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High Roller

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Instagram frank Diaz.
Phone name comes up as johnathon cortez on answering machine. I've been blocked on Instagram but would appreciate another girl that's had him scam to research Instagram to see if u can identify him.
Hi,

What we can do, as a community, is set a sting, to see if it's him - just brainstorming.
 

zachster24

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Well! Let's look at it this way. Keeping in mind the distinction between what’s legal versus what’s moral, I 100% agree that morally it is absolutely disgusting to take advantage of someone like that. But there is still a difference between 'immoral' and 'illegal'. I've looked in the Criminal Code of Canada to see if withholding payment for escort services does actually constitute rape, and because it is not 'explicitly stated in law' that this is the case, it remains a matter that's very open to debate and interpretation. Some judges might facilitate the escort winning if she tried to press charges, but some may not. Someone I know who is an escort claimed that the new laws today actually specify illegality of the matter in question, but I see no evidence. In any case, the best way to avoid this is to accept payment only in the form of cash and immediately up front, otherwise if they're going to take a gamble that's not wise (even if it doesn't justify the client’s behaviour ‘morally’), it's still a stupid decision to be that trusting of someone you don't know. But honestly, rape to me is defined as physically forcing someone to have sex resulting in emotional trauma and physical injury, and that is not what's happening. The client did not physically impose anything against the escort’s will and she still had a choice to tell him yes or no but permitted it (even if she gave it to him with a different understanding of what would happen), it's not a guaranteed win in my opinion. Plus, if payment is withheld from a service that's not legal in itself, then a negative of a negative possibly cancels out, like math. There's no answer at the end of the day, but since society leans towards protecting women in certain ways, this to me seems like a subjective argument that a woman can easily try to manipulate, as a way to take advantage of ‘being a woman’.
 
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Bang-On

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I was just perusing the site for the first time outside of the normal review sections and saw this. Pretty fucking pathetic of this low life to pull shit like this, and that you ladies gotta deal with scum like this.

I personally think that it’s in everyone’s best interest to deal with strictly cash for not only fraud purposes, but also for personal information security. I hope some of you are able to report this piece of shit (of course assuming it can be done discreetly as I can only imagine what this would be like to try to report to someone you don’t know).

Sorry to hear shit like this exists for the ladies, but good to see the support you have amongst the community. Hopefully this guy gets reported or atleast everyone can blacklist him. Ideally, someone would arrange a serious beating for this ass hole that is obviously trying to prey on newer independent women.
 

susi

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Well! Let's look at it this way. Keeping in mind the distinction between what’s legal versus what’s moral, I 100% agree that morally it is absolutely disgusting to take advantage of someone like that. But there is still a difference between 'immoral' and 'illegal'. I've looked in the Criminal Code of Canada to see if withholding payment for escort services does actually constitute rape, and because it is not 'explicitly stated in law' that this is the case, it remains a matter that's very open to debate and interpretation. Some judges might facilitate the escort winning if she tried to press charges, but some may not. Someone I know who is an escort claimed that the new laws today actually specify illegality of the matter in question, but I see no evidence. In any case, the best way to avoid this is to accept payment only in the form of cash and immediately up front, otherwise if they're going to take a gamble that's not wise (even if it doesn't justify the client’s behaviour ‘morally’), it's still a stupid decision to be that trusting of someone you don't know. But honestly, rape to me is defined as physically forcing someone to have sex resulting in emotional trauma and physical injury, and that is not what's happening. The client did not physically impose anything against the escort’s will and she still had a choice to tell him yes or no but permitted it (even if she gave it to him with a different understanding of what would happen), it's not a guaranteed win in my opinion. Plus, if payment is withheld from a service that's not legal in itself, then a negative of a negative possibly cancels out, like math. There's no answer at the end of the day, but since society leans towards protecting women in certain ways, this to me seems like a subjective argument that a woman can easily try to manipulate, as a way to take advantage of ‘being a woman’.
well, that maybe your perception.....

however, the VPD view it differently..... police have something know as discretion....in cases like this where the law is unclear about what non payment means for a sex worker....the police have discretion to apply the law in a way which is proportional and appropriate....in this case...and in any case which relates to non payment for escort services rendered..... "consent"...the defining characteristic of rape in non consent..... consent is dependent on payment....when the payment is stolen or removed or given fraudulently leading to non payment....and the services were rendered....consent is removed and thus it is rape.....

so, while reading the criminal code it may not seem like non payment, theft or fraudulent payment are grounds for a rape charge.... because of the nature of sex work and the purpose of the payment or link to the consent of the sex worker..... non payment in vancouver is viewed as rape...by the vancouver police.....

your opinion on what constitutes rape is based of course in your male perspective....how do you know she did not experience trauma? from what i read, she and others escorts DID feel trauma.....if you are saying you can only be raped if you are physically hurt...well, that's just not true....

consent is the main factor here.... since consent was based on payment for the sexual service.... when he did not pay....consent was removed and it became sexual assault....

your final comment about women taking advantage of "being women"......not sure how to feel about it....

payment as part of consent is not subjective however....no payment, no consent..... it is rape

love susie
 

Harmony-bc

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Man that really sucks. I’m so sorry to hear that happened to you.

I take email transfer but I tell them to send it before they get here and then they can give me the password when they arrive. I’m depositing the money before anything happens. It’s a shitty way to learn a lesson. In this job, trust nobody.

Susie, I love you. Bang on and awesome as usual xox
 

westwoody

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non payment in vancouver is viewed as rape...by the vancouver police.....
Agreed. Where consent is conditional upon payment, withdrawal of payment nullifies consent.

your opinion on what constitutes rape is based of course in your male perspective....how do you know she did not experience trauma? from what i read, she and others escorts DID feel trauma.....if you are saying you can only be raped if you are physically hurt...well, that's just not True
This is true as well. I can't believe he actually wrote that. Rape requires bruises and broken bones? WTF?
 

persianate

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theft is wrong & illegal, no matter if SP does it, or client does it. and in this example, the male client should be prosecuted (in an ideal world....which unfortunately does not exist, of course. sadly most thefts are unsolved.)

however, your ......elastic & ever stretching definition of consent & rape is incredibly eye-opening in all the wrong ways. and not to mention, the misandrist remark by one of the above posters. (or is sexism only sexist if done against women? my bad....)

there are countless, realistic scenarios one could think of that pokes holes in your logic....but i'll leave that to you.

EDIT: one last remark before i go: i've been observing the fucked up sociopolitical trends happening in the West. There's a lot of sad, hypocritical stuff that people are advocating in our society.....Just so you know: i hope you enjoy your chickens coming home to roost.
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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Man that really sucks. I’m so sorry to hear that happened to you.

I take email transfer but I tell them to send it before they get here and then they can give me the password when they arrive. I’m depositing the money before anything happens. It’s a shitty way to learn a lesson. In this job, trust nobody.

Susie, I love you. Bang on and awesome as usual xox
YES. My instructions for anyone that wants to pay me via e-transfer & is concerned about doing so is exactly that. Send the transfer in advance of your arrival & make the password something only you know! Then I can accept it within minutes of my arrival at his hotel or his arrival at my in call, we can relax & enjoy our time together!
 

ddcanz

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theft is wrong & illegal, no matter if SP does it, or client does it. and in this example, the male client should be prosecuted (in an ideal world....which unfortunately does not exist, of course. sadly most thefts are unsolved.)

however, your ......elastic & ever stretching definition of consent & rape is incredibly eye-opening in all the wrong ways. and not to mention, the misandrist remark by one of the above posters. (or is sexism only sexist if done against women? my bad....)

there are countless, realistic scenarios one could think of that pokes holes in your logic....but i'll leave that to you.

EDIT: one last remark before i go: i've been observing the fucked up sociopolitical trends happening in the West. There's a lot of sad, hypocritical stuff that people are advocating in our society.....Just so you know: i hope you enjoy your chickens coming home to roost.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
On the one hand in your other "Protect me please!" thread you are so worried about getting the shit end of the stick related to SPs setting you up, assault by thugs, LE intervention, sting Ops, privacy protection, US Customs, SP misrepresentation and most other assorted downers associated with this industry that you plead ignorance and beg for assistance.
And here you want to label a well known and respected long time member and women's rights advocate a misandrist? And take shots at other well respected posters?
You my friend are coming across as a fucking troll.
Again- correct me if I've misread this.
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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Well! Let's look at it this way. Keeping in mind the distinction between what’s legal versus what’s moral, I 100% agree that morally it is absolutely disgusting to take advantage of someone like that. But there is still a difference between 'immoral' and 'illegal'. I've looked in the Criminal Code of Canada to see if withholding payment for escort services does actually constitute rape, and because it is not 'explicitly stated in law' that this is the case, it remains a matter that's very open to debate and interpretation. Some judges might facilitate the escort winning if she tried to press charges, but some may not. Someone I know who is an escort claimed that the new laws today actually specify illegality of the matter in question, but I see no evidence. In any case, the best way to avoid this is to accept payment only in the form of cash and immediately up front, otherwise if they're going to take a gamble that's not wise (even if it doesn't justify the client’s behaviour ‘morally’), it's still a stupid decision to be that trusting of someone you don't know. But honestly, rape to me is defined as physically forcing someone to have sex resulting in emotional trauma and physical injury, and that is not what's happening. The client did not physically impose anything against the escort’s will and she still had a choice to tell him yes or no but permitted it (even if she gave it to him with a different understanding of what would happen), it's not a guaranteed win in my opinion. Plus, if payment is withheld from a service that's not legal in itself, then a negative of a negative possibly cancels out, like math. There's no answer at the end of the day, but since society leans towards protecting women in certain ways, this to me seems like a subjective argument that a woman can easily try to manipulate, as a way to take advantage of ‘being a woman’.
When consent is obtained through false pretenses, or in this case when the consent is conditional upon the client providing the expected compensation, there is no consent. Regardless of YOUR opinion, the Criminal Code of Canada is quite clear:

http://www.sascwr.org/files/www/res...ources_pdfs/legal/CRIMINAL_CODE_OF_CANADA.pdf

And as far as emotional trauma goes? A betrayal of trust like this DOES result in emotional trauma. Emotional trauma results in long term consequences. Companions get burnt out, or self-medicate, or leave the industry because they no longer trust their clientele not to rip them off, so it takes more & more to psyche themselves up for every appointment, they screen more & more carefully...or they quit the industry.
 
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