Megan Rapinoe and the best quote from the Women's World Cup

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"Go gays! You can't win a championship without gays on your team, it has never been done before, ever. That's science, right there!

Full disclosure, I tend to villianize American sports stars because I generally can't stand their general brashness, and Megan is no different. But I can't deny fully admiring how she has used the spotlight to demand an end to gender pay disparity and identify as a gay athlete.

The gap in gender pay parity is shameful and I have been involved in a few sports and am sad to say that I have only competed with one male teammate who was confident and brave enough to be open about being gay. I wish sports would be more inclusive and supportive of gay athletes, it's shameful that they aren't.
 
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BBB, I won't profess myself to be a fan or even really that familiar with all these sports, but I followed up your post with a few goggle searches and my findings - in 2018 there were 0 openly gay male athletes in the NHL, NBA, NFL, MLB, EPL, MLS, PGA or ATP. So despite these sports leagues and associations adopting and trumpeting policies of LGBTQ inclusion, they have been ineffective in providing safe and supportive environments for pro gay male athletes. In the NHL, NFL, MLB and NFL combined, there have only been three active players to 'come out' since 1999.

I hope I am wrong and I would love for you to name the active players I missed.
 
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You are wrong/confused as no where in his post did BBB use the word 'open'. As stated, there are plenty of gay athletes throughout the sporting world - whether or not they choose to be 'out' is up to them.
 

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I think the women showed the men's teams how to play hard and not roll around on the ground like a headless chicken trying to draw penalties all the time.
The Canadian Gals should be proud they did very well competing against teams or players that are appreciated and supported much better than our players.

OLYMPIC MEDAL WINNERS & CONCACAF CHAMPIONS
Canada are two-time Olympic bronze medal winners (2012 and 2016) and two-time Concacaf champions (1998 and 2010). In all, Canada have participated in seven consecutive editions of the FIFA Women’s World Cup™ (1995 to 2019) and three consecutive editions of the Women’s Olympic Football Tournament (2008 to 2016). At Rio 2016, Canada Soccer’s Women’s National Team were the first Canadian Olympic team to win back-to-back medals at a summer Olympic Games in more than a century.
 

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You are wrong/confused as no where in his post did BBB use the word 'open'. As stated, there are plenty of gay athletes throughout the sporting world - whether or not they choose to be 'out' is up to them.

Are you trying to split hairs?

In the opening post I talked about Megan being 'open' about being gay and even her quote claims that there are gay athletes on all championship teams. I never suggested BBB was wrong, I was stating that there are no openly gay male athletes in any of the major sports I cited and I was even hoping to be proven wrong.

Wouldn't it have been cool if amongst the Raptors or Blues players celebrating their recent championships that an athlete would have felt comfortable celebrating with their same sex partner amongst all the hetrosexual couples? And won't it even be cooler once it isn't even an issue or news worthy to report? That is my point.
 

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I was not trying to say that many gay athletes had declared their openness, just indicating throughout sports in general it's widely accepted. You are correct that we as a society have a long ways to go for more openness.

I've played and coached at a provincial level and have to say that the Provincial and National level organizations actively support gay rights.

I posted the Vince Lombardi link because with all his toughness and bluster, he was actively supporting all athletes. He treated all of his players the same , "like dogs" as the saying goes.
 

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I am not taking issue with your posts BB, but I also know there is still a stigma towards homosexuality specific to the male sport environment.
I have also coached youth or adults in three sports and also personally competed at a high level in those same three sports. In contact sport, I regularly heard male youth players call each other fags (usually in conjunction with other explatives) and am called a fag or faggot regularly when conflicts arise during competing. It doesn't happen in my life off of the sports field.
 

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I am not taking issue with your posts BB, but I also know there is still a stigma towards homosexuality specific to the male sport environment.
I have also coached youth or adults in three sports and also personally competed at a high level in those same three sports. In contact sport, I regularly heard male youth players call each other fags (usually in conjunction with other explatives) and am called a fag or faggot regularly when conflicts arise during competing. It doesn't happen in my life off of the sports field.
I get it and agree in casual or serious leagues hearing racial and homophobic comments do occur.

I played competitively around Vancouver and witnessed both on numerous occasions. It's up to the refs to handle or all hell can break loose. It's not an enviable position to be in for the Ref.
 

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There is a pay gap, but it's the men who are being short-changed. The constant whining from female athletes about how they are discriminated against, get tiresome, especially when the pay is almost entirely based on the fact women athletes consistently draw fewer spectators, and much less revenue.

According to Mike Oznian, a writer for Forbes, the 2015 Women’s World Cup “brought in almost $73 million, of which the players got 13%. The 2010 men’s World Cup in South Africa made almost $4 billion, of which 9% went to the players.”

Last year, the men’s World Cup in Russia generated more than $6 billion in revenue; the participating teams shared about $400 million. That is less than 7 percent of overall revenue. Meanwhile, the 2019 Women’s World Cup made somewhere in the region of $131 million, doling out $30 million, well more than 20 percent of collected revenue, to the participating teams.
 

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CT, I don't know if you heard, but Nike's top selling team jersey of 2019 belongs to the US Women's Soccer Team. And when Britain played France in the Women's World Cup, it was the most watched television program in Britain of 2019 (and remember the Champions League Final featured two EPL teams). This week the EPL decided it is time to fully promote their women's clubs. Something is happening here and a lot of the credit has to go to the US Women's Soccer program and their suit against US Soccer for equal pay for equal work.
 

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Check your closet..:)
"Go gays! You can't win a championship without gays on your team, it has never been done before, ever. That's science, right there!"

Whatever.....just play soccer.....FFS
 

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CT, I don't know if you heard, but Nike's top selling team jersey of 2019 belongs to the US Women's Soccer Team. And when Britain played France in the Women's World Cup, it was the most watched television program in Britain of 2019 (and remember the Champions League Final featured two EPL teams). This week the EPL decided it is time to fully promote their women's clubs. Something is happening here and a lot of the credit has to go to the US Women's Soccer program and their suit against US Soccer for equal pay for equal work.
One country, one year, doesn't make a case.

The WWC final ths year fell 10 million viewers in America from 4 years ago.

Long-term interest is entirely based on how long the US team keeps winning. They get knocked out early in a tournament, and the audience dries up.

Ever try to watch a regular league woman's soccer game? Boring.

Ever try to watch women's professional basketball? Deadly.

Women's hockey? Unwatchable.

Even women's tennis is usually quite dull, full of long rallies that end in a mistake for a point.

You also missed the point that, as a percentage of money vailable, the women receive more than the men.
 
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Do you think the viewership numbers could have something to do with the time of day of the match? The US networks certainly do. The last Women's World Cup was hosted in Canada and the final was played in primetime in N.A., while the 2019 tournament was hosted in France and the final was played in the morning/early morning in N.A.

The US Women have outperformed the US Men in viewership, ticket sales and performance outcome - the Men's best performance was third in 1930 and they didn't even qualify for the tournament last year.

As far as entertainment, before the Whitecaps joined MLS, I attended more women's games than men's, extending back to the Andrea Neal/Kara Lang days, and they played a more exciting style of soccer. If you can personally kick a ball as hard, far or as accurate as Kara Lang could as a 15 year old, I would value your opinion on soccer, but I know you can't, so go watch golf.

The rest of your opines, quite honestly, make you sound like an incel. Maybe think about that.
 
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Megan is a great footballer always the goto player to get the job done everytime very much like our own Ms Sinclair. One big difference is that Megan loves the spotlight as much as she loves the beautiful game perhaps she's right to a certain degree. For women's soccer I believe the best growth is attributed to expansion of all the worlds major clubs to include women's team s at every level from senior, U-23 all the way down to U14's. The Lionesses, Englands team had 7 of the starting 11 who play for Manchester City FC. At the club they have access to all the best. Europe is catching up to America, Asia and Africa still working on it. America & Canada have always had the NCAA but now in the Americas its the clubs that are providing the best as the MLS explosive growth continues. The women's game jumps in leaps and bounds every tournament creative beautiful mastery of the game at every level evident love it.
 

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Do you think the viewership numbers could have something to do with the time of day of the match? The US networks certainly do. The last Women's World Cup was hosted in Canada and the final was played in primetime in N.A., while the 2019 tournament was hosted in France and the final was played in the morning/early morning in N.A.

The US Women have outperformed the US Men in viewership, ticket sales and performance outcome - the Men's best performance was third in 1930 and they didn't even qualify for the tournament last year.

As far as entertainment, before the Whitecaps joined MLS, I attended more women's games than men's, extending back to the Andrea Neal/Kara Lang days, and they played a more exciting style of soccer. If you can personally kick a ball as hard, far or as accurate as Kara Lang could as a 15 year old, I would value your opinion on soccer, but I know you can't, so go watch golf.

The rest of your opines, quite honestly, make you sound like an incel. Maybe think about that.
Viewership is pretty much confined to World Cups every four years. Much like the audience for fringe sports like judo, rhythmic gymnastics or biathlon. The National Women’s Soccer league 2018 season saw an average 6,024 spectators among the 9 teams, the highest average attendance in league history. 6,024 - Average. Not exactly setting the world on fire.

Haven’t the Whitecaps women team and the league they were in disappeared?

Women’s soccer in the US also can't hold onto TV contracts, and viewership for what they can scrounge is dismal, but hey, when you can't argue facts, throw out a childish insult.
 

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I could continue to engage with you, raising arguments of systematic discrimination that have constantly and consistently under valued and under resourced women's athletic opportunities and development, or that if you were a soccer fan you would also know that you are conveniently forgetting about the draw of the Women's CONCACAF championship and Olympic tournaments, or that the attendance numbers you cite are on par with a well attended Whitecap's match pre MLS, or that your disparagement of women's sport in general indicates that you can't accept that women can be exceptionally skilled and athletic, which probably is an indication of your own athletic inadequacy and insecurity, or possibly even indicates a general hatred towards women, but I won't.

On my recent date with Georgie Goddard, she told me that even though she is a competitive person, she has matured enough to not engage in arguments with people she recognizes are only arguing to achieve emotional responses from other people. Georgie had a label for them, but unfortunately I can't remember it. I will take her approach. Thanks Georgie, for not only being a great date, but teaching me a useful life skill.
 

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I could continue to engage with you, raising arguments of systematic discrimination that have constantly and consistently under valued and under resourced women's athletic opportunities and development, or that if you were a soccer fan you would also know that you are conveniently forgetting about the draw of the Women's CONCACAF championship and Olympic tournaments, or that the attendance numbers you cite are on par with a well attended Whitecap's match pre MLS, or that your disparagement of women's sport in general indicates that you can't accept that women can be exceptionally skilled and athletic, which probably is an indication of your own athletic inadequacy and insecurity, or possibly even indicates a general hatred towards women, but I won't.

On my recent date with Georgie Goddard, she told me that even though she is a competitive person, she has matured enough to not engage in arguments with people she recognizes are only arguing to achieve emotional responses from other people. Georgie had a label for them, but unfortunately I can't remember it. I will take her approach. Thanks Georgie, for not only being a great date, but teaching me a useful life skill.
Thanks for proving my points. Major tournaments are the only time women's soccer draws audiences, and I never mentioned skill level at any time. That's your biased conclusion, despite your attempt at virtue signalling.

Arguing something by insulting your opponent, when you know nothing about them is probably the surest way to prove you've lost your argument. That, and drawing false narratives.

Re your last paragraph - pointless information about a random date, and the total lack of insight to your own behaviour.
 

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It appears that Megan has not only caught the public's attention, but is on her way to being an influencer. Could the next step be Megan for president?!
 
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