Deposits & E-Transfers

Pretty_Priya

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I can understand why gentlemen are hesitant to send deposits and e-transfers when booking an SP.

I understand that there are scammers who will take your money and then disappear without ever offering the service that was promised.

But here's the other side...

I've booked high-end hotels in Vancouver, and traveled from Nanaimo just to meet gentlemen who never showed up for the date we arranged. I know I'm not the only touring lady who's had this experience.

I had a particularly bad experience last summer, when I booked a beautiful downtown suite for a guest who cancelled last minute. I've been hesitant to host guests in Vancouver ever since, and I mainly only do out-calls now.

But I love Vancouver. I love the energy, the multiculturalism, and the opulence. I love the men and the providers I've had the pleasure of meeting in the Rainy City, and so...with trepidation...I'm planning a few small tours in Vancouver, and I'm asking for a 20% deposit on bookings.

Twenty percent is not a large amount of money, but it *hopefully* indicates that the gentleman is serious about actually meeting me.

To the men: Is this a good compromise? What can I do as a provider to assuage your fears and show that I'm sincere in my intentions?

To the SPs: Do you request deposits? Why or why not?
 

Gardener

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Tricky subject. Lots of good points on both sides of the issue. As usual, a few disrespectful individuals ruin it for all others.
 

Emmy_St_Claire

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What a coincidence, I've also just started asking for deposits from new clients. So far I've been thrilled with the very positive reception!

I made a totally discreet and nondescript email address for clients to send either an etransfer or an amazon gift card. Very easy! Sure a few people will balk at that, but you still won't be losing as much as you would through last-minute cancellations. Plus you are well respected, so anyone who thinks you're going to ruin your reputation by running away with their 50 dollar deposit is crazy.

I'm so happy that I'm seeing this becoming a trend among providers. It really changes your entire day when you don't have to worry about your next client bailing at the last minute. I wish I had done this ages ago!

Good luck to you :)
 

felixthecat

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Twenty percent is not a large amount of money, but it *hopefully* indicates that the gentleman is serious about actually meeting me.

To the men: Is this a good compromise? What can I do as a provider to assuage your fears and show that I'm sincere in my intentions?
It is a good compromise. It would weed out fake bookings. They would never give away any amount of their own money.

However, it only works for clients who are willing to send deposits at all. Some won't due to privacy concerns, or just because it's an extra effort comparing to other options.
The current laws and/or having an SO make any kind of paper trail undesirable.

Some of previous discussions
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?250042-E-Transfer-Would-you-ever-VOTE!!
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?249379-etransfers-!
 

uncleg

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For me I don't mind a deposit or e-transfer to somebody that has a decent reputation / on line presence...advertise here and it's not an issue for me, depending largely on how you present here. Somebody on LL...not so much, though there are those that advertise there as well, that present well here. In that situation I do understand that advertising is advertising and you don't always have a choice of the company you keep.

By the same token, as a PERB member with a ?????????? reputation on the board, I really don't want to go through a lot of silly shit just to spend some money and have what will hopefully be a good time....go figure.



As an aside, hard to comment on the 20% since you don't have your rates up. If that 20% is $100.00 or under, then I doubt too many guys will think twice about tossing it to the wind if they get cold feet.
 

badbadboy

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I understand that sometimes plans fall through or some guys just flake at the last moment. It's understandable to request a deposit and 20% seems more than fair with some requests are for 50% in advance. Especially if it's a multi hour date.

This is a very expensive city with hotels running $350 and up in the summertime. Some visiting SP elect to see a few clients per day and take holidays while in the area. You just need a couple of cancellations and your profit diminishes very quickly.

I've seen a couple of visiting SP and have no qualms sending a deposit to them. I know if something happens on their end and have to cancel, they'd do the right thing. I probably would pause to research more thoroughly if it's a first time visit.
 

FreeG

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Amazon gift card seems like a GREAT idea. When I earlier enquired into deposits, it seemed challenging to send a deposit discretely. Paypal apparently has its risks (some SW's had reported their accounts closed when their occupation became evident, am I right?). For me, I'm able to squirrel away cash over time (I know this sounds cheap, but alas, I'm not destined to be the multi-hr high-roller of the crowd!) so sending some of that cash in-advance seems to be the challenge.

Any other SP's endorse/accept gift cards? I know its not the same as money, but something like Amazon DOES have broad usefulness.

Like Gardener, I've seen both sides of the argument and after seeing many frustrations from established, hard-working SW's on Twitter, I definitely sympathize with the SW's situation more and more. It also forces me to commit - I'm not going to half-ass an appointment until I'm QUITE certain I'm going to make it work. Yes, things CAN happen (including "buyer remorse?" haha!) but I do think a healthier, safer environment will come from less cancellations and more met commitments over time.

For those who really CAN'T ever fathom providing a deposit, the agencies are still always an option and, at least in VIC, a generally good one.
 

Big_Guy_Rye

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What can I do as a provider to assuage your fears and show that I'm sincere in my intentions?
I don't think there is anything you can do....

My first impression of you (as I look through your website), is that you are very beautiful, and you've proved that you are a serious provider with an air of professionalism which gives a sense of integrity and honesty toward your clients when they are looking for discretion. And if etransfers are a part of doing business with you, I'd consider it, despite my personal rule against it (I've always been a 'cash upfront' kind of guy).

Now if it were just anyone else advertising on LL (with shoddy, low rez selfies, or obviously fake copies) or ads in the classifieds with just a number to text, or an e-mail. THEN asking for etransfers, generally that's a huge red flag that they could be a scammer.

Unfortunately, just as there will always be scammers, there will always be flakes. So there will be never be a perfect solution or compromise for you. All I could suggest is keep looking sexy, keep acting professional.
 

Emmy_St_Claire

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I do think a healthier, safer environment will come from less cancellations and more met commitments over time.
This is very true and more important than a lot of people realize!!! A provider who is getting a lot of last-minute cancellations can be put in a financial situation where she feels cornered into having to see people she doesn't want to, provide services she's not comfortable with, and get into situations that don't feel safe.

I'm really glad that by asking for deposits, I'm being a part of the movement to change this and to lead to a healthier, happier, safer environment for all of us.
 

take8easy

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As much as I understand 'out of town' girls' concern, I ain't paying any thing in advance. Risk works both ways. I have related it before but someone hijacked a girl's site and tried to scam me out of a few hundred dollars. I ain't doing it, no way. Even if it means not seeing any out of towners, then so be it.

I saw one out of towner and that was one too many. That was the first and the last time for me. Having said that, I am open to some well-reputed ones.
 

CanineCowboy

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If it is someone with an established reputation, I have no problem with sending a deposit, especially since it sounds like there are a lot of 'no shows'. I have even prepaid for future appointments with women I have seen before and generally I have had no problems, not saying I haven't been burned though.
 

Har-Don

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There's a few ladies in other cities who request references from other SP's. Perhaps something like that might help to weed out the good clients from the flakes?
 

Mr Quim

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What a coincidence, I've also just started asking for deposits from new clients. So far I've been thrilled with the very positive reception!

I made a totally discreet and nondescript email address for clients to send either an etransfer or an amazon gift card. Very easy! Sure a few people will balk at that, but you still won't be losing as much as you would through last-minute cancellations. Plus you are well respected, so anyone who thinks you're going to ruin your reputation by running away with their 50 dollar deposit is crazy.

I'm so happy that I'm seeing this becoming a trend among providers. It really changes your entire day when you don't have to worry about your next client bailing at the last minute. I wish I had done this ages ago!

Good luck to you :)
I have No problem, with an E-Transfer to a Lady, I'm committed to spending Time with ! Especially, if that makes her feel more comfortable, with seeing Me for the 1st Time ?

I've recently done this, to secure the Time with a Lady, that worked for Me !

The issue for Me, isn't a conspicuous Email address, as I've got a discrete Email address already Set-Up .
The Issue, is when I received the Bank Statement, and the Lady's 1st Name is on the Statement ?

Fortunately, I was staying on top of Things, and discovered this before I had to come up with an Explanation for my S.O. !

Some more discrete Initials of the SP, would be a lot easier to sell around, than this Situation ?

Something, to be aware of, for sure !

Just my 2Cents...

Cheers

P.S. In the last 5 Years of Pooning, I've fortunately only had to cancel one Appointment, on my behalf .
I usually plan my Encounters, a month, or two in advance .
This Year, out of 7 Appointments, 5 were cancelled on the Lady's account . I fully appreciate Shit happens, and Life is full of "Curve Balls" ?
I could only Suggest, that a Cancellation comes with some form of Compensation, on both sides of this Equation ?
Just a thought...
 
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JimDandy

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How does it work with a gift card. Do you snail mail it to the person or is there a way to transfer a gift card electronically? If the latter, how does it work?

JD
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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How does it work with a gift card. Do you snail mail it to the person or is there a way to transfer a gift card electronically? If the latter, how does it work?

JD
Many stores now do gift cards online & all you need to know is the recipient's email address, and all the recipient knows is that they have received one from whatever name you fill in the blank with! As an example, Sephora will send an email that says "You have received a $100 gift card from ..." and a code. The lady takes her phone to a till in store, they scan the code & bingo! You have just paid a deposit to your desired provider without any exposure of your personal information to her.

(General reminder: Amazon is not sex work friendly)
 

P3t3rp4n

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As much as I understand 'out of town' girls' concern, I ain't paying any thing in advance. Risk works both ways. I have related it before but someone hijacked a girl's site and tried to scam me out of a few hundred dollars. I ain't doing it, no way. Even if it means not seeing any out of towners, then so be it.

I saw one out of towner and that was one too many. That was the first and the last time for me. Having said that, I am open to some well-reputed ones.
I agree entirely, deposits are always fishy for me.
Why do we as the clients have to cofund / crowd fund your trip?
I can understand a sugar baby needing a plane ticket or a hotel arrangement but a full time SW I think should be able to afford her accommodations regardless.
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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I agree entirely, deposits are always fishy for me.
Why do we as the clients have to cofund / crowd fund your trip?
I can understand a sugar baby needing a plane ticket or a hotel arrangement but a full time SW I think should be able to afford her accommodations regardless.
You aren't in touch with the point of this thread then. It isn't about getting guys to pay for their tours or expenses. It's about using a deposit to demonstrate your committment to going through with the session that you have booked! It's about PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Here's what happens. Here's a fictional story and a fictional provider who may or may not be a paid advertiser on this board. They're theoretical, so not breaking any rules.

On some past Wednesday morning Theoretical Indy Girl (let's call them TIG for short), got a request for an overnight in a city where TIG has no permanent in call. She decides then that she will advertise a mini tour for that weekend, Thursday to Sunday. She books her hotel, her transportation, her ADVERTISING, & she gets ready to go. She runs ads, and several gents reply with enthusiasm, & email text & call to arrange their appointments. The day before she is supposed to travel, she has an overnight, a dinner date, and several shorter bookings too. After making all the arrangements, turning down appointments for her BASE CITY clients, etc, she heads to the tour city.

She arrives at & pays for her hotel...and then opens her email. The client who initially booked & requested her first appointment for the tour, a 5 hour dinner & play date, has emailed to say that his mother's brother's best friend's cousin has been involved in a tragedy, and as such he must regrettably cancel. However, he will happily rebook at some nebulous & undefined future date. Even if every other date is legitimate, that one flake puts a big hole in her pocket! Why? It's highly unlikely she can fill that same block of time on short notice, PLUS she may have turned away other opportunities because of that one date. But more & more often, it isn't just that one date. It is not unknown to have more than one No Call No Show date in a weekend, because for some men, it's a GAME. They want to book the appoinment & fantasize about it. Sure enough, the next day, she has 2 appointments ghost. At the end of the tour, she's broken even on what she spent to get there, to stay there, & to eat while she was there. She didn't enjoy any sightseeing or social interactions with other providers or friends, because she spent time waiting for dates to show up that didn't. Deposits are indications that you're a bona fide client, not a time waster.

I understand the unwillingness to expose your vulnerable information online; here's a way to get around it.

1) Book a date with TIG.
2) As a demonstration of your commitment to the appointment, buy a $50 Visa prepaid card at any gas station, convenience, drug or grocery store that sells them.
3) Take the card out of its packaging.
4) Take a pic of the front & back of the card that clearly shows the dollar value, the number, expiry date, & validation code from the back.
5) Send the pics to the provider. She is then able to use that gift card to pay for advertising. ($50 doesn't go as far as it used to on Le0l1st...but nevertheless, it's $50 she didn't put out of pocket!)
6) SHOW UP FOR THE DATE & have a great time.
 

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You aren't in touch with the point of this thread then. It isn't about getting guys to pay for their tours or expenses. It's about using a deposit to demonstrate your committment to going through with the session that you have booked! It's about PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Here's what happens. Here's a fictional story and a fictional provider who may or may not be a paid advertiser on this board. They're theoretical, so not breaking any rules.

On some past Wednesday morning Theoretical Indy Girl (let's call them TIG for short), got a request for an overnight in a city where TIG has no permanent in call. She decides then that she will advertise a mini tour for that weekend, Thursday to Sunday. She books her hotel, her transportation, her ADVERTISING, & she gets ready to go. She runs ads, and several gents reply with enthusiasm, & email text & call to arrange their appointments. The day before she is supposed to travel, she has an overnight, a dinner date, and several shorter bookings too. After making all the arrangements, turning down appointments for her BASE CITY clients, etc, she heads to the tour city.

She arrives at & pays for her hotel...and then opens her email. The client who initially booked & requested her first appointment for the tour, a 5 hour dinner & play date, has emailed to say that his mother's brother's best friend's cousin has been involved in a tragedy, and as such he must regrettably cancel. However, he will happily rebook at some nebulous & undefined future date. Even if every other date is legitimate, that one flake puts a big hole in her pocket! Why? It's highly unlikely she can fill that same block of time on short notice, PLUS she may have turned away other opportunities because of that one date. But more & more often, it isn't just that one date. It is not unknown to have more than one No Call No Show date in a weekend, because for some men, it's a GAME. They want to book the appoinment & fantasize about it. Sure enough, the next day, she has 2 appointments ghost. At the end of the tour, she's broken even on what she spent to get there, to stay there, & to eat while she was there. She didn't enjoy any sightseeing or social interactions with other providers or friends, because she spent time waiting for dates to show up that didn't. Deposits are indications that you're a bona fide client, not a time waster.

I understand the unwillingness to expose your vulnerable information online; here's a way to get around it.

1) Book a date with TIG.
2) As a demonstration of your commitment to the appointment, buy a $50 Visa prepaid card at any gas station, convenience, drug or grocery store that sells them.
3) Take the card out of its packaging.
4) Take a pic of the front & back of the card that clearly shows the dollar value, the number, expiry date, & validation code from the back.
5) Send the pics to the provider. She is then able to use that gift card to pay for advertising. ($50 doesn't go as far as it used to on Le0l1st...but nevertheless, it's $50 she didn't put out of pocket!)
6) SHOW UP FOR THE DATE & have a great time.
Nice, doesn’t break a single rule! lol
 
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