Culturally sensitive EI question

beaveraddict

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I ask this in the spirit of curiosity and respectful dialogue.

There have been a few threads on PERB querying about East Indian SPs and 3-4 names, very beautiful & pricey, always come up. But that's it... which made me curious.
The 2016 census data on Wikipedia had Metro Vancouver's ethic populations as:

49.3% European ("white")
19.6% Chinese
12% South Asian (the majority of Punjabi origin... let's use "EI" for the sake of this post as the geography includes Pakistan, India, Bangladesh & Sri Lanka)

If one were to do an informal survey of Leolist, the number of SPs posting of European origin seems to be roughly correct, while Chinese SPs seem over-represented, and there are also many Filipino (5.1%), Korean (2.2%), SE Asian (1.9%) & Japanese (1.2%) women advertising who are either in proportion or greater than their population (brackets = census data). The same goes for Latin American (1.4%) and Black (1.2%) women.

One only has to wander through any shopping mall or college campus in our fair city to literally experience whiplash at the number of beautiful EI women... so, proportionally, one would expect to see one EI woman for every 5 white women or 3 Asian women advertising on Leolist/Tryst/etc.... but that is really not the case.

Furthermore, the majority of EI women in the SP age bracket living in Metro Vancouver are likely Canadian-born and, thus, assimilated into the same generic North American culture as any other 2nd generation group. One often sees multi-ethnic groups of friends... so if the local white girls and Canadian-born Asian girls don't have qualms about sex-work, is there some unspoken cultural barrier in the EI community?

I'm guessing there are plenty of EI men on Perb... would any care to offer their insight? Or, anyone else who might have a plausible theory (socio-economic, etc.) about this statistical anomaly?
 
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I ask this in the spirit of curiosity and respectful dialogue.

There have been a few threads on PERB querying about East Indian SPs and 3-4 names, very beautiful & pricey, always come up. But that's it... which made me curious.
The 2016 census data on Wikipedia had Metro Vancouver's ethic populations as:

49.3% European ("white")
19.6% Chinese
12% South Asian (the majority of Punjabi origin... let's use "EI" for the sake of this post)

If one were to do an informal survey of Leolist, the number of SPs posting of European origin seems to be roughly correct, while Chinese SPs seem over-represented, and there are also many Filipino (5.1%), Korean (2.2%), SE Asian (1.9%) & Japanese (1.2%) women advertising who are either in proportion or greater than their population (brackets = census data). The same goes for Latin American (1.4%) and Black (1.2%) women.

One only has to wander through any shopping mall or college campus in our fair city to literally experience whiplash at the number of beautiful EI women... so, proportionally, one would expect to see one EI woman for every 5 white women or 3 Asian women advertising on Leolist/Tryst/etc.... but that is really not the case.

Furthermore, the majority of EI women in the SP age bracket living in Metro Vancouver are likely Canadian-born and, thus, assimilated into the same generic North American culture as any other 2nd generation group. One often sees multi-ethnic groups of friends... so if the local white girls and Canadian-born Asian girls don't have qualms about sex-work, is there some unspoken cultural barrier in the EI community?

I'm guessing there are plenty of EI men on Perb... would any care to offer their insight? Or, anyone else who might have a plausible theory (socio-economic, etc.) about this statistical anomaly?
I can't answer your question with an educated guess but the observation I have are that a lot of the Chinese sex workers are floaters - Students, individuals, temporary travelers, or short term visitors.

I don't know that Canada is a desired exchange / education country for Indians. Most of them head to the US instead.

The word "East Indians" is fucking weird. They're from India, they're just Indians. We're not North North Americans. We're Canadians.
 

beaveraddict

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I can't answer your question with an educated guess but the observation I have are that a lot of the Chinese sex workers are floaters - Students, individuals, temporary travelers, or short term visitors.

I don't know that Canada is a desired exchange / education country for Indians. Most of them head to the US instead.

The word "East Indians" is fucking weird. They're from India, they're just Indians. We're not North North Americans. We're Canadians.
Agreed about the terminology, but I was just going with common usage... Columbus didn't understand longitude 500+ years ago and we're still confused!
Leolist uses "Indo-Canadian", which seems cumbersome while nearly every thread I've read on PERB uses the term "EI" so I was keeping it simple & apologies for the colonial baggage.
 

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I ask this in the spirit of curiosity and respectful dialogue.

There have been a few threads on PERB querying about East Indian SPs and 3-4 names, very beautiful & pricey, always come up. But that's it... which made me curious.
The 2016 census data on Wikipedia had Metro Vancouver's ethic populations as:

49.3% European ("white")
19.6% Chinese
12% South Asian (the majority of Punjabi origin... let's use "EI" for the sake of this post as the geography includes Pakistan, India, Bangladesh & Sri Lanka)

If one were to do an informal survey of Leolist, the number of SPs posting of European origin seems to be roughly correct, while Chinese SPs seem over-represented, and there are also many Filipino (5.1%), Korean (2.2%), SE Asian (1.9%) & Japanese (1.2%) women advertising who are either in proportion or greater than their population (brackets = census data). The same goes for Latin American (1.4%) and Black (1.2%) women.

One only has to wander through any shopping mall or college campus in our fair city to literally experience whiplash at the number of beautiful EI women... so, proportionally, one would expect to see one EI woman for every 5 white women or 3 Asian women advertising on Leolist/Tryst/etc.... but that is really not the case.

Furthermore, the majority of EI women in the SP age bracket living in Metro Vancouver are likely Canadian-born and, thus, assimilated into the same generic North American culture as any other 2nd generation group. One often sees multi-ethnic groups of friends... so if the local white girls and Canadian-born Asian girls don't have qualms about sex-work, is there some unspoken cultural barrier in the EI community?

I'm guessing there are plenty of EI men on Perb... would any care to offer their insight? Or, anyone else who might have a plausible theory (socio-economic, etc.) about this statistical anomaly?
Not everything in society has to align in perfect proportion to the overall population. The NBA is an American sports league, the majority of NBA players are African American and in no ways reflect proportionally to the overall American population. The NBA, and sex workers for that matter, constitute a sub-population: a sub-population may or may not (usually doesn't however) display perfect proportionality to the overall population from which the sub-population is derived. A sub-population not exhibiting the same proportionality as the overall population does not mean there is statistical anomaly. If one wants to know what females in a certain ethnic group think of sex work - you would need to sample females in that certain ethnic group, not look at ethnic breakdowns of all sex-workers.
 

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is there some unspoken cultural barrier in the EI community?
Like perhaps a chance to become a victim of an "honor killing"? That's a pretty strong deterrent.

Even if we hope that practice goes away completely, culture won't change easily. If a young women gets disowned by her family, that's a harsh punishment given their close family ties.
 

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Like perhaps a chance to become a victim of an "honor killing"? That's a pretty strong deterrent.

Even if we hope that practice goes away completely, culture won't change easily. If a young women gets disowned by her family, that's a harsh punishment given their close family ties.

I would have to tend to agree, with Felix's assessment .

Jassi Sidhu simply fell in Love, and married the perceived wrong Man .
I don't think Sex Work, would fall on a kinder Eye ?

In Jassi's case, almost 20 years later, Justice hasn't fully been served !



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ted-in-slaying-of-daughter-in-india-1.1156809

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...im-to-be-extradited-to-india/article18583109/

Back in the Day when I frequented Strip Clubs, I shared the OP's curiosity, and fascination !
You very rarely, saw an EI Stripper .

Cultural norms, die hard, IMHO !

Hopefully, We can move away from these extreme Acts of Violence, in our Canadian society !

Cheers

P.S. I can't imagine any Parent, wanting to kill their own Child ?
But, especially a Mother, feeling such contempt for her Daughter ! I always assumed a special bond, between a Mother, and a Daughter .
I know, I play second Fiddle, with mine !
 
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Winnipeg has a large East Indian community but no SP's that I am aware of. Also have a large Chinese community, again no SP's that I am aware of. Filipino I believe one or two.
There are likely many reasons why this is the case.
Maybe start with "some" of the reasons someone becomes a SP and you might start getting some answers.
 

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Maybe they EI women are scared of their families.....Its a close community, just like your church's community, you don't do anything outside the norms of those cultures.... if you do and are caught; expect retaliation of some kind...

Today as I understand it, most SW get into the business for the money aspects; a means to an end. Not because their boyfriend pimped them into it.

As for honor killings- it goes to show that the EI culture has some updating/evolving to do.
 

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Here's a guess.

Many (not all) of the Chinese SPs in Vancouver are floaters. They're here on a short-term basis. If things go bad, not many would know, and they certainly don't have to report to anyone.

There aren't a lot of Indian floaters in Vancouver. Most of them are with their families or live here generationally. If you look at real CBA's, not a whole lot of them are SPs either.

I think it boils down to how far away you are from home. Where Indians see Canada as an immigration country, the Chinese see Canada as a diving-board country. The former are here to settle and live, and many must care about their reputation. The latter are just trying to get that college diploma so they can go back to China and show off their foreign education.

Just a thought.
 

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The word "East Indians" is fucking weird. They're from India, they're just Indians. We're not North North Americans. We're Canadians.
Caribbean nations field a,"Team West Indies" in International Cricket tournaments.
The Islands of the Caribbean,are referred to as ,"The West Indies" featuring,"West Indian "culture.
Ethnicities within West Indian culture may include trace Carib & Arawak Indigenous peoples,European peoples,Afro-Caribbean peoples and Indo-Caribbean peoples.

"Indo-Canadian"is a commonly used term in the media,which may be a better fit than,"East Indian".
Just as,"Indigenous/First Nation"may be a better fit than,"Indian/Native Indian".
Perhaps,"Indian" applied to anyone living outside of India,carries the stigma of colonialist context.

Engelbert Humperdink
 

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Caribbean nations field a,"Team West Indies" in International Cricket tournaments.
The Islands of the Caribbean,are referred to as ,"The West Indies" featuring,"West Indian "culture.
Ethnicities within West Indian culture may include trace Carib & Arawak Indigenous peoples,European peoples,Afro-Caribbean peoples and Indo-Caribbean peoples.

"Indo-Canadian"is a commonly used term in the media,which may be a better fit than,"East Indian".
Just as,"Indigenous/First Nation"may be a better fit than,"Indian/Native Indian".
Perhaps,"Indian" applied to anyone living outside of India,carries the stigma of colonialist context.

Engelbert Humperdink
I'm just gonna call them Indians, because they're from India.
 

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I think it boils down to how far away you are from home.
Good point. Anecdotally, lots of Vancouver SPs seem to be from a different province / part of province, any ethnicity. Young women can take chances much easier when away from the family.

Stigma around sex work remains here, and can be much worse in "traditional" societies i.e. most places outside of Canada. In India, even kissing was taboo on TV not that long ago - how does that compare to an escort ad that relatives might see.
 

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Good point. Anecdotally, lots of Vancouver SPs seem to be from a different province / part of province, any ethnicity. Young women can take chances much easier when away from the family.

Stigma around sex work remains here, and can be much worse in "traditional" societies i.e. most places outside of Canada. In India, even kissing was taboo on TV not that long ago - how does that compare to an escort ad that relatives might see.
I think you're getting "warmer" in the sense that the proximity to their own community might dissuade any woman from sex work. Yet, I have met Vancouver-born caucasian girls...

As for the "spring-board" theory, the Chinese community actually has longer roots in the lower mainland than the Indian community and even through the majority of Chinese SPs are foreign born, there are still more Canadian-born Chinese/other-Asians proportionally than Indians, Canadian-born & foreign totalled. Interestingly, if you explore LEOLIST and set preferences to the Greater Toronto Area, there are actually a lot of Indian SPs, many advertising as Canadian-born. Perhaps the dearth of Indian SPs in Vancouver & environs has something to do with the Hindu/Sikh split between those two regions? I don't really buy into the "honour killing" theory - sadly that happens - but that violent & retrograde patriarchy doesn't apply to any of the Indo-Canadians I've ever met.

At the end of the day, I was just wondering if there were a parallel & underground network of Bollywood princesses operating in the Lower Mainland, LOL.
But seriously, is there? What I would give to meet a local SP who resembled Jameela Jamil :eyebrows:
 

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I'm half Iranian, and there are common parallels between Middle Easterners and people of South Asian descent. It's impossible as someone who has some understanding of the culture to narrow it down to any single factor. I think it would be easier to ask the current EI and Middle Eastern SP's what is it that lead them to becoming an SP, rather than wondering why there are presently not others in the industry. Saying stuff like fear of honor killings is an over-generalization. Does it happen? Yes, but at most I think girls would get disowned or their families would do some type of intervention ad they would likely believe their daughter/sister is mentally ill and needs help for choosing such a profession. Another possibility to consider as well is that there are likely SPs who may advertise themselves as a completely different ethnicity so as to keep that part about themselves private. South Asians can potentially pass for Hispanic, they can claim to be mixed, they can pass for Persian/Middle Eastern, and some can even go as far as claiming to be partially black. I know of one presently active SP who may be Middle Eastern (but advertises as white), while there was another Middle Eastern girl who years ago advertised as Hispanic.

One thing, which is the case with ethnic families is that those who come and stay tend to do so because they've done well for themselves and for their family as a whole, so that financial need may not be there as much for people who come from said upbringing. Similarly, i notice ethnic parents in many cases will go as far as buying their kids cars, pay for their education, and later in life their weddings.. where in more western(ized) households if you wanted something you had to go out and work on your own to get it, and if you were a student you got student loans or worked numerous jobs to save up and pay... same thing with weddings. I noticed people from ethnic families had a tendency of having certain expenses paid for them, as opposed to those who come from westernized families. Another thing is there's a cultural elitism (in the case of Iranians at least) where if you're going to school it' better be to become a doctor, lawyer, or an accountant. It obviously doesn't always work out that way, but I can say that's another factor where people are expected to have a career in something that makes you seem important. This is sort of my personal observation based on my general circle. There's obviously other factors and it's only going to vary person to person.

Presently there are SP's who are Indo-Canadian and Middle Eastern, and what it comes down to (despite familial pressures/taboos) is that if they truly wanted to provide services for those in the hobby then they would.

"Indo-Canadian"is a commonly used term in the media,which may be a better fit than,"East Indian".
I could be wrong about this, but I believe Indo-Canadian may be in reference to more than just people from India. If I'm not mistaken I think it's supposed to be used to give a general description for just about anyone who could be from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Fiji...etc
 

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I am 'E.I." myself and found this thread quite interesting. So many different opinions and perceptions.

As far as EI sp's are concerned, as someone else pointed out, many of them are from that general geographical area of south Asia e.g. India, Sri Lanka, Bangldesh, Pakistan. Although I don't think there are any sp's of Pak descent. Don't forget that many of the SPs' that advertise as E.Ind. are also from Fiji, which has a large population of Indian diaspora. Remember, many or even most non-Indian people can not tell the difference between various ethnicities from that region. I can go on and on about the features that help me tell them apart, but that topic for another day. It is similar for me. I can not tell the difference between girls from mainland China and Hong Kong (unless I hear them speak). Having lived here for most of my life, I can now tell apart girls of the Filipina, Vietnamese or Thai origin. I still get somewhat mixed up between Japanese and Korean girls unless I hear them have a long conversation. But I digress. ..

To me personally, E.I. is someone who is born in India or who is first, second or third generation "Indo Canadian". From purely that perspective, I found only two girls who fit that category. One who called herself 'Priya' in those days, and she used to change names on weekly basis. Yea, the one who used to work out of motels in Surrey area. She was clearly of E.I., and more specifically, Punjabi descent. There is one more who I think is of purely Punjabi descent. But out of respect, I am not going to say who it is.

There are some SPs' whose ethnicity is rooted in India or in south Asia. There are some who are from Fiji as well, which has a big number of people who migrated from India centuries ago. There is another one of Indian descent. She came to Canada via East Africa.

Regarding why you don't see many first or second generation Indian girls working, my opinion is that firstly, it is a big taboo. Prostitution is illegal in that part of the world. It is looked down upon by the society. Also, Indian community is very close knit. Most of the Indian people you see around here are from Punjab, which is not really a large state. If anyone of those stopped another random person on the street and started to talk, they will end up finding some way of connecting via their backgrounds. I could talk to pretty much any random person of my descent and find a place, person or thing that we commonly know and a connection is made. Subject to the condition that both sides are willing to open up. :)

So to sum it up, the girls are afraid of running into someone they know because it would mean that word will spread around very quickly and the society in general and girl's family in particular will disown her.

Regarding students not engaging in this profession, since south Asian community is very conservative, these female students are not as independent thinking as a female has to be in order to be in this profession. Also being of shy nature, the first generation female students who come here just don't have the skills that are required to become a good SP. Sexuality is a very hush hush in this culture. Take oral pleasure, BJ in particular, for example, it is considered disgusting (by female only of course).

Put it all together and you have a misproportion of Indian SP's vs Indian population in Canada. The smaller the city, this proportion will be even lower. As someone pointed out earlier, there are almost no SP of Indian descent in WPG. I have been told that Toronto has many more SP's of Indian descent. I use the word descent, because they could be from the Caribbean and Toronto has a large population who came from West Indies. During British rule, many Indians were taken to British colonies and hence you find people of Indian descent all over the world. Again, a friend of mine told me that there is a fairly large number of south Asian girls working in London, which of course is one of the largest cities in the world.

This is how I see it, being of E. Indian, Indian or Indo Canadian descent, whatever you prefer. To me these are just words.

As far as the term 'East Indian' is concerned, my opinion is that this term came into use to make a distinction between aboriginal Indians and Indians from India. I don't think these words are disrespectful, it is the person who uses them.

That is just my opinion. Cheers!

As far as me seeing Indian SP's is concerned, I am still to be with one who advertises AND is in fact of strictly and purely Indian descent. Someone suggested Nitya Narula, but it didn't work out for me. So the quest is still on!!!

T8E
 

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Regarding why you don't see many first or second generation Indian girls working, my opinion is that firstly, it is a big taboo. Prostitution is illegal in that part of the world. It is looked down upon by the society. Also, Indian community is very close knit. Most of the Indian people you see around here are from Punjab, which is not really a large state. If anyone of those stopped another random person on the street and started to talk, they will end up finding some way of connecting via their backgrounds. I could talk to pretty much any random person of my descent and find a place, person or thing that we commonly know and a connection is made. Subject to the condition that both sides are willing to open up. :)

So to sum it up, the girls are afraid of running into someone they know because it would mean that word will spread around very quickly and the society in general and girl's family in particular will disown her.


As far as me seeing Indian SP's is concerned, I am still to be with one who advertises AND is in fact of strictly and purely Indian descent. Someone suggested Nitya Narula, but it didn't work out for me. So the quest is still on!!!

T8E
Thanks for your comments.

The threat of disowning or worse is quite real as I have been told.

Pillow talk one day about having another Indian SP join us for a duo was immediately turned down. The Indian community is not only well connected throughout Canada but has close ties back to India, Punjab and the rest of South Asia.

Just one slip about meeting such and such to the wrong person could out them both throughout their families, provinces and the places where their families came from in S Asia. It sounded like a very scary issue that precludes them from even socializing with other S Asian providers.
 

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I am 'E.I." myself and found this thread quite interesting. So many different opinions and perceptions.

As far as EI sp's are concerned, as someone else pointed out, many of them are from that general geographical area of south Asia e.g. India, Sri Lanka, Bangldesh, Pakistan. Although I don't think there are any sp's of Pak descent. Don't forget that many of the SPs' that advertise as E.Ind. are also from Fiji, which has a large population of Indian diaspora. Remember, many or even most non-Indian people can not tell the difference between various ethnicities from that region. I can go on and on about the features that help me tell them apart, but that topic for another day. It is similar for me. I can not tell the difference between girls from mainland China and Hong Kong (unless I hear them speak). Having lived here for most of my life, I can now tell apart girls of the Filipina, Vietnamese or Thai origin. I still get somewhat mixed up between Japanese and Korean girls unless I hear them have a long conversation. But I digress. ..

To me personally, E.I. is someone who is born in India or who is first, second or third generation "Indo Canadian". From purely that perspective, I found only two girls who fit that category. One who called herself 'Priya' in those days, and she used to change names on weekly basis. Yea, the one who used to work out of motels in Surrey area. She was clearly of E.I., and more specifically, Punjabi descent. There is one more who I think is of purely Punjabi descent. But out of respect, I am not going to say who it is.

There are some SPs' whose ethnicity is rooted in India or in south Asia. There are some who are from Fiji as well, which has a big number of people who migrated from India centuries ago. There is another one of Indian descent. She came to Canada via East Africa.

Regarding why you don't see many first or second generation Indian girls working, my opinion is that firstly, it is a big taboo. Prostitution is illegal in that part of the world. It is looked down upon by the society. Also, Indian community is very close knit. Most of the Indian people you see around here are from Punjab, which is not really a large state. If anyone of those stopped another random person on the street and started to talk, they will end up finding some way of connecting via their backgrounds. I could talk to pretty much any random person of my descent and find a place, person or thing that we commonly know and a connection is made. Subject to the condition that both sides are willing to open up. :)

So to sum it up, the girls are afraid of running into someone they know because it would mean that word will spread around very quickly and the society in general and girl's family in particular will disown her.

Regarding students not engaging in this profession, since south Asian community is very conservative, these female students are not as independent thinking as a female has to be in order to be in this profession. Also being of shy nature, the first generation female students who come here just don't have the skills that are required to become a good SP. Sexuality is a very hush hush in this culture. Take oral pleasure, BJ in particular, for example, it is considered disgusting (by female only of course).

Put it all together and you have a misproportion of Indian SP's vs Indian population in Canada. The smaller the city, this proportion will be even lower. As someone pointed out earlier, there are almost no SP of Indian descent in WPG. I have been told that Toronto has many more SP's of Indian descent. I use the word descent, because they could be from the Caribbean and Toronto has a large population who came from West Indies. During British rule, many Indians were taken to British colonies and hence you find people of Indian descent all over the world. Again, a friend of mine told me that there is a fairly large number of south Asian girls working in London, which of course is one of the largest cities in the world.

This is how I see it, being of E. Indian, Indian or Indo Canadian descent, whatever you prefer. To me these are just words.

As far as the term 'East Indian' is concerned, my opinion is that this term came into use to make a distinction between aboriginal Indians and Indians from India. I don't think these words are disrespectful, it is the person who uses them.

That is just my opinion. Cheers!

As far as me seeing Indian SP's is concerned, I am still to be with one who advertises AND is in fact of strictly and purely Indian descent. Someone suggested Nitya Narula, but it didn't work out for me. So the quest is still on!!!

T8E
I had no idea!
I've been talking with you here and in PM for years .......and by E.I. I'm pretty sure you don't mean Employment Insurance.
For some reason I thought you where a white guy, that had an awesome sense of humor....now when you say to me " your a very bad man".....Or " somebody's gonna get hurt" , it will resound in my head completely different.
Awesome insight into a people and culture with your post my friend....
 

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I had no idea!
I've been talking with you here and in PM for years .......and by E.I. I'm pretty sure you don't mean Employment Insurance.
For some reason I thought you where a white guy, that had an awesome sense of humor....now when you say to me " your a very bad man".....Or " somebody's gonna get hurt" , it will resound in my head completely different.
Awesome insight into a people and culture with your post my friend....

And hear I thought Cowboys, had a Sixth Sense about their surroundings ? LOL


Let me chime in. Being of South Asian descent myself, here are my favorites of all time.

On Scott Rd and about 82nd, Delta side- Tasty Indian Bistro: The best food, service and ambiance. We have held so many family get togethers there.
On Scott Rd and 64. There is Green Lettuce. It is Indo-Chinese food. Although I have not tried their fusion food. A Chinese looking guy speaking Hindi is worth the price for me. They are very good.
Vij's- Went there twice. It clearly is targetting non-Indian clientele. Food is not bad at the best. The service is good too. My problem is the owner, Vij. He comes out and visits tables himself. He wants feedback, but I got the sense he only wants positive feedback. :)
Prabu Sweets on 128th and 70th. (ddcanz, for you.) They are take out only. They are THE best for sweets and many other dishes. They are also the cleanest, tastiest but the busiest of them all.

Most popular take out or eat in Indian snacks are Samosas. But you should also try Pakoras (Veg and Fish kind). Basically all sorts of veggies covered in batter and deep fried. They are sold by pounds, usually.

Remember most of the Indian restaurants here are North Indian. Places that sell Dosa, Idli, Sambar or places like Madras serve predominantly South Indian food, which is quite different.

Butter Chicken is probably the most popular non-veg North Indian dish among non-Indians (and Indians as well). If you ever get a chance, try Tandoori (over - roasted)** chicken too. It is not really eaten as a dish but it is great with drinks or just as snack.
(*it should read oven-roasted, not over roasted as I originally typed by mistake)

ddcanz is wondering why there is so much grease in Indian food. Well, it just is. I don't know why though. May be because it tastes good. lol Speaking of grease and oil, if you are go to Tasty Indian Bistro during lunch, they have these set platters. If you don't mind greasy breads, then try their Poori-Chana combo or Bhatura-Chana combo. Basically Indian bread with chick peas.

For dessert, the best Indian desserts are Ras Mallai, it is dairy based (but so are half of North Indian dishes lol) Also some places have this ice cream like dessert (with Indian flavors) it is called Kulfi (some add these noodle like strings to it.) If I could, I would start my all meals with desserts. :)

I can go on and on, but I am getting hungry. If you want more info, feel free to pm me. :)

Bon Apptit.

PS: If you ever want to try Indian flavored pizza, there is a place in Cloverdale called Jumbo Pizza. Their Butter Chicken or Tandoori Chicken pizza is The Best I have ever had. They can make it mild or spicy for you.
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Great Post, by the way Ocho !

If You did come across a Pakistani SP, how would You handle that ?
Sounds like a compromising position for both parties, once involved ! And even more so, if there was some Family relation possibly ?

Niece, Cousin, Etc .

Cheers
 

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Great Post, by the way Ocho !

If You did come across a Pakistani SP, how would You handle that ?
Sounds like a compromising position for both parties, once involved ! And even more so, if there was some Family relation possibly ?

Niece, Cousin, Etc .

Cheers
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VM, trust me, the animosity and the hostility between Ind and Pak are only at political and military level. More intense than those is the rivalry at cricket and field hockey level. In fact, India Pak relationship are the best example of a love hate relationship.
People of both nations are pretty much cool with everything. I have loads of Pakistani friends, we share the same culture, same food, same language (for most part), same music, art and literature. Artists, writers and poets from both sides travel across the border and admired on both sides.

Regarding If I came across a Pakistani SP, trust me it would be no different than me trying another new ethnicity. Regarding possible family relation, there wouldn't be any. Because (and let this not start a new discussion about hatred), I am not a Muslim and there are extremely microscopical minute number of people of my ethnicity in that country. Trust me, things are very complex and complicated in that part of the world.

Having said that, chances of seeing a first generation or I would venture to say second generation Pakistani SP, here in Canada, are very remote. Outside of Pak, I know there are a few in Dubai and I was told in UK.

T8E
 
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