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anyone have any good ideas on this? I've been on SA for a few years on and off and I'll usually meet the girl 8-10 times each and then it usually just ends.

I usually only take them shopping and they accompany me to dinner and I pay for their time. I'm not too sure what I'm doing wrong. I usually wait till the third date to ask for any "pics" and they seem pretty happy. Im guessing they just find a richer guy? If it matters, most of these girls have been my age or a bit younger (24-28)
 

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I was a sugar baby on and off for 5 years before I started hourly. The average length of my sugar relationships was 4-8 months. My allowance was generally 2500 for one to two meets a week, and one trip every 2-3 months (obviously all my expenses were covered). That seemed to be industry standard.

Are you up front about what allowance you're offering? How many times per week you would like to see them? What your expectations are regarding texting/communication outside of appointments?

anyone have any good ideas on this? I've been on SA for a few years on and off and I'll usually meet the girl 8-10 times each and then it usually just ends.

I usually only take them shopping and they accompany me to dinner and I pay for their time. I'm not too sure what I'm doing wrong. I usually wait till the third date to ask for any "pics" and they seem pretty happy. Im guessing they just find a richer guy? If it matters, most of these girls have been my age or a bit younger (24-28)
 

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I was a sugar baby on and off for 5 years before I started hourly. The average length of my sugar relationships was 4-8 months. My allowance was generally 2500 for one to two meets a week, and one trip every 2-3 months (obviously all my expenses were covered). That seemed to be industry standard.

Are you up front about what allowance you're offering? How many times per week you would like to see them? What your expectations are regarding texting/communication outside of appointments?
yeah Im pretty upfront. Sometimes I can't reply to their texts because i'm at work so they think I'm ghosting them. But I always reply. Maybe I should start adding vacations, never done that
 

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yeah Im pretty upfront. Sometimes I can't reply to their texts because i'm at work so they think I'm ghosting them. But I always reply. Maybe I should start adding vacations, never done that
Are you just paying for their time? or are you also getting sex out of it??

I am pretty up front about things on Seeking even though the website frowns on negotiating pay per meets I have found a lot of girls are willing to do that and you just have to be patient and find them. I have a personal collection of girls that are willing to meet between $150-300 each time and then one special one that is willing to spend a "weekend" or like two full days with me for a reasonable amount. I find a lot of times that girls will ask for the moon but if you negotiate and counter they will come down in price.
 

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anyone have any good ideas on this? I've been on SA for a few years on and off and I'll usually meet the girl 8-10 times each and then it usually just ends.

I usually only take them shopping and they accompany me to dinner and I pay for their time. I'm not too sure what I'm doing wrong. I usually wait till the third date to ask for any "pics" and they seem pretty happy. Im guessing they just find a richer guy? If it matters, most of these girls have been my age or a bit younger (24-28)
Sounds about right, actually. I get pretty bored after a while so it's a good way to move on to new stock. They're not supposed to last long (Mind you I have one on-and-off for about 6 years now.)

I tend not to label SB/SD as "relationship". They're transactions. If you are calling them relationships, then you've got the wrong psyche working against you.
 

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Sounds about right, actually. I get pretty bored after a while so it's a good way to move on to new stock. They're not supposed to last long (Mind you I have one on-and-off for about 6 years now.)

I tend not to label SB/SD as "relationship". They're transactions. If you are calling them relationships, then you've got the wrong psyche working against you.
I disagree w the relationship thing. I’m hourly and I still have relationships with my clients. Especially in sugar, there’s an intimacy akin to a relationship. Yeah, you’re paying for it, but so what?
 

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I don’t mind when men poon, but I wouldn’t co-exist in a man’s life alongside an SB. If he’s paying for that level of intimacy from some else, there’s no reason for me to be around. It would hurt me too much.

An arranged relationship for a fee is still a type of a relationship IMO
 

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Are you just paying for their time? or are you also getting sex out of it??

I am pretty up front about things on Seeking even though the website frowns on negotiating pay per meets I have found a lot of girls are willing to do that and you just have to be patient and find them. I have a personal collection of girls that are willing to meet between $150-300 each time and then one special one that is willing to spend a "weekend" or like two full days with me for a reasonable amount. I find a lot of times that girls will ask for the moon but if you negotiate and counter they will come down in price.
just a heads up that if you're paying someone $300 for a night that includes intimacy, you're potentially taking advantage of them. I was definitely taken advantage of by SDs who knew the industry rate for someone like me was $300/h and they paid me $400 for a whole night: dinner, drinks, entertainment, and then time at their hotel. make sure you're not underpaying.

sugar is dressed up as *better* or *classier* than hourly but it's exactly the fucking same...if not more difficult, because of the ongoing emotional labour from the SB.
 

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I disagree w the relationship thing. I’m hourly and I still have relationships with my clients. Especially in sugar, there’s an intimacy akin to a relationship. Yeah, you’re paying for it, but so what?
I see you feel that interactions between individuals are fundamentally emotional and humane. I also see that you measure relationships beyond the monetary transactions with other individuals.

The needs for individuals vary for what want out of sugaring someone. Some are looking for pseudo-relationships whereby they seek someone to keep them company, bolster their confidence / social standing, and sex. In my case, if I sugar someone, I am looking for no-strings attached and consistent sexual fantasy fulfilment.

As a matter of personal opinion, my relationships (family, friend and romance) are cultivated over time, based on mutual respect and understanding. If I can't call that person without having to pay them to drive me to a hospital or have dinner with me, that's not a relationship. That's a leveraged acquaintance.

I preclude anything built on known or unknown expectations and demands as being relationships. They're superfluous transactions - one's money for another's time. There's nothing wrong with it.
 

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I see you feel that interactions between individuals are fundamentally emotional and humane. I also see that you measure relationships beyond the monetary transactions with other individuals.

The needs for individuals vary for what want out of sugaring someone. Some are looking for pseudo-relationships whereby they seek someone to keep them company, bolster their confidence / social standing, and sex. In my case, if I sugar someone, I am looking for no-strings attached and consistent sexual fantasy fulfilment.

As a matter of personal opinion, my relationships (family, friend and romance) are cultivated over time, based on mutual respect and understanding. If I can't call that person without having to pay them to drive me to a hospital or have dinner with me, that's not a relationship. That's a leveraged acquaintance.

I preclude anything built on known or unknown expectations and demands as being relationships. They're superfluous transactions - one's money for another's time. There's nothing wrong with it.
re·la·tion·ship
/rəˈlāSH(ə)nˌSHip/
noun
the way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected.
"the study will assess the relationship between unemployment and political attitudes"
synonyms: connection, relation, association, link, correlation, correspondence, parallel, tie-in, tie-up, alliance, bond, interrelation, interconnection; interdependence of
"the relationship between diet and diabetes"

I have a relationship with my lash tech and the guy who works at my tanning salon. ALL relationships have a give and take, whether it's money, pleasantries, or a marriage contract. A transaction is done with someone you have a relationship with.
 

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re·la·tion·ship
/rəˈlāSH(ə)nˌSHip/
noun
the way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected.
"the study will assess the relationship between unemployment and political attitudes"
synonyms: connection, relation, association, link, correlation, correspondence, parallel, tie-in, tie-up, alliance, bond, interrelation, interconnection; interdependence of
"the relationship between diet and diabetes"

I have a relationship with my lash tech and the guy who works at my tanning salon. ALL relationships have a give and take, whether it's money, pleasantries, or a marriage contract. A transaction is done with someone you have a relationship with.
There's no need to argue over personal interpretation of semantics.
 

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anyways PSA, what you have with an SB is most certainly a relationship. you can learn and grow and laugh and enjoy life with them, even fall for them a bit, that's fine as long as you also acknowledge the temporary nature of the arrangement. I definitely had relationships with my SDs and they were fulfilling and wonderful. thanks for coming to my ted talk.
 

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just a heads up that if you're paying someone $300 for a night that includes intimacy, you're potentially taking advantage of them. I was definitely taken advantage of by SDs who knew the industry rate for someone like me was $300/h and they paid me $400 for a whole night: dinner, drinks, entertainment, and then time at their hotel. make sure you're not underpaying.

sugar is dressed up as *better* or *classier* than hourly but it's exactly the fucking same...if not more difficult, because of the ongoing emotional labour from the SB.
Agreed. Ive never been an SB, but I'm well aware of the extent of emotional care taking men require, some a bit more than others

And I've met several new to the industry ladies who started in the sugar realm who had stories of how they were taken full advantage of men pretending to be SDs. And I believe it. I've seen past Seeking Arrangement threads on here devolve into Econo-pooning 101.
 

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Agreed. Ive never been an SB, but I'm well aware of the extent of emotional care taking men require, some a bit more than others

And I've met several new to the industry ladies who started in the sugar realm who had stories of how they were taken full advantage of men pretending to be SDs. And I believe it. I've seen past Seeking Arrangement threads on here devolve into Econo-pooning 101.
yeah I've literally held drunk millionaires while they cried alone in their mansions. not an easy task as someone who once had to steal to eat.
 

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Reading through the thread I have to agree about the relationship part. Whether it's a SB, escort, or other there is a relationship that exists. They might be defined by different parameters than a marriage, coworker, or family relationship but it is still a relationship. Even business transactions require a relationship by their very nature.
As for the fees Re: being taken advantage of; I have to disagree. That statement almost seems like a double standard. On the one hand we tell the pooners going rate is say $300 hr. If you think it's too much or you can't afford it don't poon. On the other hand if you find a lady willing to take $200 instead of $300 the pooner is taking advantage of her? I don't think so.
I've done the SB thing a few times over the years. What have I paid for an overnight or weekend? It's varied depending on the lady and circumstances. I can tell you the lowest I've paid for a full weekend from Friday night to Sunday night is $0.00. That's right nothing. Did she think I took advantage of her? Not at all. Paid for flights, hotel, dinner, shows, etc.. She had a great time. We both had a great time.
I find it funny when people say its about more than the money but then always fall back on the issue of money.
 

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As for the fees Re: being taken advantage of; I have to disagree. That statement almost seems like a double standard. On the one hand we tell the pooners going rate is say $300 hr. If you think it's too much or you can't afford it don't poon. On the other hand if you find a lady willing to take $200 instead of $300 the pooner is taking advantage of her? I don't think so.
I've done the SB thing a few times over the years. What have I paid for an overnight or weekend? It's varied depending on the lady and circumstances. I can tell you the lowest I've paid for a full weekend from Friday night to Sunday night is $0.00. That's right nothing. Did she think I took advantage of her? Not at all. Paid for flights, hotel, dinner, shows, etc.. She had a great time. We both had a great time.
I find it funny when people say its about more than the money but then always fall back on the issue of money.
I agree. People are only entitled to the amount of money for which they ask and negotiate. They're never entitled to the amount for which they think they deserve.
 

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Reading through the thread I have to agree about the relationship part. Whether it's a SB, escort, or other there is a relationship that exists. They might be defined by different parameters than a marriage, coworker, or family relationship but it is still a relationship. Even business transactions require a relationship by their very nature.
As for the fees Re: being taken advantage of; I have to disagree. That statement almost seems like a double standard. On the one hand we tell the pooners going rate is say $300 hr. If you think it's too much or you can't afford it don't poon. On the other hand if you find a lady willing to take $200 instead of $300 the pooner is taking advantage of her? I don't think so.
I've done the SB thing a few times over the years. What have I paid for an overnight or weekend? It's varied depending on the lady and circumstances. I can tell you the lowest I've paid for a full weekend from Friday night to Sunday night is $0.00. That's right nothing. Did she think I took advantage of her? Not at all. Paid for flights, hotel, dinner, shows, etc.. She had a great time. We both had a great time.
I find it funny when people say its about more than the money but then always fall back on the issue of money.
it's definitely about more than money. it's also partly about trust. when you work in a criminalized industry, it's hard to access information. I had NO IDEA I could ask for more, and if I had known (if someone had told me, which many men could have) I would have been. I was definitely taken advantage of, also by men who would say things like "well lots of women are offering me a $300 date so I'm actually being generous" and other such bullshit. just be careful and kind.
 

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sorry for the double post but just to clarify: I am not trying to shame workers who ask for less. I am trying to shame clients who take advantage of workers who don't know they could ask for more.
 
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