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    Roger Stone Arrest

    Another one of Donald Trump's cronies - Roger Stone, was arrested Friday, live on CNN.

    Anyone else wondering why they needed a troup of armour-clad police with high-powered automatic weapons and grenades on their belts to take in a 76-yeal old guy accused of lying?

    He was there with his wife, and nobody else, but it looked like they were entering a compound holding Pablo Escobar, and a gang of mobsters.

    I was always very anti-Trump, but I'm starting to think maybe he has a point about the deep state. All of the arrests have been for unrelated things to the Russia collusion investigation - but most related to the questioning around it, and bankrupting anyone who might try to fight the charges. The weight of the state is imposssible to fight if they want to find something - anything on you.

    Also, similar accusations made against Democrat politicians, or ones alligned with them, seem to be ignored. I mean - is there anyone that has appeared before congress who hasn't lied?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cock Throppled View Post
    ...is there anyone that has appeared before congress who hasn't lied?
    If their lips are moving...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cock Throppled View Post
    Anyone else wondering why they needed a troup of armour-clad police with high-powered automatic weapons and grenades on their belts to take in a 76-yeal old guy accused of lying?
    He made a lot of violent threats against people, he threatened to kill people's pets, and in the USA it has to be assumed everyone has guns.
    Police are killed on what look like safe calls.
    The overwhelming force ensures a quick resolution.
    You say only him and his wife were there but the cops don't know that. They only know they are going into a dangerous situation against a guy who has made many violent threats and is probably armed. Ever go into a pawn shop in Florida? Guns guns guns.

    Anyone who threatens to kill someone's dog if they testify, fuck him too bad the FBI didn’t shoot him.
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    The FBI doing a take-down is totally different from a local police force arresting someone. They analyze all potential threats to themselves ahead of time and act accordingly. And they do have access to all potential possibilities.

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    Too intense if you ask me, looked like they were raiding an organized crime house or home of an armed terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwoody View Post
    He made a lot of violent threats against people, he threatened to kill people's pets, and in the USA it has to be assumed everyone has guns.
    Police are killed on what look like safe calls.
    The overwhelming force ensures a quick resolution.
    You say only him and his wife were there but the cops don't know that. They only know they are going into a dangerous situation against a guy who has made many violent threats and is probably armed. Ever go into a pawn shop in Florida? Guns guns guns.

    Anyone who threatens to kill someone's dog if they testify, fuck him too bad the FBI didn’t shoot him.
    I have to agree that is risk management for the job at hand.

    Maybe the fact they haven't been paid in a month might bring
    a little more attitude than usual.

    No harm no foul in my eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cock Throppled View Post


    I was always very anti-Trump, but I'm starting to think maybe he has a point about the deep state. All of the arrests have been for unrelated things to the Russia collusion investigation - but most related to the questioning around it, and bankrupting anyone who might try to fight the charges.
    Unrelated to the Russian Collusion investigations?

    Not exactly collusion related plea bargains or sentences but it's for certain now FBI are getting close with disclosure of #45's business dealings for a property in Moscow before and during the election. The list below (Rollingstone Jan 24, 2019) has many of his inner circle pleading guilty and/or cooperating with the FBI. The majority of these are specifically about the Trump campaign's contacting Russian business, Putin's inner circle and their diplomatic core.

    October 5th, 2017
    Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his communications with Kremlin-linked professor Joseph Mifsud, who told him the Russians had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. Papadopoulos served 12 days in prison for the charge this past fall.

    October 30th, 2017
    Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates were indicted on 12 counts for a series of alleged crimes related to their lobbying for a pro-Russia government in Ukraine. Charges included acting as unregistered agents of the Ukraine, laundering millions of dollars through offshore accounts and conspiracy against the United States. Gates later pleaded guilty and testified against Manafort, his former mentor. In August, after a trial, Manafort was found guilty of fraud charges unrelated to the campaign and later pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to obstruct justice, entering a cooperation agreement with the special counsel. But in November Mueller’s office accused Manafort of violating the deal by lying repeatedly. Manafort’s tentative sentencing date is March 5th.

    December 1st, 2017
    National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contact with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Flynn’s plea began his “substantial” cooperation with the special counselor’s office, which recommended in December 2018 that he serve little to no jail time (the federal judge in charge of sentencing seemed unpersuaded). Flynn’s sentencing was delayed in December and may not take place until the fall.

    February 12th, 2018
    Twenty-eight-year-old California computer enthusiast Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to identity fraud in connection with the Russian election interference. Pinedo had for years illegally created bank accounts using stolen identities and sold them to buyers, including to Russians who used stolen identities on social media to disrupt the 2016 U.S. election. Pinedo was sentenced to six months in prison.

    February 16th, 2018
    Thirteen Russian nationals and three businesses, including the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency, were charged with conspiracy to defraud the U.S. They were accused of stealing U.S. citizen’s identities, sowing discord via fake posts on social media and seeking to subvert the 2016 election to benefit the Trump campaign.

    February 16th, 2018
    Lawyer Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch national, pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contact with Trump campaign associate Rick Gates as well as about his work for the Ukrainian government. He served a 30-day prison sentence last May.

    May 22nd, 2018
    Gene “Taxi King” Freidman, who owned a fleet of New York City taxicabs in partnership with Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, reached a plea deal for criminal tax fraud with the New York attorney general’s office and reportedly agreed to cooperate in government prosecutions against Cohen.

    June 8th, 2018
    Longtime Manafort business partner Konstantin Kilimnik, who has alleged ties to Russian intelligence, was charged, along with Manafort, for conspiracy and obstruction of justice after allegedly trying to persuade witnesses to lie in testimony. Kilimnik is reportedly based in Russia and not expected to turn up in a U.S. court any time soon.

    July 13th, 2018
    Twelve Russian intelligence officers were charged with computer crimes and identity theft for the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign emails. The indictment details an alleged plan by the Russian government to cause chaos and sabotage the Clinton campaign in the months leading up to the election.

    August 21st, 2018
    Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to tax fraud, bank fraud and campaign finance violations, and asserted the illegal payments made to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal — to silence them on their alleged affairs with Trump — were directed by Trump himself, implicating the president in a federal crime.

    August 31st, 2018
    Charged by the U.S. Attorney’s office in D.C., lawyer W. Samuel Patten pleaded guilty to acting as an unregistered foreign agent while working for a Ukrainian politician and agreed to cooperate with the special counsel. He also admitted to illegally funneling Ukrainian money into Trump’s inaugural committee.

    November 29th, 2018
    Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the Trump organization’s pursuit of a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 campaign. (BuzzFeed reported Cohen lied at the explicit request of Trump but the special counsel’s office has strongly refuted that reporting.) In December, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for campaign finance violations, tax evasion and lying to Congress.

    January 25th, 2019
    Former Trump adviser Roger Stone was indicted over his dealings with WikiLeaks, which published the trove of Democratic emails stolen by the Russians during the election. Stone was charged with seven counts, including witness tampering, making false statements and obstruction of an official proceeding.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...tments-783405/


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    This raid is being retold and reinvented by Trump and his idiot fans.
    Instead of a slimy piece of shit who made threats against potential witnesses getting arrested, it is now a poor old man being harassed by the Gestapo.

    CNN reporters were staking out the house because many believed he would be arrested early Friday. Lots of tweets from political analysts to that effect after Thursday Grand Jury hearing. There were probably stakeouts by various organisations at several residences. Trump fans (who love to see themselves as victims of mainstream media) insist instead that CNN was tipped off.
    CNN footage show and reporters say about a dozen agents involved. Trump fans were saying 16 in four SUV's, then 24, then 29.
    The original video doesn't look like a mob. More agents would come later for thorough search but original team of 12 is plausible.
    Stone cries about being broke and gets pity from MAGA nuts. He owns mansion in Florida and condo in NYC, hmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbadboy View Post
    Unrelated to the Russian Collusion investigations?
    Trump likes whining about how much the Mueller investigation is costing taxpayers.
    It is actually seizing so many assets it is making money.
    He likes saying it is getting no results, but look at all you posted.
    I am sure there are more you left out, eg the Russian gun lobbyist who channeled Russian money through the NRA to Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westwoody View Post
    Trump likes whining about how much the Mueller investigation is costing taxpayers.
    It is actually seizing so many assets it is making money.
    He likes saying it is getting no results, but look at all you posted.
    I am sure there are more you left out, eg the Russian gun lobbyist who channeled Russian money through the NRA to Trump.
    Those are only the indictments and sentences so far. The Russian operative's indictment will happen soon according to fake news


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    Quote Originally Posted by nwtl View Post
    Too intense if you ask me, looked like they were raiding an organized crime house or home of an armed terrorist.
    An organized crime house, isn't that exactly what they were raiding.

    Then people talking about cnn being tipped off, his arrest has been predicted for the past week. Who exactly didn't know this was coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwoody View Post
    He made a lot of violent threats against people, he threatened to kill people's pets, and in the USA it has to be assumed everyone has guns.
    Police are killed on what look like safe calls.
    The overwhelming force ensures a quick resolution.
    You say only him and his wife were there but the cops don't know that. They only know they are going into a dangerous situation against a guy who has made many violent threats and is probably armed. Ever go into a pawn shop in Florida? Guns guns guns.

    Anyone who threatens to kill someone's dog if they testify, fuck him too bad the FBI didn’t shoot him.
    I agree 100%! People like him should be treated the way he deserved... just like his boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbadboy View Post
    Unrelated to the Russian Collusion investigations?

    Not exactly collusion related plea bargains or sentences but it's for certain now FBI are getting close with disclosure of #45's business dealings for a property in Moscow before and during the election. The list below (Rollingstone Jan 24, 2019) has many of his inner circle pleading guilty and/or cooperating with the FBI. The majority of these are specifically about the Trump campaign's contacting Russian business, Putin's inner circle and their diplomatic core.

    October 5th, 2017
    Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his communications with Kremlin-linked professor Joseph Mifsud, who told him the Russians had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. Papadopoulos served 12 days in prison for the charge this past fall.

    October 30th, 2017
    Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates were indicted on 12 counts for a series of alleged crimes related to their lobbying for a pro-Russia government in Ukraine. Charges included acting as unregistered agents of the Ukraine, laundering millions of dollars through offshore accounts and conspiracy against the United States. Gates later pleaded guilty and testified against Manafort, his former mentor. In August, after a trial, Manafort was found guilty of fraud charges unrelated to the campaign and later pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to obstruct justice, entering a cooperation agreement with the special counsel. But in November Mueller’s office accused Manafort of violating the deal by lying repeatedly. Manafort’s tentative sentencing date is March 5th.

    December 1st, 2017
    National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contact with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Flynn’s plea began his “substantial” cooperation with the special counselor’s office, which recommended in December 2018 that he serve little to no jail time (the federal judge in charge of sentencing seemed unpersuaded). Flynn’s sentencing was delayed in December and may not take place until the fall.

    February 12th, 2018
    Twenty-eight-year-old California computer enthusiast Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to identity fraud in connection with the Russian election interference. Pinedo had for years illegally created bank accounts using stolen identities and sold them to buyers, including to Russians who used stolen identities on social media to disrupt the 2016 U.S. election. Pinedo was sentenced to six months in prison.

    February 16th, 2018
    Thirteen Russian nationals and three businesses, including the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency, were charged with conspiracy to defraud the U.S. They were accused of stealing U.S. citizen’s identities, sowing discord via fake posts on social media and seeking to subvert the 2016 election to benefit the Trump campaign.

    February 16th, 2018
    Lawyer Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch national, pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contact with Trump campaign associate Rick Gates as well as about his work for the Ukrainian government. He served a 30-day prison sentence last May.

    May 22nd, 2018
    Gene “Taxi King” Freidman, who owned a fleet of New York City taxicabs in partnership with Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, reached a plea deal for criminal tax fraud with the New York attorney general’s office and reportedly agreed to cooperate in government prosecutions against Cohen.

    June 8th, 2018
    Longtime Manafort business partner Konstantin Kilimnik, who has alleged ties to Russian intelligence, was charged, along with Manafort, for conspiracy and obstruction of justice after allegedly trying to persuade witnesses to lie in testimony. Kilimnik is reportedly based in Russia and not expected to turn up in a U.S. court any time soon.

    July 13th, 2018
    Twelve Russian intelligence officers were charged with computer crimes and identity theft for the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign emails. The indictment details an alleged plan by the Russian government to cause chaos and sabotage the Clinton campaign in the months leading up to the election.

    August 21st, 2018
    Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to tax fraud, bank fraud and campaign finance violations, and asserted the illegal payments made to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal — to silence them on their alleged affairs with Trump — were directed by Trump himself, implicating the president in a federal crime.

    August 31st, 2018
    Charged by the U.S. Attorney’s office in D.C., lawyer W. Samuel Patten pleaded guilty to acting as an unregistered foreign agent while working for a Ukrainian politician and agreed to cooperate with the special counsel. He also admitted to illegally funneling Ukrainian money into Trump’s inaugural committee.

    November 29th, 2018
    Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the Trump organization’s pursuit of a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 campaign. (BuzzFeed reported Cohen lied at the explicit request of Trump but the special counsel’s office has strongly refuted that reporting.) In December, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for campaign finance violations, tax evasion and lying to Congress.

    January 25th, 2019
    Former Trump adviser Roger Stone was indicted over his dealings with WikiLeaks, which published the trove of Democratic emails stolen by the Russians during the election. Stone was charged with seven counts, including witness tampering, making false statements and obstruction of an official proceeding.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...tments-783405/
    An impressive list. The one missing element? There isn't a single charge that relates to Colluding with Russia in the 2016 election, except for Pinedo, who had nothing to do with Trump or the campaign. The charges against the 12 Russian agents mention nothing about the Trump campaign, and the charges are pointless, because they will never enter the US. They might as well charge Putin, or a Christmas tree for what it will achieve. Most relate to things people did well before the election, or involve taxes or lying in testimony.
    And does anyone really believe looking for dirt on politcal foes is a crime? Who commissioned the Steele report? Entire staffs are dedicated to finding dirt on candidates in every election from school boards on up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cock Throppled View Post
    An impressive list. The one missing element? There isn't a single charge that relates to Colluding with Russia in the 2016 election, except for Pinedo, who had nothing to do with Trump or the campaign. The charges against the 12 Russian agents mention nothing about the Trump campaign, and the charges are pointless, because they will never enter the US. They might as well charge Putin, or a Christmas tree for what it will achieve. Most relate to things people did well before the election, or involve taxes or lying in testimony.
    And does anyone really believe looking for dirt on politcal foes is a crime? Who commissioned the Steele report? Entire staffs are dedicated to finding dirt on candidates in every election from school boards on up.
    This reads like All the Presidents Men.

    Papadopoulos, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Kilimnik (alleged Russian Intelligence officer) etc etc. All connected with the campaign, all connected with Russia and also got the Republican Party to change its support of Ukraine to a more Russian positive view of Ukraine.

    Let's revisit this list as the rest of the indictments are handed down. You have to admit with all the campaign personnel working directly with the Russians that it's only a matter of time that all the dots get connected.

    Sure there are dirty tricks pulled by both sides, albeit the Republicans are usually the ones caught red handed.

    The Democrats had a high level of certainty that #45 was dirty, hence getting a knowledgable former MI-6 operative to write the report. They certainly weren't going to go to the FBI or CIA before they had any quality information.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UhOh View Post
    An organized crime house, isn't that exactly what they were raiding.

    Then people talking about cnn being tipped off, his arrest has been predicted for the past week. Who exactly didn't know this was coming.
    Not really what I was pointing out or what I refer to as "organized crime house". Maybe you watch too much of that CNN and thinking Stone was sitting in 'the club house' with 3 armed mercenaries.

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