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Semi

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When I first started in the hobby, we had newspaper ads without any photos. Coming from that to this just seems, I'm not sure how to put it into words. But this comes across as an attempt at forcing them to comply with your standard of proof prior to booking. I've had great appointments with women who had given me zero photos and I've had seriously disappointing meetings with "proven" board favorites. If I were on the receiving end of these texts, I'd probably tell the guy to go eff himself.
 

bobbiz

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When I first started in the hobby, we had newspaper ads without any photos. Coming from that to this just seems, I'm not sure how to put it into words. But this comes across as an attempt at forcing them to comply with your standard of proof prior to booking. I've had great appointments with women who had given me zero photos and I've had seriously disappointing meetings with "proven" board favorites. If I were on the receiving end of these texts, I'd probably tell the guy to go eff himself.
I also started hobbying back in the picture-less news paper ads. These days are far behind us now. The world we currently live in as evolved. We now live in the internet, digital, and social media era.

The guidance is made available to those who wish to use it or parts of it.

How a respectful Hobbyist wish to operate should be respected by others. Every Hobbyists are different and entitled to be.

This Hobby is more gray than black and white. Hobbyists should listen at any source of information and gather what they want base on what fits them the best.

Happy hobbying and stay safe :)
 
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Semi

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You started hobbying over 20 years ago, but you still got taken 41 times since 2016?
 

Catscan

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I support this guide. It is very helpful considering the fakes are now rampant in Winnipeg. However I think people should obviously pick the important points and not copy and paste quotes
 

Semi

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No. The 41 have been successful, thank you for the feedback, I will clarify in the document.
That still doesn't make sense. If you had 41 successful interactions why would you need to make a guide like this? How many did you get taken on ?
 

bobbiz

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That still doesn't make sense. If you had 41 successful interactions why would you need to make a guide like this? How many did you get taken on ?
Originally I was focused on methods to ID the fakers. Eventually I realized that it was a lost cause because there will always be new ones popping up. I decided to focus on cutting the fakers' income by trying to help out guys (educate) that support them financially. This is the reason for creating the guidance.
 

bobbiz

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Since the last post, the guidance has been revised. Originally the scope of the guidance ended at when the booking was made, but due to requests and contributions from board members, the scope has grown.

Added:
- hyperlinked table of content
- "before starting the session" section
- "writing your review" section

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tLf9Ka6dI6Tb4XLFr18cuPruHrMyUZwxC6Q1VsOMBSk/edit#

Recommendations to improve the guidance are welcomed :)
 

jackboss

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Good post. Regarding hobbying and staying safe-in case got caught by a cop, is remaining silence the best bet?
 

bobbiz

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Good post. Regarding hobbying and staying safe-in case got caught by a cop, is remaining silence the best bet?
In my all hobbying "career", I've never heard of any clients being arrested by police (excluding human trafficking and underage of course). I can't answer that question. Maybe someone else can provide their perspective? Personally, cops are the last thing on my mind when I see an escort. I'll guess that you're new at this game? I remember being a little paranoid about it years ago, but I guess I'm knob to it now lol. Basically I wouldn't worry about that would be my advise to you.
 

Uncled

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Good post. Regarding hobbying and staying safe-in case got caught by a cop, is remaining silence the best bet?
In my opinion your best hope of beating the criminal charges if caught in this situation is to shut your damn mouth. Give the police your name and show your ID, but tell them you refuse to answer any more questions until you talk to a lawyer. Don't lie or try to justify your actions. Be polite and don't be confrontational.
 

leprelsd

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The thing about cops is that you need to request a sexual service be provided in exchange for cash for them to charge you. So that means if you aren't sure about a provider you shouldn't ask about specific services. I.e. if you ask to spend a half hour with them, show up and only request a specific service after your both naked and touching. In a sting the cops don't pop out until you've told the lady what specific sexual service you're paying for and i don't believe the lady will ever get naked and allow mutual touching
 

bobbiz

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Bumping in the name of exposure.

LINK: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tLf9Ka6dI6Tb4XLFr18cuPruHrMyUZwxC6Q1VsOMBSk/edit#

I've also revised the "Texting made VERY simple" section to these:

Text #1: "Hello [insert escort’s name], how are you? I saw your ad and I’d be interested in seeing you. Can I have your rates, included services, restrictions, and location please?”

Text #2: I just want to confirm that you are really the woman in the pictures of your ad? Or are you posting pictures you look similar to? I ask because many escorts post pictures of other women. Btw I would understand and respect if you didn't want to put your own pictures online for privacy reasons.

Text #3: Do you have an established social media or website that you use for work?
Or do you have a link to a review of yourself on an escort review board/forum?
Or do you have a full body proof picture of yourself with your phone # on a paper like many escorts have nowadays?
Sorry to ask but I'm sure you know that most ads on leolist are dishonest, or worse ��

Text #4: Would you be understanding and accommodating to send me just ONE picture showing your FULL frontal body while doing this hand gesture: [insert specific hand emoji] Please? This would provide me reassurance that you are really this amazing looking �� Showing your face and nudity is up to you, but the full body and hand gesture is KEY.

Text#3 allows for the escort to tell you if she's not just a random ad on LL which could save both parties time and aggravation. Of course the guy/client should have read the ad properly and at least Google her phone number first to see if any hints are available.
 

jgg

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Bumping in the name of exposure.

LINK: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tLf9Ka6dI6Tb4XLFr18cuPruHrMyUZwxC6Q1VsOMBSk/edit#

I've also revised the "Texting made VERY simple" section to these:

Text #1: "Hello [insert escort’s name], how are you? I saw your ad and I’d be interested in seeing you. Can I have your rates, included services, restrictions, and location please?”

Text #2: I just want to confirm that you are really the woman in the pictures of your ad? Or are you posting pictures you look similar to? I ask because many escorts post pictures of other women. Btw I would understand and respect if you didn't want to put your own pictures online for privacy reasons.

Text #3: Do you have an established social media or website that you use for work?
Or do you have a link to a review of yourself on an escort review board/forum?
Or do you have a full body proof picture of yourself with your phone # on a paper like many escorts have nowadays?
Sorry to ask but I'm sure you know that most ads on leolist are dishonest, or worse ��

Text #4: Would you be understanding and accommodating to send me just ONE picture showing your FULL frontal body while doing this hand gesture: [insert specific hand emoji] Please? This would provide me reassurance that you are really this amazing looking �� Showing your face and nudity is up to you, but the full body and hand gesture is KEY.

Text#3 allows for the escort to tell you if she's not just a random ad on LL which could save both parties time and aggravation. Of course the guy/client should have read the ad properly and at least Google her phone number first to see if any hints are available.
Does this really work for you??? Most reputable ladies would ditch you at #1 for not telling them a little about you.
 

Blowy82

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When I first started out. There was no quick guide on here about how to do this the most effective way. I hadn’t made a profile on here until after the first year of enduring disappointment and complete rip offs. As well as getting the extreme pleasure of meeting some of the most wonderful and beautiful smart sexy elegant successful women there are. What they do is not to be taken lightly or for them to be treated like a object for purchase. There’s a extremely low % of women that do engage in this line of work for major reasons. That being said. Treating someone with respect and kindness doesn’t always go the way one would think. But always doing so weather ur sure it’s a fake add or u do have a bad visit. Don’t let that effect the respect u show the next lady u initiate contact with. Guides are just that. Guides. Take what u think a woman would like best and go with that. And it’s alwsys cheaper to learn from others mistakes. This site helps with that. One thing I personally never do now. If looking at seeing a lady that’s not highly reputable. Is after I’ve asked for a confirmation pic that I always recommend never has nudity out of respect. If not given one I politely thank them for their time for txting me back and say I cannot see them without that for my safety. Yes guys do get robbed. Setting some rules for urself and learning the responses u get from reputable lady’s will help pick out the fakes and con artists. Good luck guys.
 

bobbiz

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Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tLf9Ka6dI6Tb4XLFr18cuPruHrMyUZwxC6Q1VsOMBSk/edit#

Does this really work for you??? Most reputable ladies would ditch you at #1 for not telling them a little about you.
This works EXCEPTIONALLY well for me. This guidance is NOT geared for reputable ladies. Did you read the guidance? {LINK** Although the guidance will provide tips to determine if the lady is reputable, and if that's the case, then no proof is required.

The guidance aims at directing the money flow away from the fakers, and instead towards the reputable ladies or the newcomer that are willing to provide some form of reassurance that they are NOT just another random faker on LL.

When I first started out. There was no quick guide on here about how to do this the most effective way. I hadn’t made a profile on here until after the first year of enduring disappointment and complete rip offs. As well as getting the extreme pleasure of meeting some of the most wonderful and beautiful smart sexy elegant successful women there are. What they do is not to be taken lightly or for them to be treated like a object for purchase. There’s a extremely low % of women that do engage in this line of work for major reasons. That being said. Treating someone with respect and kindness doesn’t always go the way one would think. But always doing so weather ur sure it’s a fake add or u do have a bad visit. Don’t let that effect the respect u show the next lady u initiate contact with. Guides are just that. Guides. Take what u think a woman would like best and go with that. And it’s alwsys cheaper to learn from others mistakes. This site helps with that. One thing I personally never do now. If looking at seeing a lady that’s not highly reputable. Is after I’ve asked for a confirmation pic that I always recommend never has nudity out of respect. If not given one I politely thank them for their time for txting me back and say I cannot see them without that for my safety. Yes guys do get robbed. Setting some rules for urself and learning the responses u get from reputable lady’s will help pick out the fakes and con artists. Good luck guys.
VERY nice post Blowy! I can't disagree with anything :)
 
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