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80watts

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On news; NASA was/is looking for more contribution from Canada. I think they should get it. I think the Gov should put more money into space. At least for the science and the exploration part.

How to spend the money?? Who does it go to? Can a Go-Fund -be raised for space exploration, a orbiting hotel, a moon base.?

Where to get the money? Maybe tax 2% of all mineral wealth in Canada?? suggestions?
 

clu

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So... first Canada gave NASA an arm, and now it lends a hand?

If Canada is chipping in, we should have a say in directing the funding. Climate research: yes. Space Force: no.
 

Quarter Mile'r

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Why do they even give a nickel to an agency known as, Never. Any. Straight. Answers

Canada certainly has done her part in Space and continues too.
We sure have put a few astronauts in space from our country.
To answer ur question 80watts I'd certainly rather see Canada commit
the 17 million or is it 1.7 million they put into this garbage SOGI crap that
confuses the hell out of adolescents in our schools IMHO.





.....................QM'r
 

Billiam

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Why do they even give a nickel to an agency known as, Never. Any. Straight. Answers

Canada certainly has done her part in Space and continues too.
We sure have put a few astronauts in space from our country.
To answer ur question 80watts I'd certainly rather see Canada commit
the 17 million or is it 1.7 million they put into this garbage SOGI crap that
confuses the hell out of adolescents in our schools IMHO.





.....................QM'r
IMHO, any money used to prevent marginalized youth from being abused is well spent. The alt-right evangelical christian anti-SOGI stance is what is crap.
 

badbadboy

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The benefits of investing in space are twofold:

1) The science has spinoffs for research for other industries with commercial interests.

2) There are many companies across Canada who could contribute to the hardware and the data collection. This could also spinoff to research at University level which would generate more graduates qualified to work in these industries.

The big downside is cost. It's not the sort of investment that's limited in time nor cost before benefits are realized. Conservatively, 10+ years would be my own estimate.
 

clu

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To answer ur question 80watts I'd certainly rather see Canada commit
the 17 million or is it 1.7 million they put into this garbage SOGI crap that
confuses the hell out of adolescents in our schools IMHO.
Your position that SOGI "confuses the hell out of adolescents" is based on what? Genuinely I'd like to know.

My experience is the confused kids are the ones that are told they are not "normal". Educating them that they're actually ok and educating their peers that those different than them are not "freaks" doesn't seem particularly confusing. Generally speaking most of school is about learning there's more to this world than you may know. Anyone who's decidedly heterosexual is not going to get confused about themselves upon finding out others aren't.
 

Quarter Mile'r

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Your position that SOGI "confuses the hell out of adolescents" is based on what? Genuinely I'd like to know.

My experience is the confused kids are the ones that are told they are not "normal". Educating them that they're actually ok and educating their peers that those different than them are not "freaks" doesn't seem particularly confusing. Generally speaking most of school is about learning there's more to this world than you may know. Anyone who's decidedly heterosexual is not going to get confused about themselves upon finding out others aren't.
IF on the one hand these confused kids reach out to their parents, councillors etc,
because they have been bullied or.......then thats a different story bro. BUT.................

I really didn't want to derail this topic but since ur so intent on my basis of this I'll tell ya.

And how did they become "confused"?? Well here's a good example of fucking why!!!
First off, why are they talking sexual identity in the classes of middle schoolers?
They range in age from approx, 12 - 15 years of age. These kids have barely and or are reaching puberty
and in most cases, ( I hope) haven't gotten wholely involved in the bedroom with each other yet.

Besides that, why are we not allowing our kids to become familiar with GROWING UP first and
then be able to discover their sexuality not physically but be adult enough to understand it?
Preaching this SHIT of SOGI to adolescants IMHO is nothing less than CHILD ABUSE at this age!!!

Fucking liberals and their mindless bullshit!!!!
Yah I'm pissed bro and I'll tell ya why. My buddies son in grade 8 (just turned 14) comes home to his
folks and tells them that (Suzy) not her real name of course went through the questioning if she
maybe ever had thoughts if she ever felt like dressing up as a boy or maybe kissed her
best girlfriend. That possibly she enjoyed it?

Would she be okay with that? Would she be comfortable feeling alright about that?
He had gone through the same questioning as all the students did. So he asked his folks what this is all
about. I don't understand why they are asking us questions if we might like to kiss our friends who are the
same sex as us or dress up as girls and stuff. The poor kid was almost in tears about this himself.
So his parents told him to remember in life to question everything and use your own mind.
Be carefull of what others question you about.

Now I can understand why these kids are confused beyond belief. This would certainly do it
wouldn't you think?

Well guess what? After the questioning of the students the teacher brings Suzy up in front of the
class and without asking the girls permission she boldly tells the students in front of her that
Suzy possibly has Lesbian tendencies and or would feel comfortable being a boy.

The entire class went agasp at this and poor Suzy ran from the class screaming and crying her eyes out!
Her parents had a consultation with the powers to be at the school and were told there was nothing they
can do to change the outcome because this is the new norm.
THEY promptly removed Suzy from the school and moved to a new town as to avoid the humiliation
that would be brought onto her from that day forward. You know how kids are man, that poor girl
would be slandered and abused beyond belief if she stayed in that school. Not to mention she now
has to live her teen years out and the rest of her life with the memory of that incident.

Do you think Suzy now has a possibility of being confused? I would say yes indeed.
Not to mention possibly psychology destroyed for the rest of her life at such a young and
impressionable age. And for what reason?

Therefore..... IMHO with what and how I've been exposed to this SOGI it is nothing more
than abuse of a childs mind.
This program is brought to you by a politician who has gone
so far left with his liberal PC'ness, aka, (BULLSHIT) he doesn't even consider the damage it could
cause these poor kids psychologically. FUCKING ASSHOLE LIBERALS!!

One other thing. about that questioning that goes on. Each and every child who admits in the slightest
of having any "fantasies" whatsoever are labeled as unsure of gender identity.
And this is all sent back to Ottawa to justify Justine's dollar amount on putting the millions of dollars
into this project. It's friggin sickening man.

Let the kids grow up first and become adults and let them discover themselves in their own way.
For christ sake their just kids god damn it!!

So you now go and post ur post on how to convince me otherwise and I'll try and get in touch with
Suzy and tell her help is on the way sweety!!.

Fuck I'm pissed about this gender bullshit!!

NO MORE COMMENTS FROM ME ON THIS, I'm done.

P.S. clu, I sincerely hope that this answers your question on how it can confuse our
adolescents. From what I've experienced from a good friends child.



......................QM'r
 
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Billiam

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IF on the one hand these confused kids reach out to their parents, councillors etc,
because they have been bullied or.......then thats a different story bro. BUT.................

I really didn't want to derail this topic but since ur so intent on my basis of this I'll tell ya.

And how did they become "confused"?? Well here's a good example of fucking why!!!
First off, why are they talking sexual identity in the classes of middle schoolers?
They range in age from approx, 12 - 15 years of age. These kids have barely and or are reaching puberty
and in most cases, ( I hope) haven't gotten wholely involved in the bedroom with each other yet.

Besides that, why are we not allowing our kids to become familiar with GROWING UP first and
then be able to discover their sexuality not physically but be adult enough to understand it?
Preaching this SHIT of SOGI to adolescants IMHO is nothing less than CHILD ABUSE at this age!!!

Fucking liberals and their mindless bullshit!!!!
Yah I'm pissed bro and I'll tell ya why. My buddies son in grade 8 (just turned 14) comes home to his
folks and tells them that (Suzy) not her real name of course went through the questioning if she
maybe ever had thoughts if she ever felt like dressing up as a boy or maybe kissed her
best girlfriend. That possibly she enjoyed it?

Would she be okay with that? Would she be comfortable feeling alright about that?
He had gone through the same questioning as all the students did. So he asked his folks what this is all
about. I don't understand why they are asking us questions if we might like to kiss our friends who are the
same sex as us or dress up as girls and stuff. The poor kid was almost in tears about this himself.
So his parents told him to remember in life to question everything and use your own mind.
Be carefull of what others question you about.

Now I can understand why these kids are confused beyond belief. This would certainly do it
wouldn't you think?

Well guess what? After the questioning of the students the teacher brings Suzy up in front of the
class and without asking the girls permission she boldly tells the students in front of her that
Suzy possibly has Lesbian tendencies and or would feel comfortable being a boy.

The entire class went agasp at this and poor Suzy ran from the class screaming and crying her eyes out!
Her parents had a consultation with the powers to be at the school and were told there was nothing they
can do to change the outcome because this is the new norm.
THEY promptly removed Suzy from the school and moved to a new town as to avoid the humiliation
that would be brought onto her from that day forward. You know how kids are man, that poor girl
would be slandered and abused beyond belief if she stayed in that school. Not to mention she now
has to live her teen years out and the rest of her life with the memory of that incident.

Do you think Suzy now has a possibility of being confused? I would say yes indeed.
Not to mention possibly psychology destroyed for the rest of her life at such a young and
impressionable age. And for what reason?

Therefore..... IMHO with what and how I've been exposed to this SOGI it is nothing more
than abuse of a childs mind.
This program is brought to you by a politician who has gone
so far left with his liberal PC'ness, aka, (BULLSHIT) he doesn't even consider the damage it could
cause these poor kids psychologically. FUCKING ASSHOLE LIBERALS!!

One other thing. about that questioning that goes on. Each and every child who admits in the slightest
of having any "fantasies" whatsoever are labeled as unsure of gender identity.
And this is all sent back to Ottawa to justify Justine's dollar amount on putting the millions of dollars
into this project. It's friggin sickening man.

Let the kids grow up first and become adults and let them discover themselves in their own way.
For christ sake their just kids god damn it!!

So you now go and post ur post on how to convince me otherwise and I'll try and get in touch with
Suzy and tell her help is on the way sweety!!.

Fuck I'm pissed about this gender bullshit!!

NO MORE COMMENTS FROM ME ON THIS, I'm done.

P.S. clu, I sincerely hope that this answers your question on how it can confuse our
adolescents. From what I've experienced from a good friends child.



......................QM'r
Bullshit!!
 

clu

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IF on the one hand these confused kids reach out to their parents, councillors etc,
because they have been bullied or.......then thats a different story bro. BUT.................

I really didn't want to derail this topic but since ur so intent on my basis of this I'll tell ya.

And how did they become "confused"?? Well here's a good example of fucking why!!!
First off, why are they talking sexual identity in the classes of middle schoolers?
They range in age from approx, 12 - 15 years of age. These kids have barely and or are reaching puberty
and in most cases, ( I hope) haven't gotten wholely involved in the bedroom with each other yet.

Besides that, why are we not allowing our kids to become familiar with GROWING UP first and
then be able to discover their sexuality not physically but be adult enough to understand it?
Preaching this SHIT of SOGI to adolescants IMHO is nothing less than CHILD ABUSE at this age!!!

Fucking liberals and their mindless bullshit!!!!
Yah I'm pissed bro and I'll tell ya why. My buddies son in grade 8 (just turned 14) comes home to his
folks and tells them that (Suzy) not her real name of course went through the questioning if she
maybe ever had thoughts if she ever felt like dressing up as a boy or maybe kissed her
best girlfriend. That possibly she enjoyed it?

Would she be okay with that? Would she be comfortable feeling alright about that?
He had gone through the same questioning as all the students did. So he asked his folks what this is all
about. I don't understand why they are asking us questions if we might like to kiss our friends who are the
same sex as us or dress up as girls and stuff. The poor kid was almost in tears about this himself.
So his parents told him to remember in life to question everything and use your own mind.
Be carefull of what others question you about.

Now I can understand why these kids are confused beyond belief. This would certainly do it
wouldn't you think?

Well guess what? After the questioning of the students the teacher brings Suzy up in front of the
class and without asking the girls permission she boldly tells the students in front of her that
Suzy possibly has Lesbian tendencies and or would feel comfortable being a boy.

The entire class went agasp at this and poor Suzy ran from the class screaming and crying her eyes out!
Her parents had a consultation with the powers to be at the school and were told there was nothing they
can do to change the outcome because this is the new norm.
THEY promptly removed Suzy from the school and moved to a new town as to avoid the humiliation
that would be brought onto her from that day forward. You know how kids are man, that poor girl
would be slandered and abused beyond belief if she stayed in that school. Not to mention she now
has to live her teen years out and the rest of her life with the memory of that incident.

Do you think Suzy now has a possibility of being confused? I would say yes indeed.
Not to mention possibly psychology destroyed for the rest of her life at such a young and
impressionable age. And for what reason?

Therefore..... IMHO with what and how I've been exposed to this SOGI it is nothing more
than abuse of a childs mind.
This program is brought to you by a politician who has gone
so far left with his liberal PC'ness, aka, (BULLSHIT) he doesn't even consider the damage it could
cause these poor kids psychologically. FUCKING ASSHOLE LIBERALS!!

One other thing. about that questioning that goes on. Each and every child who admits in the slightest
of having any "fantasies" whatsoever are labeled as unsure of gender identity.
And this is all sent back to Ottawa to justify Justine's dollar amount on putting the millions of dollars
into this project. It's friggin sickening man.

Let the kids grow up first and become adults and let them discover themselves in their own way.
For christ sake their just kids god damn it!!

So you now go and post ur post on how to convince me otherwise and I'll try and get in touch with
Suzy and tell her help is on the way sweety!!.

Fuck I'm pissed about this gender bullshit!!

NO MORE COMMENTS FROM ME ON THIS, I'm done.

P.S. clu, I sincerely hope that this answers your question on how it can confuse our
adolescents. From what I've experienced from a good friends child.



......................QM'r
AFAIK, individual interviews and forced outing (legit or otherwise) are not part of the SOGI curriculum. If a teacher chooses to do either of these things, it's misguided.

As to 14 being too young to be exposed to the concepts, I wholeheartedly disagree. Sexual feelings arise earlier than that. It's important for kids to understand what they might be feeling, but it's properly done in an educational, non-confrontational environment.

What you are describing is not what the SOGI curriculum mandates. Any teacher that does what you describe is obviously fucked up, and yeah I've no interest in defending it.
 

80watts

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Interesting, maybe this is why science is getting misplaced by sex. Afterall its a escort review board.

Sex is the thing humans think about the most.

But science can be sexy.... Teachers that take the time to set up and show you examples of science are usually the successful teachers that reach the kids/young adults. Teachers that are lazy and just read from the textbook usually turn the students off. The teachers I liked best in school had a sense of humour and talked to/with the class...

NASA- Need another seven astronauts... when the first space shuttle blew up. I know gallows humour but; Space Exploration is risky and you have to trust the people you are working with to get things right...

In the 90s a really experience older person told me that it takes 8 to 12 years of school to become a doctor/lawyer, but nowadays people want to be sports personalities/movies stars, way easier and you can earn 10-100 times a doctor.

Sciences are hard and nowadays the smart ones that used to go into sciences go into sports or business or basket weaving, where the money is easier to make. Our society needs new scientific advances to help cope with environmental problems etc.
 

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Exploration of space looks like the only alternative to war from an economic point of view. If you've done any reading on the current financial system conceived in the nineteenth century that depends on "economic growth" to avert collapse of the financial system, you realize what has driven major wars throughout the 20th and 21st centuries and a thriving military-industrial complex.

From a perspective of what interests folks most, be it environmental protection, human rights or simply wealth for Canadians, an at-home industrial complex built on manufacturing products required for space exploration looks like the way forward.
 

80watts

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Canada is a very wealthy country, in minerals, land and fresh water. Lets not fuck it up. The wealth is mostly exploited by the rich. Which is why they say 99% of the wealth is held by the 1%.

We also have smart people, a good educational system, but lack the foresight to exploit this wealth when the brain drain goes to the states or works overseas. Canada system for wealth generation is stagnated, by the high cost of labour and the gobal market. Canada's labour is expensive, and overhead is high (shop rate 3-4 times wage of person working).
 
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