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Driving all around USA and Canada in an EV.

badbadboy

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A man is attempting to drive his Tesla 25,000 in two months around North America. He wants to hit the extreme points of the USA including Key West, Maine, Prudhoe Bay Alaska and back to Arizona.

There are not a lot of public fast charge stations outside of many cities and he has networked with many people along the way. Driving from Thunder Bay to Alaska will be the biggest challenge on the trip.

"Range Anxiety" is the same as running out of gas but more so as he heads up north.

Will he make it? I hope he does but know as you head north of Ft St John there are very few gas stations and I'm doubtful there are many charging stations.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/electric-car-roadtrip-america-1.5201763
 

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Tesla just put a 9(?) charger bay station in Osoyoos, which can also be used by non-Tesla vehicles

When they figure out how to fast charge these things, it will get a lot more interesting. It's a lot easier to deliver electricity over wires, than gasoline by truck.
 

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Wonder what time of year he will hit the Alaska Highway? And how those batteries will do on that many km of gravel road ( vibration).
Good on him if he makes it. Will he report the times he has to use a diesel generator to make it between proper charging stations. As well as how many home owners ( temporary BnB's) in order to complete this.
I would say, since it's to show how far you can drive in a Tesla, he should stick to proper public charging stations, as not everyone taking a long road trip can just drop in on a random house for the night to charge up.
 

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Wonder what time of year he will hit the Alaska Highway? And how those batteries will do on that many km of gravel road ( vibration).
Good on him if he makes it. Will he report the times he has to use a diesel generator to make it between proper charging stations. As well as how many home owners ( temporary BnB's) in order to complete this.
I would say, since it's to show how far you can drive in a Tesla, he should stick to proper public charging stations, as not everyone taking a long road trip can just drop in on a random house for the night to charge up.
He is in Woodstock Ontario now. It's supposed to be an 8 week marathon. That's a lot of windshield time!

I'd say he took the winter cold weather into consideration to save battery energy by doing a summer trip.
 

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Tesla just put a 9(?) charger bay station in Osoyoos, which can also be used by non-Tesla vehicles

When they figure out how to fast charge these things, it will get a lot more interesting. It's a lot easier to deliver electricity over wires, than gasoline by truck.
physics, reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon

the amount of electricity you would need to replace the energy that gas provides, to replace for vehicles, is delusional

and don't you believe in climate change? lol

again, physics, reality, you'd never be able to damn up enough rivers, dig up enough rare metals to make solar panels/batteries, put up enough windmills

you'd need to make that electricity with NG, coal, the only other reasonable way would be Nuclear, which people are too stupid to realize isn't 3 mile Island or Chernobyl anymore

there's a reason why electric cars didn't take off 100 yrs ago

they aren't practical, unless you only drive to the corner store and back, in a climate where it never gets below 0

the hybrid, for emission purposes is far more practical, sensible

the pure electric car is a pipe dream

the combustion engine isn't going anywhere anytime soon
 

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physics, reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon

the amount of electricity you would need to replace the energy that gas provides, to replace for vehicles, is delusional

and don't you believe in climate change? lol

again, physics, reality, you'd never be able to damn up enough rivers, dig up enough rare metals to make solar panels/batteries, put up enough windmills

you'd need to make that electricity with NG, coal, the only other reasonable way would be Nuclear, which people are too stupid to realize isn't 3 mile Island or Chernobyl anymore

there's a reason why electric cars didn't take off 100 yrs ago

they aren't practical, unless you only drive to the corner store and back, in a climate where it never gets below 0

the hybrid, for emission purposes is far more practical, sensible

the pure electric car is a pipe dream

the combustion engine isn't going anywhere anytime soon


Fifteen years ago if someone had told you that soon you'd be watching TV on a phone a few mm thick, you probably would have said, "not anytime soon."

An average home uses 1000 kw/h per month.

A Tesla can be had with a 100 kw/h battery which gives it 500 km of range. So, two full charges per month increases a homes electricity consumption by just 20%.

Science marches on.
 

tadolder

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Tesla just put a 9(?) charger bay station in Osoyoos, which can also be used by non-Tesla vehicles

When they figure out how to fast charge these things, it will get a lot more interesting. It's a lot easier to deliver electricity over wires, than gasoline by truck.
The fast charge does 80% in 30 mins according to hydro. I think the high capacity batter with Tesla is 2hr charge time with their rapid charge stations, and they all come with a trickle charger for when you stop for the night.
 

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physics, reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon

the amount of electricity you would need to replace the energy that gas provides, to replace for vehicles, is delusional

and don't you believe in climate change? lol

again, physics, reality, you'd never be able to damn up enough rivers, dig up enough rare metals to make solar panels/batteries, put up enough windmills

you'd need to make that electricity with NG, coal, the only other reasonable way would be Nuclear, which people are too stupid to realize isn't 3 mile Island or Chernobyl anymore

there's a reason why electric cars didn't take off 100 yrs ago

they aren't practical, unless you only drive to the corner store and back, in a climate where it never gets below 0

the hybrid, for emission purposes is far more practical, sensible

the pure electric car is a pipe dream

the combustion engine isn't going anywhere anytime soon
I suggest you travel to other parts of the globe to see how much EVs are taking off.

Just came back from a 4 country Euro tour and was blown away how many EVs are on the road.

179,270 EVs were sold globally in May 2019. The technology is here and only getting better. Much like smartphones, flat screen TVs and every other breakthrough. Change like this doesn’t happen overnight. Let’s look back in 3 years and reassess.
 

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physics, reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon

the amount of electricity you would need to replace the energy that gas provides, to replace for vehicles, is delusional

and don't you believe in climate change? lol

again, physics, reality, you'd never be able to damn up enough rivers, dig up enough rare metals to make solar panels/batteries, put up enough windmills

you'd need to make that electricity with NG, coal, the only other reasonable way would be Nuclear, which people are too stupid to realize isn't 3 mile Island or Chernobyl anymore

there's a reason why electric cars didn't take off 100 yrs ago

they aren't practical, unless you only drive to the corner store and back, in a climate where it never gets below 0

the hybrid, for emission purposes is far more practical, sensible

the pure electric car is a pipe dream

the combustion engine isn't going anywhere anytime soon
Ha ha, you couldn’d be more wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZOLMeMYnI&list=LLpM8kE796IxL3OaaxOI7WkA&index=2&t=877s
The internal combustion engine will be phased out in your lifetime.
 

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He should make it easily. Comarade Elon will personally watch over the project to see it thru successfully. He's coming out of left field and caught the ICE industry with its pants down. The CEO of BMW just risgned (or got fired). In 4 years your Tesla will work for you daytime on its own. Uber will be sucking fumes...literally. Love to see the upstart show everybody up. Ain't been nobody like him since Henry Ford.
 

badbadboy

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He should make it easily. Comarade Elon will personally watch over the project to see it thru successfully. He's coming out of left field and caught the ICE industry with its pants down. The CEO of BMW just risgned (or got fired). In 4 years your Tesla will work for you daytime on its own. Uber will be sucking fumes...literally. Love to see the upstart show everybody up. Ain't been nobody like him since Henry Ford.
The BMW CEO resigned or was pushed out because of the first EV Mini was released using four year old i3 technology which is already behind competitors. The range is 146 mi vs 200 from their competitors and costs $35k USD. Terrible decision to rush a vehicle to market that is already far behind every other small EV.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/9/20687413/bmw-electric-mini-cooper-specs-release
 

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Fifteen years ago if someone had told you that soon you'd be watching TV on a phone a few mm thick, you probably would have said, "not anytime soon."

An average home uses 1000 kw/h per month.

A Tesla can be had with a 100 kw/h battery which gives it 500 km of range. So, two full charges per month increases a homes electricity consumption by just 20%.

Science marches on.
yes, one car, now try that on scale

billion cars out there, virtually none are EV



The fast charge does 80% in 30 mins according to hydro. I think the high capacity batter with Tesla is 2hr charge time with their rapid charge stations, and they all come with a trickle charger for when you stop for the night.
yeah, and the line up at charging stations or do you think everyone who ventures beyond their home is going to be willing to take 3 days to get a province over

and anyone who lives outside the cities

trucks, work vehicles

your assuming everyone only travels for an hour a day

not to mention it is not practical for large vehicles



I suggest you travel to other parts of the globe to see how much EVs are taking off.

Just came back from a 4 country Euro tour and was blown away how many EVs are on the road.

179,270 EVs were sold globally in May 2019. The technology is here and only getting better. Much like smartphones, flat screen TVs and every other breakthrough. Change like this doesn’t happen overnight. Let’s look back in 3 years and reassess.
yeah, again, reality, billion cars out there, Chinese, 3rd world have not even begun to live like us

Norway, only reason they are being bought there, if you want a non EV, you are taking it up the ass so hard in taxes your ass would look like a Kardasian's

yes, we were going to be flying in cars by now too!

and the world was going to end in 2010, no, 2015, no now it is going to end in 2031, right



Ha ha, you couldn’d be more wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZOLMeMYnI&list=LLpM8kE796IxL3OaaxOI7WkA&index=2&t=877s
The internal combustion engine will be phased out in your lifetime.
again, physics

basic math

scale

reality

green energy, coal still king in most of the world, oil too

despite billions upon billions in subsidies

Germany, still on coal, China too, India too, last two, top polluters along with US

decades away from getting off coal

2050 is a pipe dream

you want to save the environment

how many Chinese, Indian, African, Latino are you willing to kill

cause they are the fastest going populations who all want to live like fat Americans, which the world, environment cannot handle

Africa alone, virtually no electricity, look at the light pollution maps, it is virtually dark there
almost a billion there now, again, scale

physics, the amount of solar and wind, even hydro, you cannot scale it up for 7 billion

the tech is not there, it is a long way off, we will be long dead

Musk is a conman

look at the subsidies Tesla has received

they cannot even produce a reasonable amount of vehicles a yr

look at solar, never seen a news report yet that does not state that it will take at least 15yrs to payback

notice how they never mention the life-cycle of the panels

think batteries are any different

until they come up with a way to store electricity, on scale, your delusions are pointless
 

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Overdone, you are right the internal combustion engine is not going anywhere soon.

Currently there are some big ideas for the storage of the electricity, look on utube.

Major population areas in North America need the electric car, due to air quality. If its acceptable AQ it can be made better. The states are in the process of getting rid of coal plants due to the air quality. Solar and Wind are the 2 best bets for future electricity production , but so is Nuclear energy (ever since the 60s they have had experimental reactors that are safer than the current ones running that run off lesser fuels than enriched uranium).

The hydrogen economy will be taking off. Electricity breaks up water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen is burnt in a fuel cell and produces electricity, its by product is water.... So you can can have a battery and a fuel cell in your car. With a fuel cell in your car the fuel cell can produce electricity for your house at night, your office during the daytime etc. or it could charge your electric battery. Right now its more economical to just have a battery in your car.

One thing that should be done is putting solar panel on houses (no limit except for space). But most people will be too stupid to look after it properly.... Its on the order of: Do you know how your TV works??
 

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physics, reality, it's not going to happen anytime soon

the amount of electricity you would need to replace the energy that gas provides, to replace for vehicles, is delusional

and don't you believe in climate change? lol

again, physics, reality, you'd never be able to damn up enough rivers, dig up enough rare metals to make solar panels/batteries, put up enough windmills

you'd need to make that electricity with NG, coal, the only other reasonable way would be Nuclear, which people are too stupid to realize isn't 3 mile Island or Chernobyl anymore

there's a reason why electric cars didn't take off 100 yrs ago

they aren't practical, unless you only drive to the corner store and back, in a climate where it never gets below 0

the hybrid, for emission purposes is far more practical, sensible

the pure electric car is a pipe dream

the combustion engine isn't going anywhere anytime soon
physics, reality, Grid / will not handle
VT
Solar dude Huge !!



yeah, and the line up at charging stations or do you think everyone who ventures beyond their home is going to be willing to take 3 days to get a province over

and anyone who lives outside the cities

trucks, work vehicles

your assuming everyone only travels for an hour a day

not to mention it is not practical for large vehicles





yeah, again, reality, billion cars out there, Chinese, 3rd world have not even begun to live like us

Norway, only reason they are being bought there, if you want a non EV, you are taking it up the ass so hard in taxes your ass would look like a Kardasian's

yes, we were going to be flying in cars by now too!

and the world was going to end in 2010, no, 2015, no now it is going to end in 2031, right





again, physics

basic math

scale

reality

green energy, coal still king in most of the world, oil too

despite billions upon billions in subsidies

Germany, still on coal, China too, India too, last two, top polluters along with US

decades away from getting off coal

2050 is a pipe dream

you want to save the environment

how many Chinese, Indian, African, Latino are you willing to kill

cause they are the fastest going populations who all want to live like fat Americans, which the world, environment cannot handle

Africa alone, virtually no electricity, look at the light pollution maps, it is virtually dark there
almost a billion there now, again, scale

physics, the amount of solar and wind, even hydro, you cannot scale it up for 7 billion

the tech is not there, it is a long way off, we will be long dead

Musk is a conman

look at the subsidies Tesla has received

they cannot even produce a reasonable amount of vehicles a yr

look at solar, never seen a news report yet that does not state that it will take at least 15yrs to payback

notice how they never mention the life-cycle of the panels

think batteries are any different

until they come up with a way to store electricity, on scale, your delusions are pointless
Overdone, you are right the internal combustion engine is not going anywhere soon.

Currently there are some big ideas for the storage of the electricity, look on utube.

Major population areas in North America need the electric car, due to air quality. If its acceptable AQ it can be made better. The states are in the process of getting rid of coal plants due to the air quality. Solar and Wind are the 2 best bets for future electricity production , but so is Nuclear energy (ever since the 60s they have had experimental reactors that are safer than the current ones running that run off lesser fuels than enriched uranium).

The hydrogen economy will be taking off. Electricity breaks up water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen is burnt in a fuel cell and produces electricity, its by product is water.... So you can can have a battery and a fuel cell in your car. With a fuel cell in your car the fuel cell can produce electricity for your house at night, your office during the daytime etc. or it could charge your electric battery. Right now its more economical to just have a battery in your car.

One thing that should be done is putting solar panel on houses (no limit except for space). But most people will be too stupid to look after it properly.... Its on the order of: Do you know how your TV works??


All are true , Diesel trucks NAW , EMD's NAW ,, BTU over a KW is huge difference HUGE !! physics is the reality !!! many posted 80% and that 20 % is loss plus over time it adds. 2025 , will have junk EV's all over ..

Don't be a sucker yet !!

Im in that business

VT
 

westcoastrider1982

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A full EV only makes sense to certain people.
I personally wouldn’t want to leave the lower mainland with one.

I’m in need of a full size truck myself for work plus enjoy having one even for projects at home and towing etc.

Ford is talking about releasing a PHEV and EV F-150 next year. Even getting 40km without using any fuel would be just fine for me.

I’m not an engineer but looking at diesel-electric trains for example, could you use the same principle to build a light duty truck? Use a smaller gas engine to power electric motors and for maintaining battery power only and not even connect it directly to the drivetrain.
Vehicle starting out with a full battery would use electric only for about 40 k or so, battery starts wearing down, then ICE kicks in running at an efficient rpm to maintain/recharge the battery.

Looking forward to seeing what happens with the EV F150. It would have to be reasonably priced though for it to be a success and have the same capability of a regular F150
 

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I'm very curious to see how many cities and countries stick with their plans for combustion engine bans over the next 10 years. I was quite happy to find out England already has bans in place, as I'm sure other European countries do as well. Canada is suppose to be rolling out large bans in the next few years. I'm looking forward to seeing this.
 

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I think I'm on the other side on this. We are lucky enough to have a mix of 2 gas cars and a long range EV. Our commute is under 50kms a day so charging at home would be fine even from a 110v regular plug. Tesla supercharging is FREE for a lot of their line up and charges at about 250 miles of range per hour. A quick lunch break and you're charged during your road trip.

It's not going to replace the gas car overnight. But make no mistake it's started and will only accelerate. Once you buy an electric car it is not likely you would replace it for the same uses with a gas car, just won't happen.

The biggest change that is hard to fathom is that charging happens at home more than 90% for most ev users. That means the range should be thought about as DAILY range instead of range by the tankful. Do most guys drive 400kms in a day on regular basis? Nope, but new EV's can and be charged up again by the morning. Even with incentives, they're $50K for sure, but all the cars of 2019 will look super basic in 3 years time. They jump in capability rather quickly.
 

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I think I'm on the other side on this. We are lucky enough to have a mix of 2 gas cars and a long range EV. Our commute is under 50kms a day so charging at home would be fine even from a 110v regular plug. Tesla supercharging is FREE for a lot of their line up and charges at about 250 miles of range per hour. A quick lunch break and you're charged during your road trip.

It's not going to replace the gas car overnight. But make no mistake it's started and will only accelerate. Once you buy an electric car it is not likely you would replace it for the same uses with a gas car, just won't happen.

The biggest change that is hard to fathom is that charging happens at home more than 90% for most ev users. That means the range should be thought about as DAILY range instead of range by the tankful. Do most guys drive 400kms in a day on regular basis? Nope, but new EV's can and be charged up again by the morning. Even with incentives, they're $50K for sure, but all the cars of 2019 will look super basic in 3 years time. They jump in capability rather quickly.
Well said!
People often think of the full range more than what they require day to day!
 

westcoastrider1982

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I'm very curious to see how many cities and countries stick with their plans for combustion engine bans over the next 10 years. I was quite happy to find out England already has bans in place, as I'm sure other European countries do as well. Canada is suppose to be rolling out large bans in the next few years. I'm looking forward to seeing this.

Thought there was mention of a neighbourhood in Vancouver wanting to do this! West end or something!

I laughed my guts out at this simply because I thought of the snobs moving into an area like this thinking they’d be living in some sort of utopia!

Picture these idiots moving into these places then realizing “Oh fuck! What about garbage collection? Crap our toilet isn’t working! Call a plumber! Shit! I don’t think any plumbers drive around with all their tools snd materials in Nissan Leaf’s!!
Let’s renovate the kitchen!! Wait, all contractors drive GAS POWERED trucks!!”

Get real!!
 

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On the garbage collection note, I'm puzzled by the fact that the trucks are not electric. It looks like a perfect use case.
 
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