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Miss Hunter

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The reality of this industry is it’s typically the young, new to the industry ladies that deal with the most bullshit. Not saying every guy who sees the young ones are looking to take advantage, but the guys who are looking for cheaper, less restrictions, purposely staying over time etc, etc, etc, prey on the new ones because they know they have greater chance at getting their way with them.

And they’re the ones who try telling the lady how the industry is. Grandma Hunter was new once too, she remembers.

Edit; “Grandma” is a bit of a stretch. But I’m at least old enough to be these 18-19year olds ladies’ mother.
 

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Reading through the thread I have to agree about the relationship part. Whether it's a SB, escort, or other there is a relationship that exists. They might be defined by different parameters than a marriage, coworker, or family relationship but it is still a relationship. Even business transactions require a relationship by their very nature.
As for the fees Re: being taken advantage of; I have to disagree. That statement almost seems like a double standard. On the one hand we tell the pooners going rate is say $300 hr. If you think it's too much or you can't afford it don't poon. On the other hand if you find a lady willing to take $200 instead of $300 the pooner is taking advantage of her? I don't think so.
I've done the SB thing a few times over the years. What have I paid for an overnight or weekend? It's varied depending on the lady and circumstances. I can tell you the lowest I've paid for a full weekend from Friday night to Sunday night is $0.00. That's right nothing. Did she think I took advantage of her? Not at all. Paid for flights, hotel, dinner, shows, etc.. She had a great time. We both had a great time.
I find it funny when people say its about more than the money but then always fall back on the issue of money.
I totally agree …..just as much as a SP wants to charge top dollar why can't we look for the best value?? The price is determined by the market. All I am saying is that is what I am willing to pay and looking to pay and if she doesn't like it I move on. I am no coercing or forcing anyone to that price. There's plenty of really nice down to earth girls on the website and those arrangements are made between to willing parties.
 

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I just turned 30 for some context and make some pretty good coin. I can play the part of a SD.

I'm a pretty heavy SA user and I prefer it to regular pooning. It's like a cross between pooning and dating. It's pretty simple. I usually buy a one month subscription at a time. I message back and forth, exchange contact info (I usually do IG). You should be able to get enough numbers to last a few months with a one month sub imo.

After a bit of chatting we go for coffee or a drink and see if there's chemistry. These girls are usually pretty young 19-23 so that's always exciting (unlike 99% of SP who claim to be that age).

Before settling into an arrangement, most are okay with some sort of ppm. They usually live at home so they show up right to your front door once you've established the rapport.

Most my ppms are 200-300 with girls who are extremely attractive.

You shouldn't have to go on more than one coffee/drink to establish enough rapport for the first intimate date.

I also respectfully disagree with clementinexoxo. Sure the girls could make 500-600/ hour if they went full pro and posted on leolist for an hourly rate. But based on my conversations, they're not looking to be full on sex workers and just want some money for a new iPhone or whatever. They're not looking for a high volume of men. Maybe just a handful of select dudes who they can hook up with a couple times a week for some cash. If everyone is happy, doesn't that mean it's fair?

What I feel is being taken advantage of is posting a fake age or fake measurements etc. But we all have our opinions haha
 

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I also respectfully disagree with clementinexoxo. Sure the girls could make 500-600/ hour if they went full pro and posted on leolist for an hourly rate. But based on my conversations, they're not looking to be full on sex workers and just want some money for a new iPhone or whatever. They're not looking for a high volume of men. Maybe just a handful of select dudes who they can hook up with a couple times a week for some cash. If everyone is happy, doesn't that mean it's fair?

What I feel is being taken advantage of is posting a fake age or fake measurements etc. But we all have our opinions haha
My thoughts here:
First, do these *women* (I certainly hope you're not sleeping with girls) know that they could make 500/600/h? Do you think they’d charge more if they knew so? Second, SUGAR BABIES ARE SEX WORKERS. If someone is having sex with you for money, they’re a sex worker. End of story. Also, a LOT of hourly workers don’t take on high volumes of clients; also, a LOT of sugar babies DO and lie about it (myself and all my friends when I was sugaring) to create a more “monogamish illusion” for their clients, if you will. So, maybe they just have you hoodwinked? Also "a small handful of select dudes" sounds like me honestly. I don’t often have more than 5 clients a week, most of whom are regulars. So it sounds to me, honestly, like you are talking when you should be listening.

We post fake ages/measurements because it’s what YOU want, tbh.
 

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I just made two arrangements and meeting one girl for the first time this afternoon for a whole day of sex and I am paying $500 per meet which is more than normal but she’s a hot 19 year old Vietnamese girl. Another arrangement i set up is for a 19 year old Chinese girl for the same amount and a little less time spent together. Both are university girls and just looking for some money and fun. I met this 19 year old Filipino girl a few works ago and it was a great deal. We negotiated $300 per meet but instead we did in my car for $150 and she let me cum inside her. It was a lot of fun. Anyways all 3 are going to be ongoing and such and we will meet when we can. Everyone is happy with it.
 

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I just made two arrangements and meeting one girl for the first time this afternoon for a whole day of sex and I am paying $500 per meet which is more than normal but she’s a hot 19 year old Vietnamese girl. Another arrangement i set up is for a 19 year old Chinese girl for the same amount and a little less time spent together. Both are university girls and just looking for some money and fun. I met this 19 year old Filipino girl a few works ago and it was a great deal. We negotiated $300 per meet but instead we did in my car for $150 and she let me cum inside her. It was a lot of fun. Anyways all 3 are going to be ongoing and such and we will meet when we can. Everyone is happy with it.
What are you using?
 

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I just made two arrangements and meeting one girl for the first time this afternoon for a whole day of sex and I am paying $500 per meet which is more than normal but she’s a hot 19 year old Vietnamese girl. Another arrangement i set up is for a 19 year old Chinese girl for the same amount and a little less time spent together. Both are university girls and just looking for some money and fun. I met this 19 year old Filipino girl a few works ago and it was a great deal. We negotiated $300 per meet but instead we did in my car for $150 and she let me cum inside her. It was a lot of fun. Anyways all 3 are going to be ongoing and such and we will meet when we can. Everyone is happy with it.
I am at a loss for words...:jaw:
 

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I totally agree …..just as much as a SP wants to charge top dollar why can't we look for the best value?? The price is determined by the market. All I am saying is that is what I am willing to pay and looking to pay and if she doesn't like it I move on. I am no coercing or forcing anyone to that price. There's plenty of really nice down to earth girls on the website and those arrangements are made between to willing parties.
You're supposed to be playing the role of sugar daddy umm the whole point is you're supposed to be PROVIDING for her. Thats what daddies do. Thats why they call it a sugar DADDY, no?

I am curious about your other post...How did your agreed upon $300 meet with that young university student turn into a $150 car date?
 

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The reason why this gets to me is I'm surrounded by young ladies in most of classes. They're so ... kind and innocent. No life experience at that age.

Fuck, there's a pre-med student I know who highlights her notes with washable crayolas.
 
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sorry for the double post but just to clarify: I am not trying to shame workers who ask for less. I am trying to shame clients who take advantage of workers who don't know they could ask for more.
This bothers me too. I wish these young ladies had more guidance. I'm logging off now to go make some chocolate chip cookies.
 

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No one is forcing anyone to do anything. If you're not a part of the arrangement either as a financial incentive provider or receiver, you have no authority on what is going on. You have the right to negotiate your own rates just like other women are to do so themselves. Them lacking the prowess to negotiate better arrangements because they have no experience is their own being.

Being screwed on deals is part of life. Men or women who get what they want all their lives end up being naieve and entitled losers. Plenty of women make men take them out for free meals just like plenty of men try to score pussy on the cheap.
 

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No one is forcing anyone to do anything. If you're not a part of the arrangement either as a financial incentive provider or receiver, you have no authority on what is going on. You have the right to negotiate your own rates just like other women are to do so themselves. Them lacking the prowess to negotiate better arrangements because they have no experience is their own being.

Being screwed on deals is part of life. Men or women who get what they want all their lives end up being naieve and entitled losers. Plenty of women make men take them out for free meals just like plenty of men try to score pussy on the cheap.
I'm not trying to act as an authority, I'm merely stating an opinion.

I'll state another opinion from another perspective... If some of you guys are finding VFM gems who are truly comfortable with providing whatever for X$... fine, not my circus not my monkeys.

But some of this bragging should be kept to PM. Think of this...PERB is a public forum, there are vultures reading this thread, many of who are predatory and will purposely seek out naive ladies to take advantage of them and I can guarantee you these vultures will try to get anything and everything they possibly can at minimal (to no) cost. This will burn the gems straight out of the business.
 

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I'm not trying to act as an authority, I'm merely stating an opinion.

I'll state another opinion from another perspective... If some of you guys are finding VFM gems who are truly comfortable with providing whatever for X$... fine, not my circus not my monkeys.

But some of this bragging should be kept to PM. Think of this...there are vultures reading this thread, many of who are predatory and will purposely seek out naive ladies to take advantage of them and they will try to get anything and everything they possibly at minimal (to no) cost. This will burn the gems straight out of the business.
Many people get bankrupt investing in business. Many doctors kill their patients before becoming an attending or gaining tenure. Many soldiers wilL be killed before they make the rank of General.

Staying in the business of anything requires persistence and strength. If predatory men kept women out of sex trade, it's part of the business.

Those that survive become the gem, not those that were destined to quit.
 
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Now if there are men out there who did outright illegal, violent or exploitive things, that's a whole different issue.
 

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You're supposed to be playing the role of sugar daddy umm the whole point is you're supposed to be PROVIDING for her. Thats what daddies do. Thats why they call it a sugar DADDY, no?

I am curious about your other post...How did your agreed upon $300 meet with that young university student turn into a $150 car date?
$300 rate was for a meet of a 2-3 hours but we had agreed beforehand that we do a quickie for $150. Nothing was coerced or forced. We both had fun and still meet up.
 

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I should start by saying that I have never used/belonged to a sugar daddy site. Mostly because my financial situation does not allow for what I understand are higher rates than the 30 min rates I usually pay for SPs I find on this site.

Having said that, I don't believe you can compare what ladies charge per hour on a SP site like LL to "evening" rate a SB might charge. The reason being is that SBs, I strongly suspect, for the mot part do not see themselves as a SP. They join a SB/SD site because they enjoy sex, are sexually liberated, and think why not have an older boyfriend with money that can buy them gifts and take them on trips, etc. Clem mentioned earlier in this thread that she and her friends started into this industry as SBs. From my conversations with some young ladies in the company of other of their friends, it appears that being a SB has MUCH less stigma attached than being an SP. Therefore where SPs see this industry as purely a business (with the side benefit of lots of fantastic sex - I can only speak for my own experiences lol ) SBs see themselves more like having a rich (relative to their financial situation) boyfriend. And therefore spending 4 hours with their rich boyfriend that throws them $300 to $500 is a very good deal compared to doing the same with a poor boyfriend that spends $50 on dinner, if they are lucky, throws them no $$$ and still gets 4 hours of their time with sex thrown in.

Over time, of course, the majority of SBs come to realize that in fact it is a business and some eventually evolve to becoming a full blow(n) SP. With that evolution comes the realization that "time is money" and they move to an hourly rate from an "evening" rate.

Just my perception of the difference between SPs and SBs and therefore the difference between hourly rate and evening rate :)

JD
 

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I should start by saying that I have never used/belonged to a sugar daddy site. Mostly because my financial situation does not allow for what I understand are higher rates than the 30 min rates I usually pay for SPs I find on this site.

Having said that, I don't believe you can compare what ladies charge per hour on a SP site like LL to "evening" rate a SB might charge. The reason being is that SBs, I strongly suspect, for the mot part do not see themselves as a SP. They join a SB/SD site because they enjoy sex, are sexually liberated, and think why not have an older boyfriend with money that can buy them gifts and take them on trips, etc. Clem mentioned earlier in this thread that she and her friends started into this industry as SBs. From my conversations with some young ladies in the company of other of their friends, it appears that being a SB has MUCH less stigma attached than being an SP. Therefore where SPs see this industry as purely a business (with the side benefit of lots of fantastic sex - I can only speak for my own experiences lol ) SBs see themselves more like having a rich (relative to their financial situation) boyfriend. And therefore spending 4 hours with their rich boyfriend that throws them $300 to $500 is a very good deal compared to doing the same with a poor boyfriend that spends $50 on dinner, if they are lucky, throws them no $$$ and still gets 4 hours of their time with sex thrown in.

Over time, of course, the majority of SBs come to realize that in fact it is a business and some eventually evolve to becoming a full blow(n) SP. With that evolution comes the realization that "time is money" and they move to an hourly rate from an "evening" rate.

Just my perception of the difference between SPs and SBs and therefore the difference between hourly rate and evening rate :)

JD
You're spot on bro. This is the usual mentality of the women on the site. The amount of women aged from 19-23 is several magnitudes larger than the number of women of that same age range on LL.

Almost all of them are students living with their parents and just have free time. I've done my fair share of hunting on SA and it's more closer to an actual dating website than straight LL show up and bang.

There's still the coffee or dinner or drinks song and dance similar to regular dating but they're looking for some compensation for the sex. The rates definitely do change based on the dude. 50 or 60 year old guys get charged a hell of a lot more than guys in their late twenties or early thirties.

An example of this is a blonde I hang out with off the site, she asks for 300 every time we hang out, but when we hang out it's for several hours and we watch Netflix and bang. Almost like we're in a relationship minus the money. She tells me about her other SDs and most of them are older and she asks them to give her up to 800 depending on how they look etc lmao

Girls off SA have their place in my life (regular NSA sex) as well as girls off LL (minimal setup work). Girls I vanilla date definitely expect more time from me so in some circumstances id rather not put in the time...

Hit me up if u have SA questions, I have probably half a dozen friends in their early 30s who do this as opposed to regular SPs. So I have quite a bit of knowledge in this realm.
 

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To “thetruth “ I hope you forgot to say you wore a condom?
Otherwise what were you thinking? Not only for your self but for the young lady!
Yup, you just may become a daddy, leave out the sugar :(
& why would you even post that on here.
 
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