The Hypocritical Lieberals are at it again

storm rider

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It is all about "Tax Reform" and for those "Tax Cheats to pay their fair share.....just so long as the Lieberals are not included.



In question period on Wednesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau defended his finance minister's decision not to put tens of millions of dollars' worth of shares in his company into a blind trust before joining the federal cabinet.

Trudeau took every question, as has become convention in the House of Commons on Wednesdays, and all but a few were about the conflict of interest controversy involving Finance Minister Bill Morneau.

"When the finance minister was first elected, he clearly said that he was going to put his vast fortune into a blind trust. We learned two years later that in 2015 he had a choice between selling the shares and putting them in a blind trust, and lo and behold, he did neither," deputy Opposition leader Lisa Raitt said in the House.
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"Mr. Speaker, I want to know one specific thing. When did the prime minister learn that the minister of finance did not dispose of his shares in accordance with the ethics commissioner?" Raitt asked.

Trudeau said he knew that all his ministers discussed their financial holdings with Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner Mary Dawson and that Morneau, like other members of the Liberal cabinet, followed her advice.

Within the first 60 days of a cabinet minister's appointment they must provide a list of assets, liabilities, income and any other related financial information to the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner.

Advisers in the office then tell ministers and parliamentary secretaries what they need to do to be in compliance with the Conflict of Interest Act.

The law says ministers are not allowed to hold on to any controlled assets — those that are directly held by a public office holder. They must either sell the assets or put them in a blind trust for as long as they remain in office, or until the assets have been depleted.

Blind trusts

Blind trusts, according to the office, are legal instruments managed by a third party, which have to be at "arm's length" from the elected official. The trustee, therefore, cannot be a friend, relative spouse or dependant. The trustee is the only one with the authority to buy or sell the assets they are managing.

In November 2015, Morneau appeared on CBC News Network's Power & Politics and was asked about his assets.

"What I have personally done is, I've resigned my position as chair of the firm that I was chair of before," Morneau told host Rosemary Barton. "I expect that all my assets will go into a blind trust."

Morneau's comment can be found at the 7:20 mark in the video below, originally posted in November 2015.

Indirectly held assets

When Morneau was appointed to cabinet, he revealed his assets to the ethics commissioner, including the shares he owns in Morneau Shepell, the human resources and pension management company his father founded.

On Tuesday, Dawson said she told Morneau that he didn't need a blind trust.

"I told him that it wasn't required," she told reporters. "I took a look at what he disclosed, and according to what was disclosed, and which I do for everybody, I make a judgment as to what's necessary."

Morneau hasn't answered questions about what he did with his company shares and Dawson refused to comment on the specifics of Morneau's holdings.

Dawson said that "sometimes the asset is not directly held, and our act covers things that are directly held."

It is an important distinction.

Morneau's share ownership

According to public records, at the time of the last federal election the finance minister had more than two million common shares in Morneau Shepell that were controlled by an Alberta-based numbered company.

According to the Globe and Mail, that numbered company is almost totally owned by another Toronto-based company that is owned by Morneau. His wife, Nancy McCain, is president of the Toronto firm and is listed as a director of the Alberta firm.

The complex ownership structure of Morneau's shares meant he did not have to place them in a blind trust because he did not directly control the shares, even though he controls a company that does.

On Tuesday, Dawson told CTV's Power Play that back in 2013 she recommended the rules be changed and expanded in such a way that Morneau's companies would be required to be managed by a blind trust, but admitted she can only enforce the rules on the books.

"It's my job to fulfil the will of Parliament on what the rules are," Dawson told CTV.

In his mandate letter from Trudeau, it says that as finance minister Morneau is expected to be "fully compliant" with the Conflict of Interest Act and "uphold the highest standards of honesty and impartiality."

The letter goes on to say that Morneau's private affairs should be able to stand up to the highest level of public scrutiny, noting that "this is an obligation that is not fully discharged by simply acting within the law."

While Morneau has done nothing illegal, it is that requirement, to not only act in accordance with the law, but the spirit of the law, that has put him in the crosshairs of the opposition.

On Tuesday, Morneau wrote to Dawson saying he wants a meeting with the commissioner to ask her if he should be doing more.

"Should you determine that additional measures — such as a blind trust — would be an appropriate course of action, I would be pleased and eager to move forward on any revised recommendations you might provide," Morneau said in the letter.


At the same time the PM's Office has refused disclosure about Gerald Butt's expences....no need to know about that as a tax payer....the best friend of the PM is protected and his largesse at the trough should not be exposed.

Typical of the Lieberals which is "Do as I say and not as I do"....reminds of the Sponsorship Scandal where the Lieberals STOLE 250 MILLION in tax payer money and doled it out to party faithfull and cronies as well as spread it out into safe Lieberal ridings such as Shawinnigan which was Jean Chretiens riding....that golf course got a lot of upgrades.

Of course HARD FACTS wont win the day with regards to die hard left win Liberal supporters....the have their fucking heads in the sand much like an ostrich.

I will of course be told Harper had a "secret agenda" even though under his 3 terms(2 minorities and 1 MAJORITY) only delivered on his promises which were to abolish the national gun registry(which made legal firearm owners criminals) as well as to abolish the Wheat Control Board(thus allowing farmers the freedom to sell their product as they see fit) and a few other as well.Along the way Canadians got handed the BEST ever means of saving for retirement which is the TFSA which the current Trudeau government rolled back from $10,000 a year to $5,500.

In the 10 years under Harper as PM both as a Minority Government for 6 years and as a Majority Government for 4 years that EVIL "hidden agenda" as espoused by the Leftist Media just did not happen.In the couple of instances where Conservative backbench MP's brought forth Private Members Bills to change abortion laws in Canada they were roundly Party Whipped down by the Conservative Government.

I will concede that the Harper Conservative government made some mistakes but in general they did a pretty good job especially when it came to the financial meltdown of 2008.

As of now Canada is being lead by an incompetant twit who got elected via style over substance and he is an utter joke of a man.He is a person who can only sound coherant when he reads the script written for him and at the same time he is like a leach on the public purse as all are close to him.....tuck into the trough like pigs and feed on the tax payer money.

SR
 

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I'm not here to defend the Liberals. I'm just here to draw your attention to the viral kittens that snuck in after paragraph 4. :)
 

sybian

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I got "laid" last weekend and truth be told it was pretty lousy....stupid me for opting for backpage.That being said it is still better than being FUCKED over as a tax payer by a Lieberal Government.

SR
It's LIBERAL!........DO we need a LIAR ....I mean LAWYER to a talk with you?
Shit ...now you have me doing it...
 

jgg

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It's LIBERAL!........DO we need a LIAR ....I mean LAWYER to a talk with you?
Shit ...now you have me doing it...
Maybe I'm missing your entendre, but I think he did mean LIE-beral. Ah shit ..I don't know, let know please.
 

storm rider

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Maybe I'm missing your entendre, but I think he did mean LIE-beral. Ah shit ..I don't know, let know please.
Oh you got it right.....Lieberal as in political double speak which answers no questions.Good example is Chretien after getting 2 majorities and drops the WRIT 2 years early and says "I would LIKE to get rid of the GST" and after Chretien got another Majority Government he clarified "like" and then handed the reigns to Paul Martin who was about to get his political face smashed in over the Gomery Enquirey ove how 250 MILLION of tax payer money got funelled to LIEBERAL cronies in mostly Quebec.And not even the bagman for the Lieberals went to jail.

The most succinct and important QUESTION in the last election was not asked and that question should have been thrown at Trudeau and that question should have been "If you are elected will you SADDLE Canadians with a Carbon Tax?" Of course Trudeau would have responded with Lieberal doublespeak about "caring for the environment" etc....and if PRESSED with FACTS that Canada only produces 2% of the Worlds Green House Gasses and also that Canada's Northern Boreal Forests clean up and cycle 50% of the WORLDS Green House Gasses....Trudeau would have had a person like that frog-marched out by his handlers.....cant throw actual FACTS at the pretty shiney pony....same as the pretty shiney pony cant stand and answer for question period each day in the House Of Commons....because the entitled shithead does not have the brains or glibness to respond to hard questions...truth be told no Lieberal responds to QUESTIONS with regards to their leadership of Canada.....they shrug and give vague excuses and they double down at the trough of tax payer money like pigs.

SR
 

sybian

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You know storm I would have to agree with most of what you say.
I worked inside of the provincial government security for a short time........I was exposed indirectly to Federal Politicians, as most of my work was in Victoria.
The attitude towards the " unlimited supply of taxpayer money" was astounding to me.
Most , if not all ....had the mindset that ,if money was needed for a campaign promise, it can be wiggled out in back room deals, or stolen from another program to fund another, and with the hope the general population wouldn't notice.
The corruption was just as blatant as the greed.
I do remember thinking when listening to some of the bullshit coming from these people....." You expect me to step in front of a flying bullet for these guys?"
 

uncleg

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You know storm I would have to agree with most of what you say.
I worked inside of the provincial government security for a short time........I was exposed indirectly to Federal Politicians, as most of my work was in Victoria.
The attitude towards the " unlimited supply of taxpayer money" was astounding to me.
Most , if not all ....had the mindset that ,if money was needed for a campaign promise, it can be wiggled out in back room deals, or stolen from another program to fund another, and with the hope the general population wouldn't notice.
The corruption was just as blatant as the greed.
I do remember thinking when listening to some of the bullshit coming from these people....." You expect me to step in front of a flying bullet for these guys?"

That's why you get the vest....mind you, hopefully it wasn't bought from a political crony....
 

storm rider

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You know storm I would have to agree with most of what you say.
I worked inside of the provincial government security for a short time........I was exposed indirectly to Federal Politicians, as most of my work was in Victoria.
The attitude towards the " unlimited supply of taxpayer money" was astounding to me.
Most , if not all ....had the mindset that ,if money was needed for a campaign promise, it can be wiggled out in back room deals, or stolen from another program to fund another, and with the hope the general population wouldn't notice.
The corruption was just as blatant as the greed.
I do remember thinking when listening to some of the bullshit coming from these people....." You expect me to step in front of a flying bullet for these guys?"
See that is what sickens me the most.The sense of entitlement and it is best summed up when David Dingwall(Liberal MP) when questioned over his expenses responded "I am am entitled to my entitlements" when he ran over $400,000 for "expenses" the guy had the temerity as well as the Liberal sense of I am smarter than you so I deserve what I decide to take whatever I want attitude to defend his actions.

At the same time it was the Lieberals who brought in the SOLID GOLD MP pension plan and the current Lieberal Government wants to raise both EI and CPP contributions on the TAX PAYER because the CPP may become under funded in the future.....yet there is no worry about both the MP pension plan nor the Public Sector pension plan at all as they can just fuck over the TAX PAYER anytime they like.

Say what you like about Harper being a "control freak" with regards to the CPC caucus(when it comes down to it he laid down the rules and whipped votes according to the party line and there is nothing wrong with that) but the one thing you did not see on any regular basis was Conservative MP's feeding like pigs at the trough.Different story for the Lieberals though they consider it their god given right....it is their "entitlement" to both enrich themselves and squeeze as much as they can whilst in power.

SR
 

Elmore

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The Seattle version of perb has a section called politically incorrect where a bunch of inbred Trump supporters literally spend all day starting antagonistic threads to rile up whatever lefties are ignorant enough to wade in there.

But at least those threads are not in the general area so the majority don't need to even see the titles of moronic inflammatory retired posters who have nothing better to do.
 

garyoak99

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The Seattle version of perb has a section called politically incorrect where a bunch of inbred Trump supporters literally spend all day starting antagonistic threads to rile up whatever lefties are ignorant enough to wade in there.

But at least those threads are not in the general area so the majority don't need to even see the titles of moronic inflammatory retired posters who have nothing better to do.
I agree we need a section like this here on PERB.
 

westwoody

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That's why you get the vest....mind you, hopefully it wasn't bought from a political crony....
The Tories bought tons of crap from cronies including dodgy vests and helmets from a guy in Arnprior.

And shitty up-armouring obsolete Bobcats and Lynx's that were garbage anyway. But someone made money fucking around with them before they went to the scrapheap. Bullshit make work project for politically connected pal.
 
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