Is Oil Dying?

rlock

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The future lies in a much-reduced use of GHG-emitting fossil fuels.
Coal is on the way out, except for steelmaking coal.
Oil still has a use in plastics and chemicals, and some specialty uses for fuels (jets and the like). But as a common fuel for most vehicles, it's also got to decline and be replaced.
Natural gas ... probably the same. At first replacing coal for generating electricity, and then being replaced itself by other power sources.

That's optimistically assuming we actually live long enough to see that happen.

With the backwards ass-clowns we have governing much of the world right now, maybe we'll be too late and just die off after making the world a wasteland.

Welcome to a Mad Max future, ladies and gents.
 

vanperb

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Though there has been an increase in consumption by major players such as China by all accounts it's on it's way out. Not tomorrow but it is an inevitablity as far as I can see.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...-growing-at-more-than-double-last-years-pace/

China is the world's top market for electric vehicles, and they recently announced that they have started “relevant research” and are working on a timetable for implementation of a ban on vehicles powered by fossil fuels.

That news followed previous announcements by France and the U.K. that they would ban the sale of vehicles powered by fossil fuels by 2040. These countries are making bets that electric vehicles (EVs) will be ready for near universal adoption when these bans go into effect. By making these bets, they are trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 

westwoody

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That article contradicts itself. The Spectator is comparable to Fox News or Ezra Levant's garbage.
There are hundreds of turbines here in MB, they are definitely producing energy.
I have seen hundreds in the US Midwest as well. Whoever built them didn't do it to get zero energy.
Almost every trip down south I see those huge trailers with blades on them on the interstate.
How can you say they provide zero global energy?
 

islander1-1

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Look back a few years.. All our lighting was oil lamps and candles. Whale oil for many years until the whales ran out and kerosene took over around 1850. Now some of us keep this as backup for when the hydro goes out. Solar as a source for electric is on the rise. Try and find garden lights that you have to plug in. several neighbors are off the grid with solar power. More and more electric cars are being sold. Planes do not NEED jet fuel. Almost 10 years ago now a flight around the world in solar powered plane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse. Ya the gas distributors can jack the prices all they want, the car salesman at Honda (Leaf), Tesla, Mercedes (Smart) and many others love it.
 

masterblaster

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Look back a few years.. All our lighting was oil lamps and candles. Whale oil for many years until the whales ran out and kerosene took over around 1850. Now some of us keep this as backup for when the hydro goes out. Solar as a source for electric is on the rise. Try and find garden lights that you have to plug in. several neighbors are off the grid with solar power. More and more electric cars are being sold. Planes do not NEED jet fuel. Almost 10 years ago now a flight around the world in solar powered plane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse. Ya the gas distributors can jack the prices all they want, the car salesman at Honda (Leaf), Tesla, Mercedes (Smart) and many others love it.
Planes do not need jet fuel? That's a laugh. Try flying a solar powered plane at night.
 

ludovico123

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No, oil is not on its way out.
Not any time soon.
High oil prices are the only thing that makes alternatives viable.
High prices generated by limited supply.
Fracking has basically ended the supply issue for at least a few hundred years.
The US became a net oil exporter a couple years ago once they developed the technology to tap their deep shale oil deposits.
The US has 1,000 years of reserve at current consumption levels.
Canada has larger shale deposits than the US, and China has more than all of North America.
I actually see this as bad news.
The environment can't withstand another couple hundred years of burning fossil fuels.
 

ludovico123

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Energy density (or lack there of) is the problem with batteries.
There would have to be a significant break through in battery technology before a battery powered passenger plane could be possible.
A gallon of gasoline/diesel/jet fuel has far more energy per its weight compared to any battery.
Charging time is also an issue.
 

felixthecat

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That article contradicts itself. The Spectator is comparable to Fox News or Ezra Levant's garbage.
There are hundreds of turbines here in MB, they are definitely producing energy.
I have seen hundreds in the US Midwest as well. Whoever built them didn't do it to get zero energy.
Almost every trip down south I see those huge trailers with blades on them on the interstate.
How can you say they provide zero global energy?
I cannot vouch for the newspaper, but that article has a reasonable logic.
They mean "zero" as in the worldwide portion of wind energy in the total consumption, rounded to the nearest whole number.
That is, the claim was it's less than 0.5% worldwide (in 2014).

If my math is right, their numbers are believable. The OP's article boasts of 14 gigawatts of wind power in UK. For comparison, the worldwide energy consumption was at least 18000 gigawatts on average in 2013 and growing, which I figure from Wikipedia 2013 total energy estimate of 1.575 x 10 ^ 17 Wh.
 

storm rider

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Oil and gas are not going the way of the dodo anytime soon.The current Socialist agenda with regards to "Climate Change" and the SHAM that it is is just not workable.How do the residents of say northern BC heat their homes in the dead of winter?Same goes for Alberta/Yukon/NWT/Nunavut/Sasketchewan and so on and so forth....from the Left coast right to the maritimes.....Canada in general is a fucking cold country for 6-7 months of the year and for 3-4 months it is BITTERLY cold.

Can I heat my home in Calgary during the winter with solar/wind power....not fucking likely.Even if the wind was always blowing and Alberta got decent sunshine you cant economically nor adequetly heat a home in Alberta in winter with electricity.....if it could be done WE would be doing it NOW.

The use of fossil fuels is not going to vanish until a viable/reliable form of energy replaces them.Yes thermal coal use is being phased out in Canada much to the detriment of the average citizen with regards to the electricity bill....and at the same time China is adding a coal fired power plant online per week whilst in Canada we get punished by respective Governments both Provincial/Federal with a "Carbon Tax".

I myself would much rather see the widespread adoption of Nuclear Power.It is cleaner than both oil/gas but of course you have the NIMBY crowd crying about the waste product.

SR
 

jammerculture

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Electrician here. Most recent project, highrise, 400 units. 190 electric vehicle chargers. The distribution for the vehicle chargers was more then double what we provided for all the units.

If electric vehicles replaced every gas powered vehicle on the road today, I'm not sure where the electricity would come from.
 

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There are new more efficient batteries on the way . And as for power to wight ration on a jet. . If the energy to run the plane is only a third the coast of jet fuel and the engine need less matanece because there is no combustion damaging parts..Then maybe we will go back to small passenger loads to acomadate larger battery storage or hybrid power sours to propel the plane.
 

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That article contradicts itself. The Spectator is comparable to Fox News or Ezra Levant's garbage.
There are hundreds of turbines here in MB, they are definitely producing energy.
I have seen hundreds in the US Midwest as well. Whoever built them didn't do it to get zero energy.
Almost every trip down south I see those huge trailers with blades on them on the interstate.
How can you say they provide zero global energy?
As was stated it's near zero when talking whole numbers and I believe it. I think that was solar and wind. But give it time and it will become much more prevalent.

...Ya the gas distributors can jack the prices all they want, the car salesman at Honda (Leaf), Tesla, Mercedes (Smart) and many others love it.
FYI, leaf is a Nissan electric vehicle, not Honda.
 

masterblaster

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There are new more efficient batteries on the way . And as for power to wight ration on a jet. . If the energy to run the plane is only a third the coast of jet fuel and the engine need less matanece because there is no combustion damaging parts..Then maybe we will go back to small passenger loads to acomadate larger battery storage or hybrid power sours to propel the plane.
Sure, warp drive like on Star Trek.
 

wetnose

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No, oil is not on its way out.
Not any time soon.
High oil prices are the only thing that makes alternatives viable.
High prices generated by limited supply.
Fracking has basically ended the supply issue for at least a few hundred years.
The US became a net oil exporter a couple years ago once they developed the technology to tap their deep shale oil deposits.
The US has 1,000 years of reserve at current consumption levels.
Canada has larger shale deposits than the US, and China has more than all of North America.
I actually see this as bad news.
The environment can't withstand another couple hundred years of burning fossil fuels.
I have no idea where you got your #s from, but no-way-no-how is US a net oil exporter.

They're a large producer but they still have to import about 3-5M barrels a day to cover their consumption needs.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTNTUS2&f=M

And the US only has 32B barrels of proven reserves - at present extraction rates of 10M a day, about 10 years of reserves.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=RCRR01NUS_1&f=A

China? Not really a big deal - that's why they're building nuclear reactors, solar capacity and coal plants because if they ever got blockaded, society would grind to a halt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves
 

overdone

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The environment can't withstand another couple hundred years of burning fossil fuels.
what the world can't withstand is more people

which is why oil isn't dying anytime soon

unless China, India, Southeast Asia, South America, Africa, start to curb their populations

you're going to have more people than the environment can handle living like fat Americans

simple math

you're deluding yourself if you think the world can produce enough so-called renewable energy to match 7+ Billion wants

we can't even do it in Canada with 35 million :amen:
 
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