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Tesla 3 - Any intel?

Drek

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No, No Hyundai, EVER, never ever!!! Sorry. (Unless, I get one for free of course :), because then I will resell it and get a Honda or a Toyota.).

Seven, eight months is too short of time to judge a car, as far it's longevity is concerned, imho.
I don't understand this sentiment for Hyundai (or Kia). You clearly haven't noted their reliability record in recent years. It has topped the table the last couple years for JD Powers. Long gone are the days of the cheap old Pony. They have a quality that rivals (or exceeds) the best and a value that is hard to match. Do yourself a favour and take an objective 2nd look at them.

I would also add that it really depends on your usage of the vehicle. A hybrid is all well and good but there can be a substantial upfront cost for that and the fuel savings may not ever make up for it. If a hybrid is your choice I think the plugin hybrid (such as in the Chevy Volt) is a better technology as it is essentially an all electric driven car but has a small gas engine on board to extend the range by functioning as a generator.

Another consideration is to go diesel. They are highly fuel efficient, last forever, far cleaner than they used to be, have low cost of ownership and solid resale value.
 
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Hyundai/Kia have hired the engineers from Honda to help improve reliability, they hired the Chief Engineer from Audi, and one of the lead engineers from BMW's M division. They are serious about producing a quality product.

Electric cars: Be wary of driving in sub-zero temperatures. The battery life drops quite dramatically in sub-zero temperatures. A hybrid is better for Canadian winters.
 

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One of the developers I work for has been waiting 7.5 months on a new rear bumper after his p90 got hit on site... I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t be able to drive a car that long knowing it’s missing part of it’s bumper
Can confirm. With production issues on full cars, parts are very difficult to come by. Repairs are very costly...
 

Drek

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Electric cars: Be wary of driving in sub-zero temperatures. The battery life drops quite dramatically in sub-zero temperatures. A hybrid is better for Canadian winters.
And let's also remember that with electric cars (or plug in hybrids) you may save on fuel but electricity isn't free. You can count on your electric bill going up for daily the recharging the car will need.
 

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Electric and hybrids are nice, but with current tech you have to replace the battery pack after 15-20 years at a cost of 15-25k. Not a keeper car.
 

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Electric and hybrids are nice, but with current tech you have to replace the battery pack after 15-20 years at a cost of 15-25k. Not a keeper car.
Very few people keep gas-driven cars that long either, and given the pace of technological change in alternative-powered cars, it's likely year-on-year improvements would make people change those cars even faster. Who wants last year's smart phone or computer? That might make the whole system more wasteful and harmful to the environment in the long run as cars are replaced more quickly.
 

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Electric and hybrids are nice, but with current tech you have to replace the battery pack after 15-20 years at a cost of 15-25k. Not a keeper car.
15-20 Years???? Ohhhh no ... You mean when my car is already sitting in a junk yard? :) Just kidding. I think by 15 20 years, car would be in long term care aid anyways.

So original thread was about Tesla. So far I have concluded that these things go against Tesla

The wait is long
They are pricier
Parts are not easy to find, yet.
Still a bit unproven.

I think I am leaning more towards a hybrid. Probably not a Prius because ummm... too many taxis (and soon UBER), use them. :) . I will see if I can find a good mid size (Japanese) hybrid. I have rarely been to mechanic with my Toyota in the past and now Honda (except the regular maintenance of course).

Regarding Hyndai and KIA, I have heard horror stories about them being crappy after the warranty expires. Also, almost ALL of their designs are stolen from other major brands. After reading RAY's comment above, now I know why.

So, thanks Perberts for helping me decide against a Tesla and helping me making my mind up to go for a Japanese hybrid.

T8E
 

dave443

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Look at the Camery hybrid. Good size car with good mileage and same technology as all Toyota hybrid. I average about 4.5 l/100 k in city. About 5.3 to 5.8 on highway. Yes the get better mileage in the city.
 

LLLurkJ2

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Very few people keep gas-driven cars that long either, and given the pace of technological change in alternative-powered cars, it's likely year-on-year improvements would make people change those cars even faster. Who wants last year's smart phone or computer? That might make the whole system more wasteful and harmful to the environment in the long run as cars are replaced more quickly.
Yep, but when you go to re-sell whats your resale value if you know you're have to replace the batts as the buyer? And keep in mind these cars have fewer moving parts generally and so last longer.
 

masterblaster

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Electric and hybrids are nice, but with current tech you have to replace the battery pack after 15-20 years at a cost of 15-25k. Not a keeper car.
Doubtful the batteries would last 15-20 years. More like 8-10 years. Don't believe the battery pack replacement costs that much either.
 

Mrmotorscooter

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Just saw a Lincoln hybrid doesn’t need charging as it does it itself, guy was super happy with it he said it even gives him a massage when he’s driving it was a couple years old with no issues. I like the idea of not having to plug one in, it will get you to your destination no matter how far it is.
 

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Batteries don't work well in a Canadian winter? So in BC they should be fine on Vancouver Island and the lower mainland. I am guessing that's 90% of the electric market in BC.
 

MissingOne

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Batteries don't work well in a Canadian winter? So in BC they should be fine on Vancouver Island and the lower mainland. I am guessing that's 90% of the electric market in BC.
That may be the case, provided you have no interest in winter trips to the Interior for skiing or other sports, never do winter road trips to other parts of the province or country for visiting relatives, etc. Of course, if you can afford to have both an electric vehicle for local use, and a gas-guzzler for the occasional winter road trip, you'll do fine.
 

badbadboy

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Google 'Tesla Model 3 Problems' and there are a million hits.

I'd stay away -
Though I love technology and the auto industry changes made by Tesla's business model and Elon Musk as an entrepreneur; I would stay away too. At least until the 3rd year of successful production.

Too many 'what ifs'

  • Car accident? A year or more to get replacement parts?
  • Well documented cash flow problems. Supposed to be out of cash by year end. Highly disputed but . . .
  • Model 3 is supposed to be an entry level Tesla. Add a few options and it's $75k. That's an expensive chance to take on a first year production vehicle.
 

storm rider

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Though I love technology and the auto industry changes made by Tesla's business model and Elon Musk as an entrepreneur; I would stay away too. At least until the 3rd year of successful production.

Too many 'what ifs'

  • Car accident? A year or more to get replacement parts?
  • Well documented cash flow problems. Supposed to be out of cash by year end. Highly disputed but . . .
  • Model 3 is supposed to be an entry level Tesla. Add a few options and it's $75k. That's an expensive chance to take on a first year production vehicle.
Very good points I have to say.Heard on AM660 on Friday that a self driving Tesla 3 burst into flame due to a battery pack issue and another self driving Tesla 3 hit a pedestrian who was jaywalking.

Personally I would not think of buying any hybrid vehicle as it would be useless for my job.

SR
 

80watts

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Fuel cell use hydrogen. Hydrogen can be made from water through electrolysis(running an electrical current through it). When hydrogen is used up in fuel cells its byproduct is water. Or when hydrogen is burnt in an ICE or gas turbine it produces water.

Unfortunate hydrogen is also very flammable. So put that on a moving vehicle that could get into accidents due to poor drivers on the road, you have a bomb ready to blow up.... yeah

Wonder if they make a vehicle that would produce its own hydrogen from water and store just enough hydrogen to run a car. All you have to do is put water in....
 
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