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There at it again.
Sometimes its real hard to not feel a bit of animosity towards the Muslim's if some of them are going to be turing to needless and cowardly violence.

From what I read I don't know if these guys were of the Muslim faith but their nationality was Asian. I think we need to be careful so as not to automatically blame every terrorist event on Muslims. And even if they were Muslims you can’t lump everyone of the Muslim faith into one group, feeling animosity towards all because of the actions of a few.
 

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From what I read I don't know if these guys were of the Muslim faith but their nationality was Asian. I think we need to be careful so as not to automatically blame every terrorist event on Muslims. And even if they were Muslims you can’t lump everyone of the Muslim faith into one group, feeling animosity towards all because of the actions of a few.
I fuck your right. I think I'm beginning to develope a racist attitude, which is something I thought I was above.
 

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those are not Asians...... There are middle Eastern....

fucking media call them asian but for me asians people are Jap, Chinese, Korea, Vietnamese, Lao, Thai..... I dont consider them asian.....

It will be fucking funny to see a real asian becoming a sucidie bomb..... Just like that korea shooter dude in Virgina Tech.... That is just one fucking mental illness asian dude I ever seen in the news...... :D

Middle EAstern are the one with long bread and wear a turban..... LOL

And the asian are not dumb enough to become sucidie bombers...

Those arabic (extreme islamic) or whatever HOLY JIHAD GOD SHIT are fuck in the HEAD. I called them MENTAL ILLNESS......
 

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If you feel that way, how do you think they feel when the Western world comes in and bombs the shit out of their country, family, and fellow citizens?

You think you're feeling animosity???
Let me answer this question for you........

Western worlds bomb many country... VIETNAM, JAPAN, KOREA and do you see these asians become sucidie bombers?

IF the world goes in and bomb china or vietnam from communisms I dont' think these asian will become sucidie bombers because they understand what is right/wrong.......communism is wrong and dictorship is wrong......
People should be FREE, human right, and the right to VOTE, PROTEST, RELIGON, etc..



war is a bad thing but either they die or we die....... pick one........
 

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Let me answer this question for you........

Western worlds bomb many country... VIETNAM, JAPAN, KOREA and do you see these asians become sucidie bombers?
I guess you never heard of the Japanese Kamikazes pilots of WWII. Or in the Vietnam war, the Viet Cong sympathizers who exploded them selves up amidst American troops.
I dont' think these asian will become sucidie bombers because they understand what is right/wrong
Asians would never do a suicide bombing because they know right from wrong, which obviously insinuates that Middle Eastern people don’t. I think this is dangerous thinking. Were right, your wrong, us against them. This kind of intolerance and lack of understanding is what leads to terrorist attacks and wars in the first place.
 

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Oh shit, I fell like such a racist pig.:eek:

I automatically assumed they were Muslim's and now the news is reporting it was Asians.
 

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Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. are often referred to here as "East Asians".

East Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, etc. are South Asians.

When Brits refer to "Asians", they generally mean South Asians. They refer to East Asians as "Orientals".

Most Muslims in the UK are Pakistani or were born in the UK of Pakistani parents. Virtually all those arrested after the London bombings two years ago fell into this category. It is likely that those involved in the current incidents did too. Those Brits who do not use racist terms to describe them would probably call them Asians.
 

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This kind of intolerance and lack of understanding is what leads to terrorist attacks and wars in the first place.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
 

Fudd

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Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. are often referred to here as "East Asians".

East Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, etc. are South Asians.

When Brits refer to "Asians", they generally mean South Asians. They refer to East Asians as "Orientals".

Most Muslims in the UK are Pakistani or were born in the UK of Pakistani parents. Virtually all those arrested after the London bombings two years ago fell into this category. It is likely that those involved in the current incidents did too. Those Brits who do not use racist terms to describe them would probably call them Asians.
I think I'll just refer to them as "misguided individuals" and leave any reference to race out.
 

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technically, asia is a continent which includes countries commonly known as middle east. primary school geography if i recall - asia, europe, americas, australia, africa, artic and antartica.
 

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Well, well, believe it or not, the British / Scottish bombers were Islamic! I'm sure it must have come as a shock to those who were convinced it must have been the Knights Templar or the Scottish Council for the Legalization of Sheep Shagging or some such, but it's true!

And, what's even more surprising is that it's not "ignorant misguided impoverished youth." It's bonafide brilliant folks, well educated, and well to do! Well, this just doesn't fit with any of our leftist stereotypes...we can't blame poverty, or ignorance, or racism...why, all that's left to blame is Islam. But we all know it's a religion of peace, right?

Now, just to paraphrase an old Star Trek episode, a lot of Islamic apologists must be saying: "Does not compute. Does not compute. *sputter* *fizzle* Does not com...*clack*"

The truth of the matter is, Islam is a disgusting regressive ideology that seeks to put mankind under the same kind of totalitarian yoke as fascism and communism once did. We need to stop worrying about offending good totalitarians lest they turn into bad totalitarians; we need to start worrying about totalitarianism itself.
 

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why, all that's left to blame is Islam
Of course, it's got nothing to do with invading Muslim lands under false pretences, bringing death and destruction to hundreds of thousands.
And the fuckers won't throw flowers and dance in the streets, the ungrateful wretches. It must be their religion...
 

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The reason they hate us because we're not like them. Islam by its root nature hates anyone who is not Islamic. They even have a name for us infidels. In fact, Islam is so fixated on the "other," like Eskimos with snow, that it has several different names for the other, depending upon the status of the other in relation to Islamic society.

Yes, Christianity is also evangelical, and in fact once upon a time it / we behaved in roughly the same way. But there are two obvious answers to that critique: 1) We are not in the 12th century and weapons are significantly more dangerous today, and 2) Christianity at it's root, treats heretical belief with forgiveness. By the latter, I mean that in spite of what organized religion may have done in the past, Christianity, at its root belief demands forgiveness. Islam is radically different, explicitly calling for death and dismemberment right there in the Koran. Nowhere in the New Testament can this sort of rhetoric be found. To clarify,I'm not criticizing the millions of law abiding Muslims whose faith appears to have been hijacked by a violent group of extremists.

Radical Islamists hate the fact that we have a choice regarding religion. Our freedom to disagree with them is also part of what they hate.
 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6267194.stm

All suspects turn out to be muslim as everyone with half a brain had expected:


Militant Islam's broad appeal
By Magdi Abdelhadi
BBC Arab affairs analyst



The news that many of the suspects in the failed car bomb attacks in Britain are medical doctors from the Middle East has shocked many and raised questions about connections between class, education and militant Islam.
There is a popular misperception that only the destitute or ill-educated are drawn to the ranks of militant Islamic organisations.

But nothing could be further from the known facts.

It is true that the appeal of political Islam - from the militant to the more moderate versions - is quite strong among the poor, because it promises a just and equitable society free from corruption and oppression.

But the leaders and the middle echelons of such groups are often well-educated middle class men.

The 19 young men behind the 9/11 attacks on Washington and New York six years ago were middle class university graduates or students.

Not to mention, of course, the leader of al-Qaeda himself, Osama Bin Laden, the son of a Saudi billionaire, and his second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian-trained doctor from a very well-known and respected middle class family in Cairo.

Many of the leaders of Palestinian Islamist groups, such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad, are either medical doctors, engineers or university professors.

And the oldest and most influential movement of political Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, whose doctrine is blamed for the mushrooming militant groups across the world, is largely an organisation of middle class professionals.

Islamic 'utopia'

Islamist groups are not only transnational in ambition, with members who do not recognise national boundaries, but they also have a wider appeal across the class barrier.

The lure of an Islamic utopia, where justice and virtue prevail according to a puritanical version of Islam, is too strong to resist for rich and poor alike. For many it is an end that justifies any means.


Some believe that their 'Islamic utopia' is not only an answer to the problems of their own societies, but for the entire world


It is an idea that has an enormous appeal for the masses in Middle Eastern states lacking in freedom, social justice and the promise of a fulfilling existence.
It is particularly attractive for young idealists who want to make the world a better place.

While far-left groups during the 1960s and 70s (such as Bader-Meinhof in Germany and the Red Brigades in Italy) justified violence on the grounds they were battling an evil capitalist order, young Islamist militants feel justified in their jihad against what they see as an immoral and oppressive world order.

The lawyers, the engineers, the doctors and the students who once led the struggle for national liberation against colonial powers are again the standard-bearers of a movement that claims to have a cure for all the ills of their societies.

However, some Islamists are more ambitious and believe that their "Islamic utopia" is not only an answer to the problems of their own societies, but for the entire world, including the "decadent West".

Ironically, their global ambition has become all the more visible because of the very global forces they wish to vanquish, including of course America's global "war on terror".

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6267194.stm
 

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Of course, it's got nothing to do with invading Muslim lands under false pretences, bringing death and destruction to hundreds of thousands.
And the fuckers won't throw flowers and dance in the streets, the ungrateful wretches. It must be their religion...
It is the religion! Here are a few excerpts I had used for a paper I wrote a long time ago:


Quran 9:80
Whether you ask forgiveness for them, or you don't, even if you ask forgiveness for them 70 times Allah will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and Allah doesn't guide wicked people.

Quran 9:5
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Quran 9:39
If you do not go to war, He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. You cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things.

Quran 9:113
It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire.

Quran 5:33
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

Quran 2:216
Warfare is ordained for you, even if you don't like it; but it may happen that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

Quran 8:39
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.

Quran 4:74
Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

Quran 8:65
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

Quran 8:67
It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Quran 9:123
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

Quran 2:244
Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower.

Quran 2:193
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

Quran 4:89
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

Quran 2:191
Slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Quran 3:85
He that chooses a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the next life he will among the losers.


Quran 9:29
Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

Quran 9:41
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and with your persons. This will be best for you, if you but knew.

Quran 9:73
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home, and evil fate.

Quran 9:111
Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Quran. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

Quran 7:179
And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones.
 

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It's not the religion

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/03/london.investigation/index.html

This article clearly states, 'terror suspects have al Qaeda links', US officials say, (we all know the US government wouldn't lie to us to justify their goals but thats another subject). Let’s get this straight, Al Qaeda are Islamist militants. Their belief is an extreme and twisted version of what Islam is. Al Qaeda interprets and twist passages in a way that suites their needs and justifies their stance.

As for the quotes from the Quran. Sure if you cherry picked quotes you can make it seem really evil, but I can cherry pick some quotes from the Bible too that would make it seem that all Christians are following some evil perverted doctrine. :cool:
 

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