2019 Election thread

nightswhisper

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So currently the conservatives have more of the popular vote but fewer of the seats. How you guys feeling about FPtP right now?
I support broad representation of the geographic expanse more than concentrated population centers, even if it means losing the popular vote.
 

PuntMeister

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Trudeau 2.0

Anyone else hopeful that a minority means more wholistic consideration and the need for a little humble collaboration?

Well, at leat we don’t have Harper 2.0 or a dysfunctional spaghetti coalition.

I like it when leaders develop a little scarr-tissue and learn something along the journey to truly serving others.

May our future continue to unfold democratically. Thank you all who participated in this great country of ours!

-Punt.
 

kinky_guy

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Best part of this election was my 14 year old wanting to sit and watch the results. I know people like to complain about teachers and the educational system but I give kudos for engaging my kid. I didn't somewhat but his high school really made an effort too.
 

zippy45

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Canada sucks, plain and simple
greens went up in popular vote but really they are a very fringe party(and i vote for them)
and stormrider.....nah would be too easy
 

JimDandy

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For the people crying in their beer tonight, here are seven reasons to be optimistic about the Canadian economy:

1. Housing
After a slow patch Canadian houses are selling again. And while they may have reconsidered for a while, there are signs that the condo builders who have filled skylines with cranes are making too much money to stop. Some have pointed to the recent slump in New York condo prices as a warning, but there are reasons why Canadian cities are different.

2. Immigration
One of the differences between Canada and many other places is that the country's welcome mat means the population, housing demand and economy continue to grow. Many of those people come with money in their pockets, feeling Canada is a safe place to keep it. A report last week showed that one in five homes in Canada is bought by someone who arrived in the last 10 years.

3. Jobs
Despite some hints of a slowdown in parts of the economy, Canada keeps making jobs, and wages are rising. Trouble in the energy sector may have bottomed out. Overall unemployment keeps hitting record lows and wages keep rising. While a slowdown could reverse the trend, the low jobless rate and the worker shortage in many sectors may help to bridge a weak patch.

4. Inflation
While in other countries prices are stagnant even as central banks cut rates, Canadian inflation remains well within the Bank of Canada target range. Core inflation, the rate the bank's Stephen Poloz uses as a best indicator, averaged more than two per cent. Research has shown one of the reasons inflation remains healthy is that poorer Canadians, who get a fairer share here than in other places, spend it all and stimulate the economy rather that tucking it away as savings.

5. Wealth
Despite the attention we often pay to the debt Canadians carry, there is another group, many with paid-off houses, deep pockets and pensions who will keep doling out that money into retirement. A large and growing group of well-heeled retirees who have been helped to save with government retirement programs such as RSPs and tax-free savings accounts will act as a safety net for the wider economy.

6. Education
Partly because of the taxes paid by well-employed middle-class Canadians, younger Canadians are among the best educated on the globe. That human capital is a pool of stored wealth that cannot be easily destroyed, even by company failures.

7. A relatively low budget deficit
While government spending has been a background issue in the campaign for today's federal election, so far the country has a fiscal pad to help boost the economy should the global slump worsen. Compared to our southern neighbour, Canada's books are sound, and due to several revamps, the Canada Pension Plan, while meagre, is adequately funded, most actuaries say.

Taken from this article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/recession-canada-economy-1.5325856

JD
 

clu

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If it weren't for the social collateral damage, I kinda wish it was the Conservatives that had lost the popular vote but won more seats. Would've been justice for the hypocrite. As it is he probably thinks he dodged a bullet by reneging on PR.
 

Madonas

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Another positive point( for a lot of people in BC , myself not included ) is that the Trans Mountain Pipeline will never get "started " during this Liberal Minority Government . The NDP will probably refuse to co-operate in that respect. And they should not co-operate as they are fundamentally opposed to it. I believe that eventually the minority Liberal Government will sell to the indigenous organizations that would like to purchase and build the pipeline.
Singh could probably muster a lot more seats next election if he can be see to walk "the co-operation line " somewhat with the Liberals and get a few NDP platform promises considered

IMO ,Minority governments are probably a good thing for Canada at this point and little bit of co-operation never hurt anyone.
 

80watts

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A Liberal Minority Government. That is pretty good despite the "schmeering" of the political candidates!!

It will probably be a Liberal/NDP coalition with 2 or 3 aspects that they agree on being the big things like climate change, health care, pharma-care and the bill 21 in Quebec to be opposed, because of human rights (even though Quebec has never signed the Charter of Rights); the rest of Canada operates under it.

The Pipeline will be built, job on manufacturing will begin in Alberta to buy the next election and counter Conservative blue. The pipeline to Quebec will be built.

The big thing will be to create jobs on mega projects. The biggest being high speed rapid transport (high speed trains) between major population centers (run off electricity produced by renewable energy). Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Quebec City. Edmonton-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg-Thunder Bay (#1 highway) and the Edmonton to Winnipeg (#16 highway). Vancouver-Calgary.

More will get done for Canadians with a minority government than with a majority; look at the Harper minority government, everybody got something, every body gained something, then the Cons got a majority and their true colours where shown, they started cutting stuff and that is why they lost in 2015.

Trudeau didn't get ousted because of his dress-up routines, his blackface or the SNC Lavalin crap. He got reelected because of the status quo, people don't want their lives to change that much. People are scared of the future and the uncertainty of it, they need a social net. The conservatives don't promise that. This is what is going to keep reelecting governments in Canada for the foreseeable future. But they have to bring Canadians into the 24 th century, where we hopefully won't be burning fossil fuels.

Globalization is a failure for Canadians as we don't have cheap labour. India and Malaysia and China far underbid us in that area. Therefore we should be manufacturing our own goods, electric cars (see Elon Musk cars), plastics.

One of the biggest detractors in Canada are patents. In China, India and all muslim countries, there are no patents that deter competetion. Only in the western world where patents are enforces are where corporations are making a killing due to monopolies on patents.

This should last at least 2-3 years before another elections. after all we canadians hate going to the voting polls...
 

lukom

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I'm not thrilled by Trudeau 2.0, but I am also relieved that we don't have a Harper 2.0. At least in this case there's room for a level of political "plurality", rather than a majority that goes by their own whims.
 

BobbyMcgee

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Jimmy Cliff has got nothing on JT tomorrow morning...
I can see clearly now the rain is gone
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It's gonna be a bright (bright)
Bright (bright) sunshiny day
It's gonna be a bright (bright)
Bright (bright) sunshiny day

out here in the West sadly NOT rejoicing
 

JimDandy

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This should last at least 2-3 years before another elections. after all we canadians hate going to the voting polls...
On the election wrapup on the CBC tonight, the pundints mentioned that the NDP are totally broke. Reportedly they had to mortgage some key property just to finance this last election. Therefore it is safe to say the longer the delay before the next election, the better it will suit the NDP. And despite how well Singh was perceived to have done during the debates and reporter scrums, at the end of the day the NDP lost almost half of their seats. So don't be surprised if the NDP causcus vote Singh out and select a new leader. That also takes time, both to select a new leader and to get him/her settled in for the 6 weeks battle like which we just witnessed.

If what I have written in the previous paragraph is in fact the case, then Liberals may have to concede very little to the NDP in order to stay in power.

So yes 80watts, I agree that it will be 2-3 years at least before the next election.

JD
 

JimDandy

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It matters not though as Trudeau is skating into a Canadian winter and he is on very thin ice.....try and pass a Confidence motion that pisses off the Bloc and the Conservatives pile on.

SR
At the current seat count, the Liberals have more seats than the Bloc and Conservatives combined, so the ice is not as thin as you believe. And as I stated in post above, it is definitely not the best interest for a broke NDP party to have an election any time soon, so it is very unlikely that the Liberals will lose a confidence vote any time soon :)

JD
 

rlock

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I support broad representation of the geographic expanse more than concentrated population centers, even if it means losing the popular vote.
Well that's a better answer than most give, but might I suggest an elected Senate would be a better place for that sort of representation?

Too much to ask in a minority parliament, I know, but one can dream.

Still, I hope the conservatives change their mind and stop supporting an FPTP system that just screwed them.


If it weren't for the social collateral damage, I kinda wish it was the Conservatives that had lost the popular vote but won more seats. Would've been justice for the hypocrite. As it is he probably thinks he dodged a bullet by reneging on PR.

I don't think Justin sounded very contrite at all. Probably telling himself he got away with it, you're right. But I doubt it will turn out as sunny as he probably expects. Especially if he hasn't learned a thing and fails to smarten up.
 
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rlock

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I'm hoping Jody Wilson Raybould maybe takes the position of Speaker. She'd be the best choice, but the real question is whether she would want to do it.
 

MissingOne

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I'm hoping Jody Wilson Raybould maybe takes the position of Speaker. She'd be the best choice, but the real question is whether she would want to do it.
Well, I suppose making her Speaker would be one way to neutralize her. I can't think why she would want that, though.
 

Hugh Jass

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The polls were pretty accurate this time. Who'd a thunk? Conservatives win the popular vote but the distribution was the killer just like it was for the Democrats.
 

wetnose

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Called it back in September a Turdeau win. As quite of few on here also knew.......Turdeau, once again, takes office for another 4 years. Granted, by minority, but nevertheless......he won. Question now.....will TMX get the go ahead, and will our energy ( oil ) sector struggle for another 4 yrs under him? This will be interesting.
Buying a pipeline for Alberta obviously did Trudeau no favors, so why bother with TMX? Only hurts his environmental credentials. Maybe Alberta can fund it through their sovereign wealth fund, accumulated through the last 30 years. Right?
 
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