‘Violence is not part of the job’, B.C. nurses delivering violence prevention message

VanessainVictoria · Oct 18, 2018

B.C. Health Minister Adrian Dix will be the recipient of thousands of postcards delivered by nurses in the province with a violence prevention message.

The delegation will bring the postcards to the steps of the legislature at noon Thursday to say “violence is not part of the job”.

In a Facebook post Oct. 10, the BC Nurses Union said violence in health care has “steadily increased”, which it says has impacted the safety of nurses and patients.

The union says it wants to see the provincial government honour a pre-election pledge to create a safer workplace for nurses and provide more security.

Nurses around the province have gathered postcards that have been signed by members of the public and addressed to the health minister.

westwoody · Oct 18, 2018

A video was posted a few days ago of a guy on meth attacking people in an ER in Winnipeg. He was trying to stab people with a needle, fighting, it took three guards and a male nurse to get him down. It's lucky nobody was killed.

Very hard to feel sympathy for addicts after seeing that plus hearing many stories from nurses.

Big_Guy_Rye · Oct 18, 2018

I have zero sympathy for nurses these days.

My grandmother is not doing well (suffering from dementia), and needs to stay in the hospital until a room at a residential care home is available. So I've been visiting her at the hospital every 1-2 days, to see how she is. Every-time I'm there, there is this nurse who keeps confronting me saying that she's okay to go home. She happy, healthy, and of sane mind.... And I keep telling her she's far from okay, and gave examples of her dementia from before. Even her own personal doctor is saying she's not well, and is actively helping us find a care home for her. But this nurse is actively trying to push her out of the hospital before a home is set up for her.

So I visited her just the other day, and couldn't find her in her room. I asked a (different) nurse where she was, and she didn't know either. A few moments later that nurse went into panic mode, got some other nurses to search the floor. I joined in the search myself, until me and another nurse found her on floor below, with her hospital gown wide open, and she kept screaming that the "cruise ship was sinking". I helped the nurse escort my grandmother back to her room. When we settled her back in her room, the nurse who told me she was fine to go home walked in like nothing happened, even though I did notice her eariler, and I suspect knew that my grandmother was missing then.

She confronts me again, acting obvious, asking me if today is the day I'm taking her home because she was happy, healthy, and sane (the exact word for word carbon-copy dialogue)....

....so right then and there I lost my shit on her. Basically told her that we found my grandmother practically naked running down the halls thinking she's on a sinking ship, and this "nurse" says she's alright to go home....?! Basically, right then and there I told her to "Fuck off, and do your fucking job" and don't ever speak to me again (paraphrasing). Well, apparently her thin skin couldn't handle the double-deuce F-bombs, and she called security and her manager, and administrators, and this person and that person. Each of them lecturing me on 'my actions', but I wouldn't allow it, as I spoke over them until they understand my grandmother's situation as well. I quickly, spoke up and at them, telling them the real issue here that this nurse in particular isn't providing the care that she is obligated to provide, that by non-chalantly dismissing my grandmother saying "she's okay" when obviously she is NOT, while with a straight face is trying to convince me otherwise is ridiculous, insulting, and unprofessional. But in typical NPC fashion, they continue to try to make it more about me than this nurse's incompetence. And since my family has been actively speaking with my grandmother's lawyer (about power of attorney), I dropped that bomb on all those people, demanding their names and occupation for the record, as I was going to find out what my legal options are at this point. And right then these groups of sycophants who were trying to defend their crappy work practices, just dispersed in front of me like nothing happened.

.....I'm not that kind of person to freak out on someone, it takes A LOT to get me there, but the well-being of someone close to me was at stake. And why? for what? A Lazy nurse? too cowardly to admit she choose the wrong profession because heaven forbid she has to care about other people?

And now I read news articles, about workplace violence and have to question the nature of that "violence". A junkie, with no cheese on his cracker? Sure, there are unhinged people out there and we should be protecting people from them. But in my case, when it's sheer incompetence that puts people who NEED care, at RISK instead? It's very hard to feel sympathy for them, when I can honestly and factually say..."it's their fault, and they brought it on themselves"..... Which then asks the follow up question, "What exactly is this violence?" A few bad words, rightfully directed at those at fault? The world really needs to slow down for these people? When all they have to do is do their job properly, with care and professionalism to begin with?

Tell them butch up, and stop being such wimps, and own up to their failures.

80watts · Oct 18, 2018

Nurses deal with family shit every day, with overworked staff and not enough beds. Our society hangs by the thin veneer thread of sanity and first responders, and hospital staff see that thread hanging by the balance every day. These people have a higher rate of PTSD than average, because of all the shit they see.

Nobody knows how to heal dementia, its a start to the downward spiral of a personality the family has loved. Its hard on the family.

Violence does not have to be physical, it can be verbal/mental....

So BGR it looks like you contributed to that nurse's PTSD..... Losing your shit on nurses is wrong, if you think you have been wronged by them, make a complaint against the nurse.

nightswhisper · Oct 18, 2018

Big_Guy_Rye said:
I have zero sympathy for nurses these days.

My grandmother is not doing well (suffering from dementia), and needs to stay in the hospital until a room at a residential care home is available. So I've been visiting her at the hospital every 1-2 days, to see how she is. Every-time I'm there, there is this nurse who keeps confronting me saying that she's okay to go home. She happy, healthy, and of sane mind.... And I keep telling her she's far from okay, and gave examples of her dementia from before. Even her own personal doctor is saying she's not well, and is actively helping us find a care home for her. But this nurse is actively trying to push her out of the hospital before a home is set up for her.

So I visited her just the other day, and couldn't find her in her room. I asked a (different) nurse where she was, and she didn't know either. A few moments later that nurse went into panic mode, got some other nurses to search the floor. I joined in the search myself, until me and another nurse found her on floor below, with her hospital gown wide open, and she kept screaming that the "cruise ship was sinking". I helped the nurse escort my grandmother back to her room. When we settled her back in her room, the nurse who told me she was fine to go home walked in like nothing happened, even though I did notice her eariler, and I suspect knew that my grandmother was missing then.

She confronts me again, acting obvious, asking me if today is the day I'm taking her home because she was happy, healthy, and sane (the exact word for word carbon-copy dialogue)....

....so right then and there I lost my shit on her. Basically told her that we found my grandmother practically naked running down the halls thinking she's on a sinking ship, and this "nurse" says she's alright to go home....?! Basically, right then and there I told her to "Fuck off, and do your fucking job" and don't ever speak to me again (paraphrasing). Well, apparently her thin skin couldn't handle the double-deuce F-bombs, and she called security and her manager, and administrators, and this person and that person. Each of them lecturing me on 'my actions', but I wouldn't allow it, as I spoke over them until they understand my grandmother's situation as well. I quickly, spoke up and at them, telling them the real issue here that this nurse in particular isn't providing the care that she is obligated to provide, that by non-chalantly dismissing my grandmother saying "she's okay" when obviously she is NOT, while with a straight face is trying to convince me otherwise is ridiculous, insulting, and unprofessional. But in typical NPC fashion, they continue to try to make it more about me than this nurse's incompetence. And since my family has been actively speaking with my grandmother's lawyer (about power of attorney), I dropped that bomb on all those people, demanding their names and occupation for the record, as I was going to find out what my legal options are at this point. And right then these groups of sycophants who were trying to defend their crappy work practices, just dispersed in front of me like nothing happened.

.....I'm not that kind of person to freak out on someone, it takes A LOT to get me there, but the well-being of someone close to me was at stake. And why? for what? A Lazy nurse? too cowardly to admit she choose the wrong profession because heaven forbid she has to care about other people?

And now I read news articles, about workplace violence and have to question the nature of that "violence". A junkie, with no cheese on his cracker? Sure, there are unhinged people out there and we should be protecting people from them. But in my case, when it's sheer incompetence that puts people who NEED care, at RISK instead? It's very hard to feel sympathy for them, when I can honestly and factually say..."it's their fault, and they brought it on themselves"..... Which then asks the follow up question, "What exactly is this violence?" A few bad words, rightfully directed at those at fault? The world really needs to slow down for these people? When all they have to do is do their job properly, with care and professionalism to begin with?

Tell them butch up, and stop being such wimps, and own up to their failures.

Get a personal recorder and start recording your conversations.

badbadboy · Oct 18, 2018

VanessainVictoria said:
B.C. Health Minister Adrian Dix will be the recipient of thousands of postcards delivered by nurses in the province with a violence prevention message.

The delegation will bring the postcards to the steps of the legislature at noon Thursday to say “violence is not part of the job”.

In a Facebook post Oct. 10, the BC Nurses Union said violence in health care has “steadily increased”, which it says has impacted the safety of nurses and patients.

The union says it wants to see the provincial government honour a pre-election pledge to create a safer workplace for nurses and provide more security.

Nurses around the province have gathered postcards that have been signed by members of the public and addressed to the health minister.

They are pressured by management to not file incident reports and especially to WorkSafe BC when assaulted. There are lots of RN's on disability with concussions and other trauma because of violence by patients.

It's been a huge unresolved problem for years and the ads on TV are just the tip of the iceberg.

It's long overdue to make the hospitals a safe place to work.

Big_Guy_Rye said:
I have zero sympathy for nurses these days.

My grandmother is not doing well (suffering from dementia), and needs to stay in the hospital until a room at a residential care home is available. So I've been visiting her at the hospital every 1-2 days, to see how she is. Every-time I'm there, there is this nurse who keeps confronting me saying that she's okay to go home. She happy, healthy, and of sane mind.... And I keep telling her she's far from okay, and gave examples of her dementia from before. Even her own personal doctor is saying she's not well, and is actively helping us find a care home for her. But this nurse is actively trying to push her out of the hospital before a home is set up for her.

So I visited her just the other day, and couldn't find her in her room. I asked a (different) nurse where she was, and she didn't know either. A few moments later that nurse went into panic mode, got some other nurses to search the floor. I joined in the search myself, until me and another nurse found her on floor below, with her hospital gown wide open, and she kept screaming that the "cruise ship was sinking". I helped the nurse escort my grandmother back to her room. When we settled her back in her room, the nurse who told me she was fine to go home walked in like nothing happened, even though I did notice her eariler, and I suspect knew that my grandmother was missing then.

She confronts me again, acting obvious, asking me if today is the day I'm taking her home because she was happy, healthy, and sane (the exact word for word carbon-copy dialogue)....

....so right then and there I lost my shit on her. Basically told her that we found my grandmother practically naked running down the halls thinking she's on a sinking ship, and this "nurse" says she's alright to go home....?! Basically, right then and there I told her to "Fuck off, and do your fucking job" and don't ever speak to me again (paraphrasing). Well, apparently her thin skin couldn't handle the double-deuce F-bombs, and she called security and her manager, and administrators, and this person and that person. Each of them lecturing me on 'my actions', but I wouldn't allow it, as I spoke over them until they understand my grandmother's situation as well. I quickly, spoke up and at them, telling them the real issue here that this nurse in particular isn't providing the care that she is obligated to provide, that by non-chalantly dismissing my grandmother saying "she's okay" when obviously she is NOT, while with a straight face is trying to convince me otherwise is ridiculous, insulting, and unprofessional. But in typical NPC fashion, they continue to try to make it more about me than this nurse's incompetence. And since my family has been actively speaking with my grandmother's lawyer (about power of attorney), I dropped that bomb on all those people, demanding their names and occupation for the record, as I was going to find out what my legal options are at this point. And right then these groups of sycophants who were trying to defend their crappy work practices, just dispersed in front of me like nothing happened.

.....I'm not that kind of person to freak out on someone, it takes A LOT to get me there, but the well-being of someone close to me was at stake. And why? for what? A Lazy nurse? too cowardly to admit she choose the wrong profession because heaven forbid she has to care about other people?

And now I read news articles, about workplace violence and have to question the nature of that "violence". A junkie, with no cheese on his cracker? Sure, there are unhinged people out there and we should be protecting people from them. But in my case, when it's sheer incompetence that puts people who NEED care, at RISK instead? It's very hard to feel sympathy for them, when I can honestly and factually say..."it's their fault, and they brought it on themselves"..... Which then asks the follow up question, "What exactly is this violence?" A few bad words, rightfully directed at those at fault? The world really needs to slow down for these people? When all they have to do is do their job properly, with care and professionalism to begin with?

Tell them butch up, and stop being such wimps, and own up to their failures.

Sorry to hear about your grandma.

Unloading F Bombs in a public hospital will always get security involved thinking you may be a risk to personnel and other patients. You are lucky they didn't get the local police involved.

I've been through the long term care thing with parents and know exactly what you are saying but also know they are doing what they can with a bankrupt system.

Are you really saying the RN's deserve to be beaten up?

Big_Guy_Rye · Oct 19, 2018

80watts said:
Nurses deal with family shit every day, with overworked staff and not enough beds. Our society hangs by the thin veneer thread of sanity and first responders, and hospital staff see that thread hanging by the balance every day. These people have a higher rate of PTSD than average, because of all the shit they see.

Nobody knows how to heal dementia, its a start to the downward spiral of a personality the family has loved. Its hard on the family.

Violence does not have to be physical, it can be verbal/mental....

So BGR it looks like you contributed to that nurse's PTSD..... Losing your shit on nurses is wrong, if you think you have been wronged by them, make a complaint against the nurse.

I understand the blights and plights that nurses go through, but sympathies can only run so far when the life of a loved one is being ignored. Survival instincts kick in, and it's you against the world; that's just the way it is.

Am I suppose to feel bad for this particular nurse's PTSD? I agree it's wrong to lose your shit on anyone (again, don't normally have a temper), but beyond right vs. wrong it is validated nonetheless. If the worse happened, and she fell through an open window 10 stories down. Could any of us compose ourselves, take that 10 second breather and recite the last 10 news articles and political speeches about why our health care is so under-funded? Then make sure the nurse who failed at her job gets treatment for her PTSD in the end?

Are you really saying the RN's deserve to be beaten up?

Oh god no...... No one deserves to be beaten up; of course not. But what I am saying is, I'm not surprised that actual physical violence does happen regardless, and if it was a lesser man in that situation..... would you be surprised at the obvious reaction?

Which THEN begs the question, if hospitals are so under-funded to provide proper care, which in turn causes backlash from patients and their relatives to the point violence could occur, what makes them think they could get extra funding to protect themselves from that violence, which they should be putting those funds into improving infrastructure in the first place to make sure the right care is given? More staff to lighten the work load, more beds to give, more this/that..... "happier people", less violence.

It just sounds to me, even if they get what they wanted, it's just a band-aid solution.

Lo-ki · Oct 19, 2018

Big_Guy_Rye said:
I have zero sympathy for nurses these days.

Maybe you should go and work there for a while....see how long you last.

Big_Guy_Rye · Oct 19, 2018

Lo-ki said:
Maybe you should go and work there for a while....see how long you last.

Maybe you should get yourself admitted and see how long you'll last.....:jaded:

If you actually read my story, I'm not mad that she was wandering loose in the hospital, seeing her dementia get the better of her.

I'm pissed that a nurse was telling me "she's fine" when obviously she wasn't. Trying to boot her out of the hospital.

Caramel · Oct 19, 2018

Big_Guy_Rye said:
I have zero sympathy for nurses these days.

My grandmother is not doing well (suffering from dementia), and needs to stay in the hospital until a room at a residential care home is available. So I've been visiting her at the hospital every 1-2 days, to see how she is. Every-time I'm there, there is this nurse who keeps confronting me saying that she's okay to go home. She happy, healthy, and of sane mind.... And I keep telling her she's far from okay, and gave examples of her dementia from before. Even her own personal doctor is saying she's not well, and is actively helping us find a care home for her. But this nurse is actively trying to push her out of the hospital before a home is set up for her.

So I visited her just the other day, and couldn't find her in her room. I asked a (different) nurse where she was, and she didn't know either. A few moments later that nurse went into panic mode, got some other nurses to search the floor. I joined in the search myself, until me and another nurse found her on floor below, with her hospital gown wide open, and she kept screaming that the "cruise ship was sinking". I helped the nurse escort my grandmother back to her room. When we settled her back in her room, the nurse who told me she was fine to go home walked in like nothing happened, even though I did notice her eariler, and I suspect knew that my grandmother was missing then.

She confronts me again, acting obvious, asking me if today is the day I'm taking her home because she was happy, healthy, and sane (the exact word for word carbon-copy dialogue)....

....so right then and there I lost my shit on her. Basically told her that we found my grandmother practically naked running down the halls thinking she's on a sinking ship, and this "nurse" says she's alright to go home....?! Basically, right then and there I told her to "Fuck off, and do your fucking job" and don't ever speak to me again (paraphrasing). Well, apparently her thin skin couldn't handle the double-deuce F-bombs, and she called security and her manager, and administrators, and this person and that person. Each of them lecturing me on 'my actions', but I wouldn't allow it, as I spoke over them until they understand my grandmother's situation as well. I quickly, spoke up and at them, telling them the real issue here that this nurse in particular isn't providing the care that she is obligated to provide, that by non-chalantly dismissing my grandmother saying "she's okay" when obviously she is NOT, while with a straight face is trying to convince me otherwise is ridiculous, insulting, and unprofessional. But in typical NPC fashion, they continue to try to make it more about me than this nurse's incompetence. And since my family has been actively speaking with my grandmother's lawyer (about power of attorney), I dropped that bomb on all those people, demanding their names and occupation for the record, as I was going to find out what my legal options are at this point. And right then these groups of sycophants who were trying to defend their crappy work practices, just dispersed in front of me like nothing happened.

.....I'm not that kind of person to freak out on someone, it takes A LOT to get me there, but the well-being of someone close to me was at stake. And why? for what? A Lazy nurse? too cowardly to admit she choose the wrong profession because heaven forbid she has to care about other people?

And now I read news articles, about workplace violence and have to question the nature of that "violence". A junkie, with no cheese on his cracker? Sure, there are unhinged people out there and we should be protecting people from them. But in my case, when it's sheer incompetence that puts people who NEED care, at RISK instead? It's very hard to feel sympathy for them, when I can honestly and factually say..."it's their fault, and they brought it on themselves"..... Which then asks the follow up question, "What exactly is this violence?" A few bad words, rightfully directed at those at fault? The world really needs to slow down for these people? When all they have to do is do their job properly, with care and professionalism to begin with?

Tell them butch up, and stop being such wimps, and own up to their failures.

Are you sure that was a nurse or was it a care aid? And besides, that's only 1 nurse, writing off all nurses because of 1 person is beyond pathetic.

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