I am certain that there were some that took advantage of him, but his business reputation became well known throughout the industry and the boating fraternity.

There are times when businesses (or people) are unwilling to accept constructive criticism, and then it can help to go up the ladder. Many years ago I encountered a situation where RBC made an error and they treated it in a very ho-hum manner, which just made the problem worse. I indicated that I felt I should be compensated for the time I had wasted because of their error, and my suggestion was rejected. I outlined the problem to the president. It took a week or two, but I got a call from the local branch manager asking if I wanted my very modest compensation deposited to my account, or in cash.
That's funny you bring up RBC.....had a problem with them due too a computer change in service on my three accounts....a service they had pulled automatically, but we're still charging me for, and I still wanted.
Went in ,complained I didn't want the change in service, and it was blamed on the computer program being used to service business accounts.
The same change happened two more times after being changed back by a bank manager....and I was still being charged for the old service, although it didn't exist anymore on my accounts.
The third time, I made an appointment ....began the meeting swearing my way through the conversation, after I was told it had to be handled by someone higher up, and required another meeting.....and another appointment.

Funny how things get handled in five minutes when a very pissed off rancher says he's "going to pull all his money, investments ,and business ,out of your shithole bank, that can't even be bothered to do their fucking job, that they're overcharging me for, and to get off their useless asses and fix the fucking problem, that was caused by them in the first place"
It amazed me how fast they dropped their lazy attitude.
 

PuntMeister

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I don’t bother complaining. Instead I ask for the number of their Retention Dept. Pleasantly call that line, let them know I am about to bail, and ask them to give me a good reason to stay with their service. Amazing the deals you can get when you’re dealing with people who understand the cost of losing and then re-acquiring a customer.
 

cr_tallguy

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I don’t bother complaining. Instead I ask for the number of their Retention Dept. Pleasantly call that line, let them know I am about to bail, and ask them to give me a good reason to stay with their service. Amazing the deals you can get when you’re dealing with people who understand the cost of losing and then re-acquiring a customer.
My son gave me this exact tip years ago, which he picked up while selling cell phone plans for a retail store. Works like a charm for any service business where there is a choice - internet, cellular, land line, cable, insurance, banking, etc
 
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