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Crime On Edmonton Streets - Time To Get Tough

jim

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A few weeks ago a young man was approached on the street and asked for a cigarette when he said no, he was stabbed and died. :(

Last week:

Man stabbed waiting for bus

Something as simple as having a smoke while waiting for a bus almost got a man killed.

The man was waiting at a bus shelter near 101 Street and 118 Avenue late yesterday afternoon.

Two men came up to him asking for smokes, which he gave them. Then, a third man came into the small space, and said he wanted all of the man’s belongings.

The situation turned even more dangerous when two of the suspects began stabbing the victim.

The cold weather may have played a factor in saving his life. He was wearing heavy clothing, and only suffered a minor injury.

The three men left the area after taking some of the victim's belongings. They're described as being 18-20 years old, possibly aboriginal, wearing black jackets.
I'm fed up with these hoods being seemingly able to do whatever they want on the street. Let's face it if they do get caught some bleeding hearts will say that these poor young men are: substance abusers, poor, orphans, bad home, abused yada yada and as a result will get a hug and a tap on the hand and told 'try not to do this again okay?'. :mad:


Here's what I think they should do with this waste of skin once they are caught:

Take them to a cell, tie up their arms over their heads and beat them with a nightstick all over their bodies for one minute. Then put them in a car wearing jeans and a T Shirt and drive them 1/2 way to Fort McMurray then slow down to 40 kms an hour and push them out into the ditch.

Perhaps this seems extreme? Think about how the poor guy in the bus stop will be feeling then next time a stranger approaches.

Our criminal system, calling it a justice system is a farce, isn't doing anything for our safety. Time to get tough.
 

DQ Guy

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Why slow to 40???
keep er at 120 and give them a shove..:mad:

and screw the cloths.. leave them in nothing but undershorts
 

Willingham

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Edmonton has nothing on the amazing Olympic City of Vancouver.

Last night a whole city block was blocked off. There was a protest by injection drug users about how the city of Vancouver does not help them enough.

Gimme a break. The want more funding, ,more clean facilities to go shoot up.

I live in the affluent Yaletown area, and every day I have to avoid the needles laying in the alleys and near the dumpsters. All of this activity is of course the result of petty crime. Meanwhile, the drug king-pins are being shot and killed in restaurants and on our public streets.

Welcome to beautiful Vancouver.
 

Thatotherguy

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Edmonton has nothing on the amazing Olympic City of Vancouver.

Last night a whole city block was blocked off. There was a protest by injection drug users about how the city of Vancouver does not help them enough.

Gimme a break. The want more funding, ,more clean facilities to go shoot up.
See, the whole problem with Insite (in case non-Vancouverites don't know, that's the "safe injection site" in the city) is that all of the advocates point to it as being effective at harm reduction - and they're right. What usually doesn't get mentioned, though, is that it's only truly effective at harm reduction as a part of a cohesive plan including which includes rehab and additional community policing. By itself, all it serves to do is enable users, and prevent one or two ODs.
 

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Let's face it if they do get caught some bleeding hearts will say that these poor young men are: substance abusers, poor, orphans, bad home, abused yada yada and as a result will get a hug and a tap on the hand and told 'try not to do this again okay?'. :mad:
I got mugged in downtown Edmonton once, but I felt sorry for the guy.
He was obviously a substance abusing poor orphan from an abusive bad home, but he had a 10" hunting knife and I didn't want to be just another bleeding heart.
I told him there was no need for the knife, just ask nicely and I would be happy to help you out....he said sorry, PLEASE give me all your fucking money.
Unfortunately I had no money but I didn't want to let him go empty handed so I gave him the leather hat I was wearing.
All these guys really need is a little push in the right direction....out the passenger door at 120 km/hr sounds about right. ;)
 

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Actually, InSight is a proven and effective measure in reducing drug dependancy... for heroine. Unfortunately, cocaine is the drug of choice in Vancouver.
 

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Actually, InSight is a proven and effective measure in reducing drug dependancy... for heroine. Unfortunately, cocaine is the drug of choice in Vancouver.
You better take another trip downtown. Crystal Meth has taken over in a BIG way, especially with drug entrenched youth.
 

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I got mugged in downtown Edmonton once, but I felt sorry for the guy.
He was obviously a substance abusing poor orphan from an abusive bad home, but he had a 10" hunting knife and I didn't want to be just another bleeding heart.
I told him there was no need for the knife, just ask nicely and I would be happy to help you out....he said sorry, PLEASE give me all your fucking money.
Unfortunately I had no money but I didn't want to let him go empty handed so I gave him the leather hat I was wearing.
All these guys really need is a little push in the right direction....out the passenger door at 120 km/hr sounds about right. ;)
Can anyone remember the last time you saw a cop walking downtown? Let alone driving? I'm lucky enough to spot them at pub 1905 but see them walking a beat...not happening.
 

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HAHAHA, addicts don't deserve funding, except for rehab or something to help them get off the drugs.....Has Vancouver decided that they aren't going to get clean, and maybe it's time to start ENABLING them?? What's next, drug vans to push the crack, meth, heroin at regulated rates??

Addicts don't deserve clean facilites...there are more than enough opportunities available for them to get sober, and STAY sober. But the City of Vancouver has obviously made it clear to them that it's ok to use, as long as you do it in said area.

Alberta is pretty bad. From experience, i'd say that at least 50% of addicts in Edmonton are also on AISH, which is government funding coming from my taxes. These useless pieces of flesh are using MY money to smoke some crack and live in little houses considered "half way houses" for those with mental problems, completely inhabitted by addicts.

Personally, i think that anyone that gets government funding should submit to random drug testing in order to get their funds. Things like safe injection sites are preventing addicts from getting clean, it the grand scheme of things....
Or maybe the Safe Injection Sites offer the users clean needles so they do not share and spread HIV and Hep C? It's about harm reduction my friend.
 

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See, the whole problem with Insite (in case non-Vancouverites don't know, that's the "safe injection site" in the city) is that all of the advocates point to it as being effective at harm reduction - and they're right. What usually doesn't get mentioned, though, is that it's only truly effective at harm reduction as a part of a cohesive plan including which includes rehab and additional community policing. By itself, all it serves to do is enable users, and prevent one or two ODs.
Thats a great, and often overlooked point.
I support Insite, as part of a big-picture plan. But without rehab options for these people and more involved policing in the community to reduce property crime, it misses the mark as far as cleaning up the city.
 

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The only way they'll see your point is when they're on the receiving side of the fear.
That's the reason why most kids join gangs. Alone, the majority of them are weak, spineless, scared and get picked on. Being in a gang changes the balance of power. Instilling fear in these kids just makes sure that they increase their numbers.

These kids stay in the gangs because nothing better is being offered to them. Why would they leave? Power, booze, drugs, freedom, (false) sense of family, consorting with other kids that have similar issues/backgrounds (that makes them feel, "Normal", sex? What alternatives do we have to offer them that can compete with that?

Understand that in these group, usually one psycho leads them and comes up with great ideas, like, "Hey, let's stab someone". If the followers want to remain in the gang and in the good graces of the sociopath leader, they carry out his plan. They go into the deed petrified and regardless of the false bravado that follows, they go home knowing they did something terrible. But who can they talk to without losing face or ratting out their new, "Family"?

Understand, I am not excusing their behaviour, just trying to explain it.
 

Thatotherguy

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Or maybe the Safe Injection Sites offer the users clean needles so they do not share and spread HIV and Hep C? It's about harm reduction my friend.
It's about the four pillars approach, actually. It's an approach that makes a lot of sense, but unfortunately without the other three pillars (Prevention, Treatment, and Enforcement) being properly pursued, the pillar of Harm Reduction turns into a pedestal of Enabling. OK, I'm not entirely sure if I like my metaphor there, but hopefully you get the idea.

My point is that without the other three pillars (and there's no doubt that the other three pillars aren't getting nearly enough support to be successful) safe injection sites do almost as much harm (through enabling) as they do good. The harm reduction has to lead to treatment, otherwise it's virtually useless.
 

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I believe Vigilantism will soon start becoming popular. I have been hearing more and more stories where police fail to satisfy citizens feelings of justice and I think people will start taking things into their own hands. I've heard interesting stories in smaller towns where concerns are not met despite knowledge of the perpetrators where citizens take shit into their own hands.
 

Thatotherguy

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I believe Vigilantism will soon start becoming popular. I have been hearing more and more stories where police fail to satisfy citizens feelings of justice and I think people will start taking things into their own hands. I've heard interesting stories in smaller towns where concerns are not met despite knowledge of the perpetrators where citizens take shit into their own hands.
There's no justice like angry mob justice! Seriously though, pretty much the only way anyone will get justice under Canada's criminal system is by taking the law into their own hands. It's pathetic.
 

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I agree about forcing addicts to clean themselves up. Rather than toss them in jail, why not force them to go clean? Instead of prison, how about 6 months in rehab until they get on their feet ?
You can cure the physical addiction, but the reason why people relapse is the psychological addiction. Only a willing patient will address that.
 

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Addicts who do not want to, will not work the program. Rehab is more expensive than prison, and more often than not, they'll go right back to drugs upon being released. You can't imprison someone at rehab, it goes against the general belief of sobriety. Now, enhancing prison security to prevent incoming drugs and offering help groups, sponsors and the Big Book would be far more beneficial.
What society need to do is like what the parents did for the movie Trainspotting. Just lock the addict up, have plenty of food/water/sanitation/etc and force them to quit cold turkey. Seems cruel, but it's for their own good.
 

bcneil

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People in Vancouver get what they deserve.

About 2 years back I was waiting for the skytrain at the Burrard station.
With 2 buddies, I went to sit on the bench, my friends were standing a little ways over.

A couple teens maybe 14 came over to me, one pulled out a screwdriver, and wanted my cash. This was really crazy, cause I am a huge guy.
My friends see this and come running over. These kids change their mind, and try to run away. My buddy kicks the one kids feet from under him as he tries to run. He falls and goes sliding. Two soccer mom types start screaming at us to leave the kids alone. Then one of the soccer moms husbands comes and gets in front of us. Giving the kids the chance to run away. We then had the police called on us.

Basically my friend moreless tripped a kid, while he was trying to rob me, and we all have to spend an hour with the police.
 

jim

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People in Vancouver get what they deserve.

About 2 years back I was waiting for the skytrain at the Burrard station.
With 2 buddies, I went to sit on the bench, my friends were standing a little ways over.

A couple teens maybe 14 came over to me, one pulled out a screwdriver, and wanted my cash. This was really crazy, cause I am a huge guy.
My friends see this and come running over. These kids change their mind, and try to run away. My buddy kicks the one kids feet from under him as he tries to run. He falls and goes sliding. Two soccer mom types start screaming at us to leave the kids alone. Then one of the soccer moms husbands comes and gets in front of us. Giving the kids the chance to run away. We then had the police called on us.

Basically my friend moreless tripped a kid, while he was trying to rob me, and we all have to spend an hour with the police.
That is more scary than the actual crime. How defending yourself can result in you being held up while the scum get away. The good thing about someone coming at you with a weapon is that deadly force as a defense becomes an option. Of course you can't pull a gun on a guy who pulled a screwdriver on you, but if in the course of disarming him you crush his larynx or break his elbow, snap his wrist you'll be ok :cool:
 

bcneil

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That is more scary than the actual crime. How defending yourself can result in you being held up while the scum get away. The good thing about someone coming at you with a weapon is that deadly force as a defense becomes an option. Of course you can't pull a gun on a guy who pulled a screwdriver on you, but if in the course of disarming him you crush his larynx or break his elbow, snap his wrist you'll be ok :cool:
Well I don't think we had any intention of hurting these kids at all.

It was just very frustrating, the same people who, well helped the kids get away, and called the police on us. Seemed the type that would bitch the most about teenagers doing crime. My friends and I were on the way home from work, all of us in nice suits, hardly out looking to beat up on kids for no reason. I still remember one of the ladies calling me a bully :rolleyes:
 
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