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    Understanding IP address

    This is for those trying to understand IP addresses. An IP address is your internet address which is much like your street address. As you all get email, you can look in the options of the incoming mail for the "originating IP" (the source IP).

    Now, how to figure it out who owns the IP address. So I used my Smart Phone and looked up my IP by going to www.ipchicken.com. The address was 207.228.78.215. So who owns this address? Well to find out you do this.

    1. Go to https://whois.arin.net
    2. In the top right hand corner you see "SEARCH Whois". You key in that IP and you are returned that it's owned by "Telus Communications in Burnaby BC".

    Now, that doesn't mean I live in Burnaby but it means Telus owns the IP so if you have a threatening person you can contact Abuse and let them know.

    Now, sometimes you'll get a strange response in whois.arin.net. For example, the PERB IP is 37.148.162.6 (according to netcraft.com). So say you run through the PERB IP in this whois.arin.net. Well you get this that it's owned by RIPE in Amsterdam. To make it simple it means the IP address is overseas. That's expected with PERB because of Bill C36 forcing their hand. BUT, if a pooner is mailing you for a session, it is unlikely he's overseas, so he's using a proxy or VPN to hide his address. This makes it more difficult for you to trace. Ask yourself, do you want to engage a potential client who is "masking" their IP. The answer is you should not.

    Questions welcome via PM's. ./staysafe

    So what should you do? If you get a questionable email with an IP assigned outs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warl0ck View Post
    if a pooner is mailing you for a session, it is unlikely he's overseas, so he's using a proxy or VPN to hide his address. This makes it more difficult for you to trace. Ask yourself, do you want to engage a potential client who is "masking" their IP. The answer is you should not.
    There are lots of reasons that people might use proxies/VPNs all the time. Torrenting being just one. The idea that the only possibility is to mask their identity from SPs is somewhat paranoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratbert_2008 View Post
    There are lots of reasons that people might use proxies/VPNs all the time. Torrenting being just one. The idea that the only possibility is to mask their identity from SPs is somewhat paranoid.
    Sure there are lots of reasons one might use a VPN. I use one in the course of my work quite frequently. I'm speaking specifically about sex worker safety though & nothing more. The whole proxy/VPN thing is oversold as a security feature. While they may not buckle to the MPAA, they will if a Fed comes calling. This is education for sex workers specifically, not a discussion of VPN or Proxies in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warl0ck View Post
    This is education for sex workers specifically, not a discussion of VPN or Proxies in general
    And we thank you for it. Of course this assumes that a serial TWOT* or would be stalker has the brains to do this. For example, my favourite time waster keeps forgetting to make sure he doesn't have his real name attached to the email addresses & Instagram accounts he uses to hassle me. It has been months, and while the phone numbers change, the IQ never does. I just hope that being told repeatedly to FUCK RIGHT OFF isn't your kink, Ryan S., because otherwise I am feeding right into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warl0ck View Post
    Sure there are lots of reasons one might use a VPN. I use one in the course of my work quite frequently. I'm speaking specifically about sex worker safety though & nothing more. The whole proxy/VPN thing is oversold as a security feature. While they may not buckle to the MPAA, they will if a Fed comes calling. This is education for sex workers specifically, not a discussion of VPN or Proxies in general
    yup there seems to be a bunch of losers who sit in their "mom's basements" and like to harass and prank call SP's all day, for years and years. It's never a good idea to answer every single text or phone call, because most of them won't materialize into a real live man with cash. Unfortunately SOME of the good guys will get thrown out with the bad apples when this happens, and they either have to keep trying or just give up. But its the nature of the business, and the stigma attached to it. Most guys don't have any respect at all for an SP and her time, even if they are decent clients, because to them its not important at all, it's just sex that they are paying for, for the SP it's her livelihood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caramel View Post
    Unfortunately SOME of the good guys will get thrown out with the bad apples when this happens, and they either have to keep trying or just give up.
    A substantial number of good guys get the stick when the SP just has had enough.

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    Just as an added note to this, if anyone has ever heard of the TOR Browser. It runs through hosting nodes and lands with an IP from another country.
    It's just a simple browser, like mozilla, etc. It has it's limits though for keeping the IP masked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdhmale View Post
    Just as an added note to this, if anyone has ever heard of the TOR Browser. It runs through hosting nodes and lands with an IP from another country.
    It's just a simple browser, like mozilla, etc. It has it's limits though for keeping the IP masked.
    The Tor Browser (The Onion Router) is just a variant of Mozilla that lets you connect to the Tor network. It can be used an as "anonymous" browser, but it's very slow. If you want privacy online you're smarter to use a paid VPN.

    The Tor Browser is actually designed as an entry path to the deep web & dark net. The dark net is where all the filth of the internet is hosted. It's a place where humans are for sale, child porn is rampant, where red rooms are common (places where you tip to torture people), etc. There are also radicalized groups who run forums and discussions down there. The idea initially was to allow people living in oppressive regimes to communicate safely.

    As a note for those who want to take a browser drive by down in the dark net. Use real caution. It can be illegal to view some of that material down there. Chatter in the hacker world is they inject malware into your browser to extract your IP. Freedom Hosting was raided in 2013 and taken down & it was apparently how they did it . Of course the answer from Virginia is "no comment".

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    Yes, I do use the Tor browser once in awhile, but not for visiting the dark world. I only use it to surf the odd, specific, innocent website just for the sole purpose of annoying the snoopy owners, haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdhmale View Post
    Yes, I do use the Tor browser once in awhile, but not for visiting the dark world. I only use it to surf the odd, specific, innocent website just for the sole purpose of annoying the snoopy owners, haha
    It's faster, but costs, to use a good VPN. And you can pick an IP you want. Honestly, you'd be smarter to use an ad blocker than Tor for things.

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    So what address blocker would you recommend?
    Often less really is more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamloopsbc View Post
    So what address blocker would you recommend?
    I think your question was intended for warlock, but I'll jump in to mention that I've been using Hola VPN. I like the price - it's free I use the Chrome extension, but other browsers are supported. And, I see they have apps for mobile devices too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamloopsbc View Post
    So what address blocker would you recommend?
    Here's a link that explores them. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/pictures...xtensions.html. My personal preference is Linux (open source OS) so I don't use an ad blocker with it. If you're not sure what Linux is, go to www.linuxmint.com. I sometimes have to use Windows as some software I have to sometimes use (Encase or MS Office for example) only run on Windows. Then It's adblock plus. The primary conduit for malware is through ads. Seen some other review boards out there (especially in Ontario). Wow, just wow.

    @NorthVan: Yes, there are lots of Free VPN services and nothing wrong with free services. The real difference between paid and free is the paid is often faster and may have a torrent channel if that's your thing. Where they are a real plus is when you use public wifi (I do not recommend this ever without a VPN). You can at least encrypt all your data as it goes out on the wire.

    People have no idea how insecure public wireless is. It's as simple as this.

    - walk into cafe
    - turn up signal strength on wireless card
    - connect to internet
    - broadcast my own SSID & have customers connect
    - use a program like wireshark to capture/read all YOUR data which is passing in my machine.

    Illegal? Oh yeah. But I've personally seen coffee shops which are compromised. I once saw a situation in downtown Vancouver where someone set up a free wireless connection in the name of a credit union. There was no credit union nearby. I assume their plan was to entice users to connect while they captured their data. After all, "bank = safe" in the minds of most people. Things might have changed but a very large dating site full of fish didn't use TLS, so you would be transmitting your password in the clear so your email/password would be stolen. If you recycle passwords..well..you're cooked. A free VPN is a great idea.

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    Thanks very much Northvan10 and Warl0ck.
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