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BC Elections : Predictions Anyone?

Who will be in power in BC for next for years.

  • Liberals

    Votes: 49 49.0%
  • NDP

    Votes: 43 43.0%
  • Green

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
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take8easy

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Well, the question is simple. With less that two weeks to go, who do you think will be in power next.

1. Liberal
2. NDP
3. Green
4. Not Sure.

(I am trying to post this thread as a poll, I hope it works.)

T8E

Now that I have posted the thread, I wish I could post it in two parts.
1. Who you are voting for.
2. Who do you think will win.

I say that because I am voting for NDP, but I think they have not been able to have strong leadership so Liberals will get in again, I am afraid.
 

take8easy

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The title should say FOUR years, not For years. My bad.

( I should really stop watching porn and/or browsing Leolist while posting a thread. )
 

JimDandy

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Supposedly the NDP have a 10% lead on the Liberals at the moment. But in the last election the NDP had a huge lead in the polls as well and yet the Liberals managed to pull off a majority result. Don't be surprised if it happens again.

Even though I also do not like Christy, I think most people will choose the devil they know over the devil they don't know. Especially, when you consider that since she has been in power, the average BC resident has had a huge increase in personal wealth due to the rise in property values. And even though the Liberals had very little to do with that, when your feeling happy about your personal situation, it is difficult to get upset with the current government. Its like, how mad can you be at a woman who is giving you a fantastic bj at the moment lol.

JD
 

badbadboy

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Supposedly the NDP have a 10% lead on the Liberals at the moment. But in the last election the NDP had a huge lead in the polls as well and yet the Liberals managed to pull off a majority result. Don't be surprised if it happens again.

Even though I also do not like Christy, I think most people will choose the devil they know over the devil they don't know. Especially, when you consider that since she has been in power, the average BC resident has had a huge increase in personal wealth due to the rise in property values. And even though the Liberals had very little to do with that, when your feeling happy about your personal situation, it is difficult to get upset with the current government. Its like, how mad can you be at a woman who is giving you a fantastic bj at the moment lol.

JD
Usually polling is quite unreliable prior to any election with the people who really want a change responding to telemarketing polls. Silent majority will poke their heads up on election day.

Whether we like it or not, people do take note of what is happening in the USA with the orange haired dorrito pissing off people globally. You can also see it happening in France with their presidential run offs, and the Brits having an early election although with a huge Conservative lead now. I think the British election will be much closer in the final tally.

The Russians may have a hand in elections in Europe as they did in the US election. There has been many reports of fake news in France to date.

I am getting the feeling there will be a Global quantum shift in political spectrum towards the left because of the drivel coming from Trump on a daily basis plus the activity of the Russians to interfere with the political landscape.

Perhaps the same will happen in BC and maybe the NDP will form the next government? Right now, personally I feel its a toss up with neither having a serious scandal hanging around their necks.
 

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I have no idea who I'm voting for. I don't trust the NDP, but, the Liberals have become blind with greed and think they can get away with any scandal. I fear if they get re-elected, they won't even try and hide their appalling corruption. Which makes me lean towards NDP. But, they have been overly secretive with their policies, which is never good.

The Russians may have a hand in elections in Europe as they did in the US election. There has been many reports of fake news in France to date.

I am getting the feeling there will be a Global quantum shift in political spectrum towards the left because of the drivel coming from Trump on a daily basis plus the activity of the Russians to interfere with the political landscape.
My god.

First, there is no proof that the Russians intervened. The reasons no rational person should blindly believe anonymous claims of the sort — even if it is pleasing to believe such claims — should be obvious by now. If they had 100% concrete proof, they wouldn't discuss the allegations in complete vagueness and there would be a hell of a lot more transparency. It's like the "pee pee" tapes. Just because an unknown "CIA" or Anonymous "British intelligence agent" says it's for realsis, doesn't make it so.

Second, like America, Russia is a hyper capitalistic country and very right. Why would they want other countries to go left? You know they aren't Communist, right?
 

sdw

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Well, the question is simple. With less that two weeks to go, who do you think will be in power next.

1. Liberal
2. NDP
3. Green
4. Not Sure.

(I am trying to post this thread as a poll, I hope it works.)

T8E

Now that I have posted the thread, I wish I could post it in two parts.
1. Who you are voting for.
2. Who do you think will win.

I say that because I am voting for NDP, but I think they have not been able to have strong leadership so Liberals will get in again, I am afraid.
John Horgan has already demonstrated how much respect he has for women and what a champion for people he is. "I'll watch you for a while, I know you like that" http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/pamela-martin/bc-leaders-debate-sexism_b_16154250.html

The BC NDP as the National NDP has, have a leadership problem. Both Horgan and Mulcair are "tone deaf" to what people desire from their politicians and both have the habit of delivering the message they think their audience wants - even when the message is the opposite of the message they delivered to a different audience earlier that day. Dix had the same problem. That's why the BC Liberals easily won last time, and it's why the BC Liberals will easily win this time.

The problem with political polls is who performs them. If a pollster is owned and run by a member of a political party - the poll is biased towards the result the pollster desires. That bias renders the poll invalid for the purpose of predicting the election outcome.
 

badbadboy

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I have no idea who I'm voting for. I don't trust the NDP, but, the Liberals have become blind with greed and think they can get away with any scandal. I fear if they get re-elected, they won't even try and hide their appalling corruption. Which makes me lean towards NDP. But, they have been overly secretive with their policies, which is never good.



My god.

First, there is no proof that the Russians intervened. The reasons no rational person should blindly believe anonymous claims of the sort — even if it is pleasing to believe such claims — should be obvious by now. If they had 100% concrete proof, they wouldn't discuss the allegations in complete vagueness and there would be a hell of a lot more transparency. It's like the "pee pee" tapes. Just because an unknown "CIA" or Anonymous "British intelligence agent" says it's for realsis, doesn't make it so.

Second, like America, Russia is a hyper capitalistic country and very right. Why would they want other countries to go left? You know they aren't Communist, right?
My God ROLMFAO

You will of course call the following "Alt Facts" no doubt. General Hayden was interviewed stating all US security agencies had conveyed similar sentiments.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/russian-hack-report.html?_r=0

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/325250-michael-hayden-us-intel-agencies-win-big-but-russia

Russia is now a dictatorship leaving their socialist doctrine way back when Putin came to power. I would say Putin is more of a fascist than a socialist or communist.

Putin's goal was more to discredit Hillary Clinton than to sway the US to what you call Communism.
 

Cock Throppled

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John Horgan has already demonstrated how much respect he has for women and what a champion for people he is. "I'll watch you for a while, I know you like that" http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/pamela-martin/bc-leaders-debate-sexism_b_16154250.html

The BC NDP as the National NDP has, have a leadership problem. Both Horgan and Mulcair are "tone deaf" to what people desire from their politicians and both have the habit of delivering the message they think their audience wants - even when the message is the opposite of the message they delivered to a different audience earlier that day. Dix had the same problem. That's why the BC Liberals easily won last time, and it's why the BC Liberals will easily win this time.

The problem with political polls is who performs them. If a pollster is owned and run by a member of a political party - the poll is biased towards the result the pollster desires. That bias renders the poll invalid for the purpose of predicting the election outcome.
Please explain how Clark is any different?

Horgan's reference was obviously diected at her proopensity for photo ops. She's already gone through about fifty hard-hats in two weeks.

Re polling - No pollster who wants to stay in business is going to release polls that are intentionally wrong. No pollster would have any clients if they just tailored questions to please a client for a few weeks, but were ultimately proved to be inept. They lose credibility and a client.
 

burcs

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1) Who do I want to win? I want everyone to lose.
2) Who will win? Probably NDP.

You hear a lot more 'good' things in the media about NDP compared to the Liberals because media is dictated largely by those who have a lot to say (ie. social media). But at the end of the day, the older generation will still come out and vote Liberals. Having said that, there's enough voter fatigue for Christy that we should see the end of her reign. I personally think the NDP platform is garbage though.
 

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badbadboy

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Who won the debate tonight?

I'd say Weaver left the others behind as the same old same old. He had a very quick retort to both Liberals and NDP maintaining the status quo.

The question about campaign contributions to the NDP went deafeningly silent on three occasions. Horgan tried to pivot and looked quite lame saying he would put an end to big money in BC Elections all while accepting the cash. Hammering on the unions from Pittsburgh aligned with Trump again went unanswered by Horgan. He looked red faced and whooped after 60 minutes with 30 more to go. More unanswered questions about outside influences must strike a chord with people waivering between NDP and the Greens.

Christy was Christy and didn't really have much to offer other than her scripted material.

Next remaining weeks are gonna be very interesting.
 

Oldfart

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I think it would be a hoot if Joey Shithead won in Burnaby-Lougheed.

Excuse me. I should have said Green candidate Mr. Joseph Keithley.
 

thodisipagal

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On transit and transportation infrastructure, on bridge toll, on affordable housing, on education, on health care and MSP, on transparency in government, on the environment -- NDP has proposed a clear vision. Today's poll shows NDP has further widened lead by double digit margins.

My informed prediction is a minority NDP government, with Green's support.
 

PerbMod

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On transit and transportation infrastructure, on bridge toll, on affordable housing, on education, on health care and MSP, on transparency in government, on the environment -- NDP has proposed a clear vision. Today's poll shows NDP has further widened lead by double digit margins.

My informed prediction is a minority NDP government, with Green's support.
Clear vision, very unclear or outright lying on how to pay for it while keeping a balanced budget. While I do try to be impartial as a moderator here, BC politics is something I do have a hard time staying quiet about. I grew up in Saskatchewan in the 70s and 80s and saw the massive damage the NDP did to that province. I moved to BC in time for Mike Harcourt, Glen Clark, Moe Sihota and those turds and saw them wreck the BC economy. I saw the Liberals mismanage things, screw up the HST, put Christy the pinhead in charge and basically dawdle but not do any real damage. I am tired of her and her antics to be honest.

However, I am also seeing the NDP completely lie and concoct a financial platform that stinks about as much as the cow manure I spent too many summers growing up shoveling. There is no conceivable way that they will balance the books and do what they say they will. If they had the backbone of the Federal Libs and just admit they will run a deficit or two to invest in the province, I might actually give them a shot, as I do like some of their investment ideas.

But, since they choose to cover the truth up with a corporate tax increase and a re installment of the Libs short term tax surcharge on the top bracket and say those alone plus "growth" will pay the bills, they are either completely incompetent and too naive to govern, or they are lying on a massive scale. They are throwing just as much mud this time as the libs are and twisting the truth to the same degree, if not more. Horgan only won the leadership as the last man standing as they ate their young over the last defeat. He's not leadership material.

From coast to coast, every single time the NDP has gotten elected, they have left a far bigger mess than they inherited. They are fantastic in opposition, they simply cannot govern worth a shit. Ask anyone in Manitoba, where they finally got ousted, and ask the folks in Alberta how happy they are with Notley and her crew. I think the NDP will have a narrow win and when their economic policies wreck us again, we will be where they are in Alberta, regret city. One term in and then gone in four years or less but they can do a lot of damage in that time.
 

thodisipagal

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@PerbMod

I'll mostly agree with your assessment on the Alberta NDP. To be transparent, I'm an Alberta boy, spent half my life there and worked in the energy industry for years. The NDP have been a disappointment in Alberta, but I wouldn't blame them directly for the provinces woes. The same woes are happening in Sask under Brad Wall. Alberta was expected to run a 5 billion dollar deficit when the Conservatives were in power under Prentice. The province has a very hard head & continues to stupidity of relying solely on oil and gas for much of it's economy. The root cause of the misery in Alberta (and believe me, there is lots of it) is the low oil prices & that's international. Notley just doesn't understand that in a place like Alberta you've no choice but to decimate the public service, etc to keep debt under control

I've never understood the concept of running a deficit. The province needs 0 debt & it needs savings, 100's of billions of dollars of it. That way it can float itself when times are tough just like a family would.
As if families buy a house or a car without mortgage or car loan.
 

papillion

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Clear vision, very unclear or outright lying on how to pay for it while keeping a balanced budget. While I do try to be impartial as a moderator here, BC politics is something I do have a hard time staying quiet about. I grew up in Saskatchewan in the 70s and 80s and saw the massive damage the NDP did to that province. I moved to BC in time for Mike Harcourt, Glen Clark, Moe Sihota and those turds and saw them wreck the BC economy. I saw the Liberals mismanage things, screw up the HST, put Christy the pinhead in charge and basically dawdle but not do any real damage. I am tired of her and her antics to be honest.

However, I am also seeing the NDP completely lie and concoct a financial platform that stinks about as much as the cow manure I spent too many summers growing up shoveling. There is no conceivable way that they will balance the books and do what they say they will. If they had the backbone of the Federal Libs and just admit they will run a deficit or two to invest in the province, I might actually give them a shot, as I do like some of their investment ideas.

But, since they choose to cover the truth up with a corporate tax increase and a re installment of the Libs short term tax surcharge on the top bracket and say those alone plus "growth" will pay the bills, they are either completely incompetent and too naive to govern, or they are lying on a massive scale. They are throwing just as much mud this time as the libs are and twisting the truth to the same degree, if not more. Horgan only won the leadership as the last man standing as they ate their young over the last defeat. He's not leadership material.

From coast to coast, every single time the NDP has gotten elected, they have left a far bigger mess than they inherited. They are fantastic in opposition, they simply cannot govern worth a shit. Ask anyone in Manitoba, where they finally got ousted, and ask the folks in Alberta how happy they are with Notley and her crew. I think the NDP will have a narrow win and when their economic policies wreck us again, we will be where they are in Alberta, regret city. One term in and then gone in four years or less but they can do a lot of damage in that time.
You're implying the crusty clark gang is BETTER at managing the economy, that's a myth
BC is the most indebted province in the nation http://commonsensecanadian.ca/economist-thanks-liberals-bc-canadas-indebted-province/

The site c dam end up costing taxpayers billions in lost revenue http://vancouversun.com/opinion/opinion-site-c-truly-awful-economics

The LNG is one big shell game that will also cost billions http://business.financialpost.com/n...em-b-c-lng-projects-stranded-amid-global-glut

Why would any with a brain te-elect these a$$holes, they're (liberals) in it to make themmselves some coinage and a pension, they don't care about BC
 

badbadboy

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You're implying the crusty clark gang is BETTER at managing the economy, that's a myth
BC is the most indebted province in the nation http://commonsensecanadian.ca/economist-thanks-liberals-bc-canadas-indebted-province/

The site c dam end up costing taxpayers billions in lost revenue http://vancouversun.com/opinion/opinion-site-c-truly-awful-economics

The LNG is one big shell game that will also cost billions http://business.financialpost.com/n...em-b-c-lng-projects-stranded-amid-global-glut

Why would any with a brain te-elect these a$$holes, they're (liberals) in it to make themmselves some coinage and a pension, they don't care about BC
How much did we pay for those Fast Ferries? How much did we sell them for in the end?

Most useless purchase of capital equipment ever in the history of Marine transportation ever. Industry experts warned the NDP Govt of the day that they were inappropriate for use in our costal waters because by the time they got up to a speed where they would save us money on fuel; it was time to dock again.

I worked for one of the Sub Contractors during that period. Those idiots would send us an email asking for a piece of equipment be delivered to the local yard for installation. All without a purchase order or an acknowledgment of our terms and conditions. We enquired where the paperwork was about them acknowledging our prices, delivery charges ex works EU and the Net 90 day terms they indicated they needed. No reply equalled no delivery from us. It put us on their shit list but in the end they bought and paid for the equipment plus an expediting fee because they dropped the ball.

It was clear that the people in a position of authority had zero business knowledge on how to build a ship. Sure they had a few guys with MBA's and someone who worked for Ministry of Transportation but bottom line was there were no personnel with Marine Experience on their team. Typical NDP Cluster Fuck of a huge magnitude. They hired all their University buddies to do the job without caring about the real experience factor.
 

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There is, but they are a very dysfunctional minor party. The Liberals like it that way, because that means the Libs own basically the entire right and most of the centre of the political spectrum.
 

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