Truely independent?

Boo32

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Wondering if anyone has any tips on how to tell if an SP is truely independent. I’m not interested in lining the pockets of some pimp or worse, a human trafficker.
 

Mr Quim

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Wondering if anyone has any tips on how to tell if an SP is truely independent. I’m not interested in lining the pockets of some pimp or worse, a human trafficker.
I'm not sure, how You would ever confirm 100%, that a Woman who professes to be Independent is anything other than that ?

I hear what You're saying, and feel the same .

The only Time, I've felt that I may be crossing that Line, was Years back when I saw Asian Women who spoke very little English . I could never have a real Conversation, to understand their Situation ?

That's one of the Reasons, why I stopped, going down that Avenue .

IMHO, If it takes a while to get a Response from a Lady, chances are She's Independent ?

One person, can only do so much, on any given Day ?

A Pimp, an Agency, or a Human Trafficker are going to be all over your Inquiry !

They wouldn't want to miss out, on any Business ?

Just my 2Cents...

Cheers
 
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sevenofnine

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the only way, is to I guess keep your eyes open, keep going back, and pay attention.

at some point you just have to let it go,

I remember a few times, I gave my sp a big fucking wad of money,
then she tells me guess what im doing or whatever,
and you kind of think that is where your money is going.

ya I get it, you don't want to support some pimp.
but its none of your fucking business,

I kind of feel the vibe of the lady, I mean is she a good person.
is she someone I could been seen having a coffee with walking the dog, going for supper and drinks.
is she someone I could actually be seeing in a normal life. she fits my values etc etc.
and all of these I have done with my sp, and people treat us like a couple. perfectly normal.

I met someone, I went out with a few times. younger, she was crazy,
we went into a couple of pubs, and the staff would just stare, fuck,
not in a good, way, I suspect she had a rep, a bad one, it felt like she was going to break out into a fight,
she was crazy,
nice in bed, but everything else was fucking crazy,

that is how I tend to do it, if your spidy senses start to twitch,
run like fucking hell.
 

Emmy_St_Claire

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A couple of quick ideas:

-Google her phone number to see if it comes up attached to any other ads for other ladies
-Copy a chunk of her ad and paste it into google to see if the same wording comes up on any other ads for other ladies

If you get a hit on either of these, it doesn't necessarily mean the lady is being forced to work, but could hint at her not being 100% independent
 

felixthecat

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Wondering if anyone has any tips on how to tell if an SP is truely independent. I’m not interested in lining the pockets of some pimp or worse, a human trafficker.
First step for yourself is to define "truly independent". It's not straightforward at all. Same as the CRA distinction of employed vs. self-employed is not simple.

SPs may need many work prerequisites they could delegate to others: incall space, security, a driver, client screening, client communication, booking, advertisement, web site design, etc. Even most independent SPs will want to outsource at least some of that. There are thousands of different combinations. You probably won't worry about "lining the pockets" of a driver or a shared incall owner. You won't find a clear definition of "pimp" either.

Two SPs in the same arrangement can see it differently: one thinks she has a "boss"/"handler", the other thinking of herself as an independent who has a guy helping out in exchange for money/services.
 

jamasianman

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If you are really concerned about seeing someone who could be pimped, just see ladies who advertise on perb nad have good reviews. Also avoid the 5060 group on leolist as they are not reputable. Also if you find a reputable ageny like West Coast Angels or 1122 they are known to be reputable and you will be fine. Perhaps avoid massage parlours as well while you are at it.
 

Big_Guy_Rye

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Hate to sound racist, but it's the Asian providers that sketch me out.

Besides the horror stories of 'bait n' switches', just hearing some of the stories here on perb sounds like they're FOB and working off their tab getting into Canada; by any means necessary, even if it's sex work.

Totally oblivious that they weren't prepared for people's "acquired tastes" on top of just basic sex. Which is why I often hear so many bad reviews about them.

I'm sure there are great Asian SPs in Vancouver, don't get me wrong (I'd like to try them). But they sound like needles in the haystack.
 

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I truly hope you didn't run into a scenario where you felt a lady was being coerced into the industry prompting you to start this thread. If you seriously felt that was the case you should reflect further and if alarm bells are still going off then report it.

As I have only worked independently I don't have firsthand knowledge of the other side of agencies or "handlers". I have heard some icky stories about agencies and "handlers" (even here on perb... yes, guys....)... What some women have gone through is simply wrong.

While I can't advise you on all the indicators of forced labour there should be *some* warning signals. Does she seem disinterested? Distracted? Nervous? Is she pushing you away or avoiding you? (all things considering you're a wonderful, respectful, hygienic client).

No means no even if you're paying for it.

A phone call with your lusted after lady might shed some light. Get her on the phone, not her "handler". Tone of voice, clear information given, and simply holding a conversation for a few minutes could either help set you at ease or raise red flags. Not all ladies like to receive phone calls though so some emails/texts with consistent information and personality could help you. Websites and reviews are also handy.

Running an independent business takes a lot of time outside of actually seeing clients. It makes sense for some ladies to hire help to reply to emails and set appointments etc; that doesn't necessarily mean that you'd be lining pimps' pockets, that's just her delegating.

Use common sense. Ladies have screening protocols in place and so should clients.

Sweet baby Jesus... be safe, people.
 

80watts

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To be perfectly honest, even if SW are 100% independent, they are not. They depend on customers to help support them..... Its a job after all.
 

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To be perfectly honest, even if SW are 100% independent, they are not. They depend on customers to help support them..... Its a job after all.
lol that's a really dumb way of looking at it no offense to you, so would you say the same thing about someone who was freelance or running their own business?
 

MissingOne

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lol that's a really dumb way of looking at it no offense to you, so would you say the same thing about someone who was freelance or running their own business?
I run my own business. I am utterly dependent on the goodwill of clients, which I must earn. Some former clients will never use my services again, because I refused to do what they wanted me to do. I have no regrets about that.
 

badbadboy

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One of my first experiences in Vancouver was at an Asian micro that was run by a strict mamasan. She greeted me at the door, gave me the house rules and asked me to wait by the shower. The lady I saw didn't speak a word of English and clearly didn't enjoy what she was doing. Forevermore I only visited reputable Indy's and well known agencies.

I can't get my head around seeing women in these Micro's. Odds are there is something wrong for the provider at these places.

Then a friend shared this article about a young Caucasian lady from Ontario who was trafficked by gangs.

We pooners have to keep our eyes open to this stuff and recognize there could be a bad side for the provider.

http://www.flare.com/news/reality-o...always+on&utm_term=news&opinion&utm_content=0
 

Mr Quim

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The Thread below, begs the Question, about being an Independent Provider ? And also, whether a few more Acronyms should be added, to increase the chances of a good Experience on both sides of this Equation ?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?254980-Ala%F1ah-Ramos-extremely-disappointing-session

Having a shared Incall, makes a Lady dependent, on the other Ladies she shares the Incall with IMHO ?

I hate to possibly Derail your Thread "Boo32", but, I'd like to make these following Comments in conjuction ?
I apologize, if it happens ?

I'm wondering if it's Time, to add a few more Acronyms to the Library ?
I have a certain dislike for Acronyms, but, They're all about saving Time & Space ?

I checked our PERB Library, and couldn't find these ?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...BBREVIATIONS-ACRONYMS-TERMINOLOGY-Used-on-Ads

But, I think They could be welcome additions, that could only improve Everyone's involvement in sharing the experience ?

SIC - Shared InCall ( Which may be confusing, because it's sort of the new cool ? ) Suggestions ?

DIC - Dedicated InCall ( I know, another, that could be misperceived ? LOL ) Suggestions again ?

Why, You may ask ?

Shared Incalls take away some of the flexibility, that is available, when Ladies don't share a place ?

Dedicated Incalls, on the other hand, allow You that flexibility if something magical is taking place . And You want to ride that Wave, until it breaks !

I usually avoid Ladies, who have their Clients stacked up like Cord-Wood, for that possibility not to be available .

That Thread also brought up, two more Acronyms, that I think may be beneficial ?

LDF - Large Dick Friendly

SDF - Small Dick Friendly

Not that they couldn't intermingle... ?

But, Capt Obvious says You could, and might want to draw your own Conclusions ?

Just my 2Cents...

Cheers
 
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dipsett

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Part of the reason why I seldom take part in this hobby anymore even though I still frequent this website .

Ethically it bothers me ....I feel like 90 percent of these girls are put in a situation where they have no other choice ...
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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The Thread below, begs the Question, about being an Independent Provider ? And also, whether a few more Acronyms should be added, to increase the chances of a good Experience on both sides of this Equation ?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?254980-Ala%F1ah-Ramos-extremely-disappointing-session

Having a shared Incall, makes a Lady dependent, on the other Ladies she shares the Incall with IMHO ?

I hate to possibly Derail your Thread "Boo32", but, I'd like to make these following Comments in conjuction ?
I apologize, if it happens ?

I'm wondering if it's Time, to add a few more Acronyms to the Library ?
I have a certain dislike for Acronyms, but, They're all about saving Time & Space ?

I checked our PERB Library, and couldn't find these ?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...BBREVIATIONS-ACRONYMS-TERMINOLOGY-Used-on-Ads

But, I think They could be welcome additions, that could only improve Everyone's involvement in sharing the experience ?

SIC - Shared InCall ( Which may be confusing, because it's sort of the new cool ? ) Suggestions ?
It's more about the economic reality. There is an expectation about the environment in which companions at a certain price point entertain. For those women in this industry that choose not to entertain where they work, the alternative to daily rates at AirBnB or hotels, is a shared in call space. That way, we're not lugging enormous amounts of clothing, shoes, & sex toys with us to each appointment either! In any shared in call I have had, I've always had access to some sort of storage space to keep essentials.

I'd say that more than we are dependent on the person who maintains or provides the incall, we are dependent upon clients who are able to understand that 'right now' just isn't a possibility for many providers for many reasons, not the least of which might be that our in call space is often not available to us 24/7, and sometimes, it might be booked hours or even days in advance.
 

ElsiDawson

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Dedicated Incalls, on the other hand, allow You that flexibility if something magical is taking place . And You want to ride that Wave, until it breaks !

I usually avoid Ladies, who have their Clients stacked up like Cord-Wood, for that possibility not to be available .
I have my own incall and I space my sessions out so that I have time to ... regain enthusiasm ... between clients but extending a session from within a session is something that makes me arid. I don't want to see your wallet while we're together.
I've kept some (un)lucky victims overtime if I'm really enjoying myself (or if I didn't get my nut yet), but the discussion of "how much to add another XX minutes?" is something that takes the wind out of my sales.

Luckily, I'm independent so I can make those kinds of calls. ;)
 

badbadboy

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Part of the reason why I seldom take part in this hobby anymore even though I still frequent this website .

Ethically it bothers me ....I feel like 90 percent of these girls are put in a situation where they have no other choice ...
Which girls?

Are you talking about ones we assume are Indy's or some of the FOB Asian shops?
 

dipsett

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Which girls?

Are you talking about ones we assume are Indy's or some of the FOB Asian shops?
Its difficult to say bro , it's honestly difficult to say

Because back in the day I used to think, okay if she advertises all day every day, than she definitely must have a "pimp" that is trying to meet some sort of quota , but that could be her own "drive" as well.... so I shouldn't place judgement ...it might be naive to think they dont have some sort of security though the ones who claim to be indy ...and there is nothing wrong with that at the end of the day

I dont know if you watch "the deuces" on HBO but its a good show that examines this life in the 70's ....when things were more overt ...
 

badbadboy

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There have been some notorious shops run by Pimps. That part is true but I'd say the Outlook, WCA and 1122 and similar agencies are all legit.

The ads you see may be on an auto bump per hour. SP's pay for that feature to keep their ads at the top.

Sure I've seen The Deuce. It's actually a bit like Vancouver when SP's worked bars, strip joints and were lined up in front of the Georgia, Devonshire Hotels and along Hornby St. Guys would come out of the clubs alone at 1 am and the SW would be there to proposition them. I actually met and hired a couple of them for a buddy's stag.
 
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