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    Social Justice warriors win again.....fuck I am sick of political correctness

    One of the organizers of a Calgary food and music festival says it’s in for a name change in response to charges of racial undertones.

    Circle the Wagons, a “travelling food, beer and music carnival,” first launched in 2014 as a collaboration between Village Brewery, YYCFoodTrucks and BassBus, is gearing up for its fourth annual festival next month.

    But when it kicks off in Currie Park in southwest Calgary on Sept. 9, co-founder Jim Button said they will first take to the stage to announce a new name after hearing from members of the Indigenous community who were concerned the term “circle the wagons” hearkens back to a painful era of North American colonialism.

    “I’m happy to change the name — I’m bummed out people took offense and I fully respect them,” Button said.

    “Through careful thought we realized that the name was offensive to certain people so we’re going to change it.”

    Jim Button of Village Brewery mugs for a photo at the brewery in Calgary, Alta., on Sunday, March 6, 2016. Lyle Aspinall / Lyle Aspinall/Postmedia Network

    The Village Brewery co-founder said the name came together innocently enough, evolving from the need to have a fenced in area to serve alcohol. The decision was made to ring the area in food trucks to comply with city bylaws.

    But Button acknowledged he began to hear rumblings of discontent about the festival’s name last year, though the idea of a rebranding wasn’t considered at the time.

    Calgary Indigenous artist and educator Lee Deranger said she stumbled across it on Facebook, still with the same “offensive” name, after hearing last year some had raised the issue with organizers. From there, it spiralled on social media — including on the event’s own social media channels — with some demanding the name be dumped.

    “I was quite surprised they were still using that name — I know that they had been asked to change it quietly and politely in the past,” she said.

    “Using a term like circle the wagons has historic triggers, especially in these days, and we need to change that in this country.”

    Deranger said the idiom evokes the image of settlers who were encroaching on ancestral lands, circling their wagons to fend off attacks from Indigenous people.

    Michelle Robinson, a Ward 10 council candidate and former president of Aboriginal Peoples Commission of Alberta, said she and a handful of others raised the issue last year but didn’t seem to make any progress.

    She said she’s pleased they’ve finally decided to recognize the problem and its effect on some people and hopes it will serve as an opportunity to further bridge the cultural gap.

    “We’re at a special time where we’re doing a lot of education about Indigenous issues — at the end of the day, nobody has been taught these things,” Robinson said.

    “Now there’s literally been a cultural shift and we’re beginning to see the fruits of that now.”

    For Deranger, she hopes in addition to the name change there will also be a public apology and acknowledgement the event is taking place on traditional lands.

    Button said organizers will do everything in their power to assuage any hurt by the festival’s name, though he noted they still need some time to change promotional materials, social media properties and even their foundation and bylaws.

    “You really do have to be thoughtful and think about what everyone’s perspective is,” he said.

    As taken from the Calgary Herald online.


    This PC bullshit is getting out of hand.Truth be told it got over the top about 15 years ago and the saddest thing is that children are being brainwashed with this crapulence in the education system.

    SR

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    I'm going to take a wild guess that you're a white male. Every anti-PC person I've ever met or read has been a white male.

    Before commencing a rant, consider the perspective of others. I don't believe in PC myself. But I do believe in empathy and treating others as THEY wish to be treated.

    At the end of the day, they can call it whatever. It's a festival with great music and food, right? Who cares what it's called.

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    Not changing the name was hurtful to some. How is changing the name hurtful to you? The people actually involved sound ok with it. Are you pissed with them for their respectful response too?

    If this is how you react to something that has no impact on you at all, I'd hate to think how you'd react to something truly important, like someone changing the menu at your favourite restaurant or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldhunter View Post
    If you actually thought, instead of just reacting with your left knee jerking, I didn't say anything was hurtful to me. I am questioning those who are overly sensitive to every perceived slight. We must all change for everyone who is offended? How many does it take to be offended before we must change? One, two, or in this case one "and a handful of others." Your handle offends me. I once knew an elder who went by that name and passed away. Please change it
    I was responding to storm rider. Your comment was added somewhere between when I started composing and when I posted. i.e. That wasn't directed at you so cool your jets.

    But since you brought it up, my point was that the offended and the ones who committed the "offence" are in agreement so it seems pretty damned absurd that uninvolved third parties such as here might be offended on behalf of those actually involved when they didn't have an objection to complying. If they agreed the number of people who agreed really doesn't matter, be it 1 or 1000.

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    ...Let me put this more succinctly: they weren't forced to change the name. Someone asked and they thought "ok". That's what the quote says: "I’m happy to change the name — I’m bummed out people took offense and I fully respect them."

    So I'm not having a "leftist knee jerk reaction". As I read it the only people currently with their knickers in a knot are the ones troubled by these guys being willing (not forced) to accommodate. Again, seems a bit absurd when you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldhunter View Post
    Actually, I find it absurd that the phrase "circle the wagons" is now considered culturally offensive.
    Sure. Bit of a shock to me too. Still both parties are cool with the change, so... :shrug:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldhunter View Post
    Actually, I find it absurd that the phrase "circle the wagons" is now considered culturally offensive.
    It's not a matter of this being culturally offensive "now". It's been offensive for a long time. You just may not be aware.

    Fewer people have been more fucked over in this country than First Nations peoples. (in another timeline they could have been Arab sheiks...meaning they'd own and control the resources under their feet...and we'd all be working for them). Instead they're one of the poorest segments of our society and have a plague of social issues to deal with.

    I'm not a left winger or social justice activist (and I am a white male...and definitely right of centre). I don't subscribe to knee-jerk political correctness, but if you've spent any time with First Nations you would learn that language is extremely important to them.

    Colloquialisms (like Circle the Wagons, or Indian Giver, or Low man on the totem pole, etc) may seem like jargon to us, but to them these phrases are rife with connotations that offend some (not all) of their people.

    Surely an inclusive music festival could have come up with a better name (I guess Last Stand was taken? ) . Regardless, we live in an age when the power of a few is amplified (through social media tools) and any business organization or society is going to have to be more mindful about language.

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    You're right Storm Rider, it is out of hand, and judging by the responses from people on this board it is only going to get worse.

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    If "circle the wagons" is offensive to the Native pop then so be it- but it seems innocuous to me.
    The term can be used in any number of defensive situations- not just when the Dallas Cowboys have "circled the wagons" and gone into a defensive shell to "hold the fort" against the Washington Redskins, who are "on the war path" with a fourth quarter comeback.
    Village Brewery better be careful - wouldn't want to get people riled up when they only want to "chug" a beer.
    It's really all in the context- anything can get spun.....depending on the special interest involved.
    Last edited by ddcanz; 08-03-2017 at 09:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yvr_hacker View Post
    Admittedly the world is full of snowflakes, but I include those who are outraged and hurt by political correctness. Is it that big of a deal someone changed a concert name before it happened? Is it that big of a deal a group of women held a "Woman Only" viewing of Wonder Woman? I think the world is an overly sensitive place, but why bother dwelling on it?

    In this case the creator of the concept admitted he was baffled at the outrage but he decided to change it. Why? Because he's a smart business man and he knows he's in business to make money NOT to take political sides. What's the other option? To end up in a controversy like what happened to Earls?

    PS. Village Brewery's Blacksmith is a fucking awesome dark beer. #Cheers.
    I agree- no big deal on this scale.
    The promoter is smart enough to move past it- he knows how to keep his bannock buttered.
    There are many other more important hills to plant your banner on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddcanz View Post
    If "circle the wagons" is offensive to the Native pop then so be it- but it seems innocuous to me
    I am sure the Romans used an equivalent phrase when their army was attacked by the Goths.

    Or the the Spartans when fighting whoever.

    Or the Brits fighting the Boers.
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    so, now what do we call the people who sell tickets outside the Rog or B.C.Place...can't call them "scalpers'

    also, what do we call what used to be Chief Justice....Main Justice?

    and if the warm weather continues into Sept. we can't call it Indian Summer any more,I guess?

    heaven forbid we might offend someone

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    ^^ I tried to make this point in my first post: does it offend others? If not, then carry on! This requires listening and respecting to their thoughts and also relies on them speaking up. If it is offensive, then use another word.

    The fact that the examples you provide are still in common use MOST LIKELY means it's not offensive.

    I'm still not sure why it bothers people to be asked NOT to use a word. Is respecting others really that hard? We're not a nation at war. We're not breeding our youth to be Spartan-like warriors to defend the country against enemies hell bent on stealing our women and precious metals. Adding a little empathy and yes, that cursed word: sensitivity, to our regimen is part of living in the 21st century of growing population and dwindling resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeG View Post
    ^^ I tried to make this point in my first post: does it offend others? If not, then carry on! This requires listening and respecting to their thoughts and also relies on them speaking up. If it is offensive, then use another word.

    The fact that the examples you provide are still in common use MOST LIKELY means it's not offensive.

    I'm still not sure why it bothers people to be asked NOT to use a word. Is respecting others really that hard? We're not a nation at war. We're not breeding our youth to be Spartan-like warriors to defend the country against enemies hell bent on stealing our women and precious metals. Adding a little empathy and yes, that cursed word: sensitivity, to our regimen is part of living in the 21st century of growing population and dwindling resources.
    Give the Social Justice Warriors the time and those words and phrases will be unacceptable and helped by the leftist media.At the same time this mantra is being brainwashed into kids via the education system.I have to go to the dentist on Saturday and I know I will see a plethora of Macleans magazines for my reading pleasure(which I will of course ignore) back when I was a kid when I went to the dentist what was on offer for reading material was "Bedtime Stories by Chester A Arthur" which was a pretty big collection of hard cover books that espoused good christian values.Cant have ANYTHING like that now....having a publication like that NOW in a dentists waiting room would result in the office being picketed for being racist or in the current PC terms being an "Islamaphobist dentist" and that is about as ridiculous as the Seinfeld episode where Jerry is labelled as an "anti dentite".

    I guess my point is that these microscopic special interest groups get far too much of a voice and the leftist media chime right in and amplify it.Give them an inch and they take a mile is a good comparison for what is going on these days.

    I myself am sick to death of it.When I was a kid the most common insult was to call someone a "fag".If after school you were playing marbles with a few friends and one of them won your best crystal boulder you called him a "fag".You and a your best friend are biking around and stop in the corner store to buy a popsicle and you shove him out of the way and dig first and score the only one that is rootbeer flavour and he gives you a punch in the arm and says "fag"....which of course meant nothing....it was just a harmless nothing meaning insult.Try that today and your instantly labelled as an intolerant homophobe who should be persecuted.

    Political Correctness has just plain gone off the fucking tracks and it is a train wreck that is making our society SUCK in general.

    Just my .02

    SR

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    Never thought I'd see the day where I'd agree (somewhat), with storm rider, but here goes - the problem is, not only are the egregious and obviously offensive names, phrases, term or images affected, but there will always be somebody offended by something.

    Even if 98% of a group isn't offended, do we cater to the 2% that is, or tell them to suck it up? Now, unfortunately, people go out of their way to play victims.
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