CFO of Huawei arrest at VIA

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From my perspective, this seems to be a very provocative act on the part of Canadian authorities. Provoking the wrath of a key trade partner seems to make little sense. I believe she was transiting to the US. Why could she not have been arrested there? Huawei, mainly due to their sponsorship of Hockey Night in Canada, are now a household name here. Either there is more to this than meets the eye, or there has been an egregious bureaucratic blunder. Any thoughts?
 

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I believe she was transiting to the US. Why could she not have been arrested there?
She was transferring to a flight to Mexico, not the USA.

Are you suggesting that Huawei's hockey sponsorship excuses corporate espionage?
Huawei is under scrutiny worldwide for several reasons. They are suspected of technology transfer to Iran, for one. As CFO she is well aware of this.
China portrays her as a victim. Meanwhile China "disappears" thousands of its own citizens, even Interpol executives and movie stars.
Don't believe the Chinese government spin.
 

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Think Speed.... 3G, 4G, and 5G. The amount of information at 5G is alot. If you think having your information on facebook, twitter, instagram is bad, most of those are accessed through your phone. The chances of the Chinese government having access to your phone through Huawei is just as good as the US government having access to your information on iphone, samsung, etc.
Is big brother watching; he sure is, after 9-11 (maybe even before that). Americans don't like it when they get caught with their pants around their ankles....

The US says that Huawei has a company that did dealings with Iran. It has something to do with American Banks.
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The arrest of of Chinese Citizen puts pressure on the trade negotiations of US/China.

Why Canada? Who knows?
 

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From my perspective, this seems to be a very provocative act on the part of Canadian authorities. Provoking the wrath of a key trade partner seems to make little sense. I believe she was transiting to the US. Why could she not have been arrested there? Huawei, mainly due to their sponsorship of Hockey Night in Canada, are now a household name here. Either there is more to this than meets the eye, or there has been an egregious bureaucratic blunder. Any thoughts?
From CBC:

The arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou may inflame diplomatic and trade tensions with China, but Canada's extradition treaty with the United States left it with no choice but to detain her, says a legal expert.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhou-china-summons-canadian-ambassador-1.4938171
 

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From my perspective, this seems to be a very provocative act on the part of Canadian authorities. Provoking the wrath of a key trade partner seems to make little sense.
Are you saying that Canada can forego or dismiss our treaties and agreements with partners and allies for convenience. It's not how the rule of law function as I recall.

Not that you could not come up with example of situations that our or many governments have decided to turn a blind eye or simply disregarded treaties and agreements.

But PET junior would be better to be more vocal about why he has taken this action as he needs to put the blame squarely on the US as the rule of law seems to be a strange concept in China still to this day .
 

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Absolutely hilarious seeing the Chinese twitter bots going nuts about human rights!
 

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Absolutely hilarious seeing the Chinese twitter bots going nuts about human rights!
No kidding.....I was scratching my head on those comments.....
 

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Are you saying that Canada can forego or dismiss our treaties and agreements with partners and allies for convenience. It's not how the rule of law function as I recall.

Not that you could not come up with example of situations that our or many governments have decided to turn a blind eye or simply disregarded treaties and agreements.

But PET junior would be better to be more vocal about why he has taken this action as he needs to put the blame squarely on the US as the rule of law seems to be a strange concept in China still to this day .
"PET junior" didn't take any action. Our legal and law enforcement system acted according to an international treaty and the law. It would be a serious problem if our politicians were to interfere in legal proceedings.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the Americans have reasonable grounds for her to be extradited. I'm no lawyer, but as I understand it, whether there are grounds for extradition will be decided in an extradition hearing. I truly do hope that our politicians resist temptations to try to interfere in the legal proceedings.

I don't know the answer but I truly wonder if whatever she did would have been illegal under Canadian law at the time she did it. If it would not have been illegal under Canadian law then she cannot be extradited. Personally I hope that the outcome will be her release from custody in Canada, on the grounds that whatever it is the Americans are worked up about is not a crime in Canada.

It will be very interesting.
 

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Hauwei was one of the biggest buyers of Nortel IP assets sold out of bankruptcy. Whatever you think of Nortel, they had cutting edge technology that now powers the wireless world. Shame they couldn’t run a company properly.
 

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From my perspective, this seems to be a very provocative act on the part of Canadian authorities. Provoking the wrath of a key trade partner seems to make little sense. I believe she was transiting to the US. Why could she not have been arrested there? Huawei, mainly due to their sponsorship of Hockey Night in Canada, are now a household name here. Either there is more to this than meets the eye, or there has been an egregious bureaucratic blunder. Any thoughts?
CFO of Huawei travelling by train...that alone is suspicious.:suspicious:
 

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"PET junior" didn't take any action. Our legal and law enforcement system acted according to an international treaty and the law. It would be a serious problem if our politicians were to interfere in legal proceedings.
That's precisely the thing he should make abundantly clear. Our laws and treaties require this action, and they are absolute. There is no executive privilege nor discretion to ignore them.

In this case VIA stands for Vancouver International Airport
That one threw me too. I have never seen YVR referred to by that acronym before, though yes it was clear in the articles she was intercepted at the airport.
 

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Hauwei was one of the biggest buyers of Nortel IP assets sold out of bankruptcy. Whatever you think of Nortel, they had cutting edge technology that now powers the wireless world. Shame they couldn’t run a company properly.
Some say that Nortel's down fall was a result of Chinese corporate espionage. I have no doubt it happened. You can't trust the Chinese government or Chinese companies.
 

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In China, a senior government official would just order her released, and she would be. They don't understand our system, with an independent judiciary. They expect that our government can, and should, just order her released.
 

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In China, a senior government official would just order her released, and she would be. They don't understand our system, with an independent judiciary. They expect that our government can, and should, just order her released.
Don't fool yourself, they very well know our laws and judicial system.
 

MissingOne

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Don't fool yourself, they very well know our laws and judicial system.
I'm sure that this is the case. Senior Chinese officials with international responsibilities would be very well versed in how other systems work. No doubt a lot of the noise they're making is for domestic consumption in China. However, having made all their threats, they're now in a position such that they'll have to be seen to be doing something to "punish" Canada.
 

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She was transferring to a flight to Mexico, not the USA.

Are you suggesting that Huawei's hockey sponsorship excuses corporate espionage?
Huawei is under scrutiny worldwide for several reasons. They are suspected of technology transfer to Iran, for one. As CFO she is well aware of this.
China portrays her as a victim. Meanwhile China "disappears" thousands of its own citizens, even Interpol executives and movie stars.
Don't believe the Chinese government spin.
Look what happened to that scientist who supposedly altered genes.... Ones the news broke the next couple days the guys goes MIA and no one has seen em since....China knew exactly what was goin at Huawei.... And now the world will know and they'll do and claim whatever to protect themselves
 

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the guys goes MIA and no one has seen em since...
Yeah vanished, even his own university had no comment on his whereabouts.
Like Sgt Schultz from Stalag 13 '' I saw nothing, NOTHING "

Their biggest female movie star disappeared.
Their Interpol rep disappeared.
Nothing unusual though. Everything is fine.
 

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Look what happened to that scientist who supposedly altered genes.... Ones the news broke the next couple days the guys goes MIA ...
Montreal International Airport? :D

Their biggest female movie star disappeared.
Fan Bingbing? No argument she disappeared and I fear what she went through during that time, but at least there was some good news that she resurfaced in October.
 

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There was also an film on Netflix about the HSBC bank connected to drug money laundering in Mexico. The bank made a deal with US government, it gave up accounts in return for no prosecution of its employees.

Also, being arrested in Canada gives her a decent chance to fight against the accusation in Canada (against deportation to the US).

One thing not mentioned was if China had signed on to the US sanctions against Iran.

The problem is if and when China decides that American or Western World excutives broke some law or mandate, do they detain them too. Opening up a can of worms....
 

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Some say that Nortel's down fall was a result of Chinese corporate espionage. I have no doubt it happened. You can't trust the Chinese government or Chinese companies.
I worked for Nortel before it's downfall and I know that a lot of my former colleagues believe exactly that. It burns my craw that they then got to buy our IP on the cheap and then sell Canadian Telcos our hard earned technology.

JD
 
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