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    hasiuk at it again!!!!Forum paints pretty picture of men who buy sex‏

    i notice he does not mention me.....at all!!!lolfollow the link for the full article.it's not as bad as some he has written.
    love susie

    http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercour...d-9fdd775d002b
    Forum paints pretty picture of men who buy sex
    SFU instructor details litany of offences perpetrated by prostitutes on johns
    Mark Hasiuk, Special to Vancouver Courier
    Published: Wednesday, November 25, 2009
    Last Monday evening, deep inside the bowels of the Vancouver Public Library's central branch at Homer and Georgia, more than 100 people packed into a modest-sized conference room for a public forum about men who buy sex, also known as johns.
    While longstanding problems in Vancouver, the issues of prostitution and human trafficking have come under increased scrutiny as the 2010 Winter Olympics draw near. A movement, led by feminist and church groups, want to help women escape the indignity, drug addiction, abuse and death endemic to the sex trade.
    But inside the library conference room last Monday, there was no such talk.
    This was the realm of legalization advocates.
    FIRST, an organization bent on removing all Criminal Code violations relating to the sex trade, staged the event and packed the speaker's list with kindred spirits.
    From a lectern at the front of the room, event emcee Scarlett Lake, the bleach blond 50-something owner of Scarlett's House escort service, introduced a familiar cast of local advocates who trumped the virtues of legalization.
    However, the evening's star attraction was Chris Atchison, a sociology instructor at Simon Fraser University and founder of John's Voice, a study of men who buy sex.
    Tall and fresh-faced, wearing a striped sweater over a collared shirt, Atchison looks more like a fraternity brother than a university instructor.
    But during a three-year period, he recruited--through online chatrooms and word of mouth--922 men for a survey and interview study on the sex trade.
    The results, he said, "shattered the mythology of the sex buyer as degenerate, violent and disease-spreading" and revealed a kind, gentle community of men looking for companionship.
    "It's not about getting off," said Atchison. "It's having someone to connect with."
    Throughout his 20-minute PowerPoint presentation, Atchison unfurled a stream of statistics and percentages gleaned from his 922 study participants.
    According to his data, only two per cent of participants told Atchison they robbed a prostitute. Additionally, a mere 1.9 per cent admitted to physical attacks, and a minuscule one per cent fessed up to a rape. (That's 9.22 confessed rapists, in case you're keeping score.)
    "But what about the other 98 per cent?" asked Atchison, with his hands held high in the air.
    Atchison's baffling logic subdued the once lively crowd. Even the hardened pro-prostitution supporters looked on quietly as his applause lines fell flat.
    He made no mention of pimps or drugs or the horror of the Pickton farm, yet detailed the litany of offences perpetrated by prostitutes on johns.
    According to his data, 18 per cent of johns had been verbally abused, 14 per cent had been robbed and four per cent had been physically assaulted by prostitutes.
    In conclusion, Atchison left onlookers to ponder one final statistic--a whopping 43 per cent of johns paid for services they never received.
    After thanking Atchison and returning to the lectern, Scarlett Lake stamped the SFU instructor with her seal of approval.

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    this was a report from the hosts of the event- FIRST- feminists for decrim-

    Hi everyone, there's been a couple requests for a report on the forum, and sorry we've been a bit slow to do that. Below are some of my impressions and hopefully others who attended can add more.

    It was a great turnout - the room was already a quarter full before 6:30, the time advertised for the doors opening. I didn't do a count but estimated about 120 people there, a full room. As this was our 3rd public forum, I think we were more comfortable and familiar with doing it, and the whole thing seemed to come off in a relaxed and efficient manner - in spite of the fact that two of our speakers could not come because they were sick - Trina Ricketts and Katrina Pacey. But replacements were quite easily arranged so it hardly seemed like a glitch at all.

    All the speakers were fantastic! They really complemented each other and built on each other. We began forum by showing the interview with Swedish sex worker Pye Jacobssen, "A Swedish sexworker on the criminalization of clients". She really says it all, and you can view it here: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D7nOh57-I8

    Next, Jody Salerno gave a compelling, heartfelt, and to-the-point talk about coming out of an abusive childhood and how all our "decriminalized" social support services failed her. But she had positive respectful experiences with her clients when she became a sex worker as an adolescent.

    Next up was Chris Atchison who delivered an amazing presentation on his "John's Voice" study. A large sample of almost 1000 clients (virtually all men) completed a detailed questionnaire and about 24 of those gave lengthy in-depth interviews. The overall message, nicely introduced by Jody and confirmed by Chris, was that the vast majority of clients are ordinary guys who care about the welfare of sex workers and are not violent or exploitive. Chris' research ably refutes the stereotypical negative views of "Johns" and reveals the human face of clients. (For more info see his webpage http://www.johnsvoice.ca/)

    Susan Davis delivered Trina's presentation on "Trade Secrets", which is a brand-new guide for sex workers (as well as clients and business associates) on all aspects of their work. Check out the new website here: http://www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com/ The information is extensive and very useful! Susan's talk focused mostly on the section dealing with clients.

    Tamara O'Doherty rounded off the panel by talking about the reasons we need decriminalization and the problems with the Swedish law.

    We then had a busy Q&A session, with lots of mostly great questions and supportive comments from the audience. There did not appear to be any abolitionists in the audience, at least none spoke up, except for one elder woman who seemed offended by prostitution in general and by our panel in particular. Another questioner seemed to think our entire effort was invalidated because we didn't happen to have an Aboriginal woman or woman of colour on this panel. This issue was very well-addressed by the panelists. Many of the other questions elicited good discussions and lots of articulate and insightful points by the panelists. I can't remember them all, but a great question at the end was "What can we do to support sex workers"?

    WorkingTV filmed the entire event and it should be up on their website within the next week to 10 days. The link will be sent out.

    Thanks everyone for coming out to the forum and for your support, and thanks to the organizers who did a fabulous job, and of course our top-notch speakers

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    It's nice to see that a non-biased jounalist like Hasiuk can write a balanced, fair and focused article....what a nazi. I've never read something as inflamed, patronizing and definitely tilted to the crusade of the feminsists and church groups. He made them and the 'dissenters' sound like the last of the rightous that are trying to save the 'victims'.....and then panned and blasted those who the majority were supporters of sex-workers, the SFU Professor who's study of 922 dudes like me....what a load of crap.

    This kind of reporting makes me sick. It incites hate, ridicules those who have an opinion, and tries it's best to colour the reader's perception with propaganda and bullshit. Also, it's poorly written and full of ennuendo. The Vancouver Courier ought to drop this asshole on his head.

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    Yep, if you don't include ignorant Church Ladies in your forums, you are only presenting a "biased" view and will be blasted by hack writers who will inject those views anyway. You still have your work cut out for you, Susie.

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    43% paid for services not received?
    Does that mean no kissing when you expected it?
    I'd love to put 8 inches up you, but I won't fold it in half even for you!

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    That article belongs in the editorial section.

    "the widely praised Swedish model of decriminalization"

    Bollocks. Citation needed on that one. Praised by radical feminists maybe. The highest praise is always reserved for the Netherlands model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlejimbigher View Post
    43% paid for services not received?
    Does that mean no kissing when you expected it?

    No it means that the SP is nowhere near what she has advertised herself as
    or hasn't bathed in a couple days or there is someone else in the room or your spidey senses flare and... rather than start a confrontational comotion which will be noisy and perhaps violent to you or your vehicle so you just leave the $$ and quicky depart.

    Been there, done that, too many times.

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    i think it represents the bait and switching too. the girls who say"i just have to go pay the driver" or "i need to get my toys from the car" and then take off with your money.

    it just goes to show how important spaces like perb are. we need a way to hold people accountable for ripping guys off. it creates an environment of mistrust and is known to cause violence against other workers.

    i really think this research will go a long way to prevent implementation of the dreaded swedish model. if we can see our industry association plans through we will be able to live in a decrim country without fear of being arrested for the way we choose to live.

    here's an interesting link;

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/26/w...lly-believe/3/

    PROSTITUTION
    Three women—a prostitute, a dominatrix and a former sex trade worker—were in a Toronto courtroom recently challenging the constitutionality and contradictory nature of laws that make prostitution legal but outlaw most everything around it, from discussing money with a client to operating or working in a brothel. Government lawyers and those representing Christian groups argued the laws protect public morals. But the lawyer for the women also made a compelling point. The current laws drive women into furtive, risky transactions in streets and alleys. Where is the morality in that?
    While the judge has yet to rule, the verdict, according to the Reid poll, is a split decision. Prostitution is morally acceptable to 56 per cent of men, but just 29 per cent of women. In Reid’s survey two years ago, only 46 per cent of men found prostitution acceptable and 25 per cent of women. While opinions on prostitution are liberalizing, men seem to favour personal freedom, whereas women are concerned by the moral implications, and the potential for exploitation.
    In a related survey, the pollster asked other questions dealing with the Ontario case. Allowing prostitutes to work indoors or in brothels won the support of half of Canadian women surveyed and 71 per cent of the men. Half of Canadians think actions surrounding prostitution should be legalized to allow adults to engage in consensual prostitution. Again there is a gender divide, with 62 per cent of men but only 40 per cent of women agreeing with the idea. While many of the arguments in the case are related to safety, the pollster notes in an analysis, “Canadian women are, at this point, not convinced that decriminalization is the solution.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlejimbigher View Post
    43% paid for services not received?
    Does that mean no kissing when you expected it?

    This may refer to the times I left saying "Keep the money just let me out of here!"

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    A positive press article!

    A female journalist from England with some common sense, referring to "Belle du Jour." Most of the readers' comments are also sensible, except for a couple of the "Well, she's still a prostitute, isn't she" sort, as if that is all that matters in judging someone.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle6926890.ece

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    Don't get mad, Get Even

    Hasiuk's article stinks but it looks like he managed to avoid any outright lies.

    If he makes a habit of this kind of writing perhaps his face should be put on a Bad Date poster stating he is no longer considered acceptable as an Adult Entertainment client. A few hundred posters around the city and his home neighborhood would be interesting.

    The poster wouldn't suggest he has ever been a client, only that he should no longer considered acceptable as a client by any adult service provider due to his false and/or misleading articles.

    It might generate some useful discussion in the press and give the other abolitionists something to think about.

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    I love that idea! If it was worded carefully, it wouldn't be illegal...and it would get press.

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    I really like that idea too! He's asking for something like that. He's written far more inflammatory articles than this one. Other articles have made me sick to read and so full of anger, I could hardly contain it. The guy is a harsh feminist-cult-groupie. And he does lie in the article when he says we support LEGALIZATION. The distinction has been explained to him MANY MANY times. The guy must be a miserable fool. I can't imagine having that kind of a life - spending all my time trying to discredit people's own voices. What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter View Post
    Still, the man has a point even if he didn't the better represented points.

    2% of respondents admitted to physically attacking women and 1% admitted rape and these are just the people who are comfortable admitting this shit. That is fucked up.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the truthful numbers in the general population are way higher than that -- not just johns. A higher percentage of all men have almost certainly physically attacked their wives or girlfriends.

    And that takes that point away completely from this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceGuy View Post
    One always has to to take the language of a newspaper (or other media) reporter with a grain of salt. And the actual words are important as words have different meanings & nuances. A scientific study probably would not use the word "Rape" but rather "Sexual Assault" which has a much broader definition.

    I would think that the interview question wasn't "Dude! Have you ever raped a woman?" The questions (and there would have been several) probably approached the concepts of "informed consent" and "legal age of consent" from several angles. The results of these queries probably showed the roughly 2% rate of "sexual assault". Some were probably out & out rapes, but others? Some were quite possibly willfully doing something that was not on the menu & subsequently objected to by the SP, be it kissing, digits, greek or whatever. No informed consent means sexual assault. From some of the language in some of the posts on this forum, this happens a surprising number of times.

    Given other studies regarding the rates at which young women claim to be sexually assaulted (I've seen rates running from a low of 10% up to one third of women), be it date rape, child molestation, etc., either a very small number of guys are doing a lot of nasty things or a lot more than 1% of men in the population at large are doing things that are defined as sexual assault.
    Excellent points, Peaceguy!

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