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susi

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sorry, here's the rest;


Design a complaints process and penalty system in partnership with all stakeholders to provide a system of self governance and enforcement for the sex industry.


Relevance

Sex Industry Workers

• Sex workers have never had a way to report unethical business owners or dangerous business practices. A balanced system of investigation and penalty would begin to stabilize the health and safety of sex industry workers and eliminate the increasing number of dangerous working environments emerging as a result of our industry being pushed further and further underground.

Sex Industry Business Owners

• Sex Industry business owners have also never had a way to complain about industry workers who take advantage of their good business practices or steal clients. This would allow these problems to also face due process and protect business owners from these types of behaviors.
• Business owners would also be able to protect themselves from industry workers making false allegations about their business practices.
• A process of self governance and enforcement would take these issues out of the hands of the greater community and prevent decisions being made by an outside party with no understanding of our history and traditions. This would mean the police, license inspectors and “end the sex industry” groups would no longer have the power to completely disrupt our lively hoods and jeopardize our safety.

Sex Industry Consumers

• Sex industry consumers have never been able to lodge complaints about bad service or business practices except in the on-line forums where “service providers” are reviewed. Offences like being robbed or noticing a worker appears to be too young are difficult to report due to the stigma and close scrutiny an investigation can bring on the consumer himself.
• A community based process which ensures the confidentiality of complainants will allow this process to work without harming peoples personal lives and stability.

Greater Community outside of Sex Industry

• The greater community has always felt the need to carry the burden of policing our industry. Through this confidential, community based process this will no longer be necessary. Businesses that go beyond what is reasonable (marketing youth, trafficking persons) can be identified and prosecuted without causing widespread de-stabilization of the entire industry.

Support the formation of craft unions or trade guilds for all aspects or jobs within the sex industry.


• The Sex Industry is as diverse as the people who engage in it and encompasses more that actual one on one physical contact sex work. There are many job choices within actual sex work and there are also all of the support positions. This is an Industry and all employees’ health, safety, and job security are important. Once the industry is stabilized and self governing different craft or trade guilds could form to support issues specific to different sex industry workers and businesses.



Establish a system of communications between the sex industry and those agencies who have traditionally had the role of policing or monitoring the industry such as the police, license inspectors and social work/ support agencies to prevent misunderstandings about safety issues within the industry.


These agencies have taken action against the sex industry with disastrous effects in the past. A system through which these actions can be vetted by or scrutinized by the industry itself is necessary to prevent these problems repeating themselves in the future. The lived experiences of sex industry workers, consumers and business owners are key to actions that will have meaningful and sustainable impacts on the safety of the entire community.

anyway, i hope this make some sense.please feel free to contact me with any questions and i would welcome all input in this regard, we all have to agree to make this thing work.

please share any thoughts you may have, i don't pretend to have all the answers and would welcome any help at all in this context.

we have started the occupational health and safety training development but have been stalled by lack of funding. we should be back on course in september, victim services have agreed to kick in some loot. i will try to keep people up to date on what's up. it's kinda crazy working and then working!

i remember one morning i had to go to a breakfast meeting at the mayors office and meet the governor general of canada-sexy michelle! i had no money but of course the "hooker god" intervened and sent me 2 young men to play with. we did the nasty and then i got them to drive me to city hall!!
so from one extreme to the other, full on double fucked and then good morning your majesty!!:p
once again, please let me know if this sucks or you like it or anything at all

susieXXXO
 

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i remember one morning i had to go to a breakfast meeting at the mayors office and meet the governor general of canada-sexy michelle! i had no money but of course the "hooker god" intervened and sent me 2 young men to play with. we did the nasty and then i got them to drive me to city hall!!
so from one extreme to the other, full on double fucked and then good morning your majesty!!:p
once again, please let me know if this sucks or you like it or anything at all

susieXXXO
LOL right on! Kudos to you for all of your hard work.... :D
 

HankQuinlan

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It is a shame ...

that it is even an issue.

I understand the opposition of deluded christians and their influence on our current federal government. They think that they can eliminate drug use, too, and can be discounted as nutballs.

What puzzles me most are the groups of "ex-sex workers" and even safe-house/rape crisis center workers who completely oppose steps towards legalization. Here is a link to the Victoria section regarding an excellent letter (by Violet) to the Victoria newpaper in response to a letter from just such a person.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=91775&highlight=violet

These people still believe, apparently, that prostitition can be eliminated "if we all work together," and that every act of prostitution is an act of violence against women.

If they are right, the only sex I get is by committing violence, and I am a contributor to one of our society`s great evils.
 

susi

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that it is even an issue.

I understand the opposition of deluded christians and their influence on our current federal government. They think that they can eliminate drug use, too, and can be discounted as nutballs.

What puzzles me most are the groups of "ex-sex workers" and even safe-house/rape crisis center workers who completely oppose steps towards legalization. Here is a link to the Victoria section regarding an excellent letter (by Violet) to the Victoria newpaper in response to a letter from just such a person.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=91775&highlight=violet

These people still believe, apparently, that prostitition can be eliminated "if we all work together," and that every act of prostitution is an act of violence against women.

If they are right, the only sex I get is by committing violence, and I am a contributor to one of our society`s great evils.
you are so right!
the rape crisis people are promoting the hatred of men in my opinion and i believe they should be shut down for human rights violations, promoting hatred of any kind is illegal.

the ex sex workers seem to have been brain washed and forgotten what it was like to need some where to work or to have a good time with a client. also a lot of the services/crisis centers are women specific and so the sex worker has to say whatever they want to hear to access support.

the real extreme ones are not government funded and it seems they use these media tactics to raise money and keep going. they fear monger and twist the truth, also a human rights violation, to make money. they claim to be volunteer run but you can bet the executive director is making at least 70K a year.

they attack me every where i go, at conferences, in the paper, personally with political people... it`s insane. i call them the femi-nazis or the fun police:eek:
 

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regarding stigmatism

"...full on double fucked and then good morning your majesty!"
lol.
I can relate to that situation. Believe it or not pooners, this kind of banter is every day hooker talk...

How can service providers as a group and as individuals shed the social stigmatism of society?

Im noticing more all the time that the general population in general believe many caricaturized notions of what a prostitute's integrity, or lack there of, is all about.

Is there a way to make them see the fallicy in their attitudes?

xoxox,
jxxx
 

susi

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prostitution is legal in canada
and what are the city licensed places...?
legal brothels

the coop brothel is about the girls in the east end specifically- they need somewhere to work, so they aren't killed or hurt as often. it's so classist that the more beautiful, younger,etc. workers are deemed worthy of safety at work but the workers on the street are not. no one expects a business owner to hire a street entrenched worker but the fact remains that they work and make money and deserve safety.

the industry association hoped to stabilize the safe work environments that still exist

not only for the safety of workers, but consumers as well.

you may be right, perhaps it's a waste of time but i don't have children and really have nothing to loose so i think i for one will keep trying.

i'm involved in both charter challenges and they tell me we will be done in court in 2017- so i'll give it til then.

some one has to try
 
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I personally do not see East End girls who work on the street, But I for one would love to see them in a safe enviroment where they can work from.

How about locating a decent size building or 2 that are kept up well and placed in there to work out of.

That would keep them of the streets and in that senario, they can be monitored or guarded sort of speak.

Safety for these girls should be high on the list.

whatever society thinks or feels.....this is an industry that will not dissipate but continue on.
these girls are people like anyone else and should be dealt with.

I'm not aware of the politics involved about this, but thats my 2 cents worth.
 
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